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Expectations - 9/6/2006 4:05:47 AM   
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The following is being posted in conjunction to a similar thread begun by MisPandora in the Ask the Mistress forum. I would greatly appreciate feedback from all factions, both dominant, switch, and submissive persons.

"Meeting and exceeding customer expectations" is something you see splattered all over big business today. Moreover, the emphasis on quality systems is balancing customer perceptions and customer expectations to ensure that you're delivering the most useful item or service for your client base. From the Disney Corporation to some of the world's top airlines, taking the time to understand the needs and expectations of a customer (a recipient of a service) is the key element to success.

I've recently taken a look at why I've been being failed, and in all fairness, some of these realizations have come down to a failure to be realistic in my expectations, and to adequately communicate them.

That being said, please offer your commentary on the following: 

What are your perceptions of service?  

What are your expectations of a submissive/slave or Dominant? 

How have you come to realize these expectations and perceptions?  (Did they come from experience, from things someone told you, from an internet site, or by having negative experiences and not wanting to repeat them again?) 

How do you communicate (or not communicate) your expectations

How do you feel your expectations are met?  How have they failed? 

I look forward to reading your responses. Thank you in advance.

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RE: Expectations - 9/6/2006 5:26:40 AM   
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Oh my that's a big question (or several of them) and I have to be at work in an hour. But....to somewhat quickly answer...

I TRY not to have expectations. I find that having them usually results in disappointment and a failure to enjoy or appreciate what I do have, but I don't always succeed and I have been disappointed.

Primarily my expectations were of an emotional nature. I expected grown, responsible adults to be more aware and concerned and take more care of the emotional needs of a newbie. My expectations were based on my own thinking and the way I deal with anyone faced with a lot of new information and new experiences. Basically I expected others to behave the way I would.

I communicate in as forthright a manner as I know how to. Sometimes on the other side it's still not understood. It takes a willingness to "hear" what's being said.




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RE: Expectations - 9/6/2006 5:48:37 AM   
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Heavy questions indeed.  My answers will likely be a mix of real world practicality and a little bit of my view on the BDSM world.  Most of my experience is currently with the former.

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"Meeting and exceeding customer expectations" is something you see splattered all over big business today. Moreover, the emphasis on quality systems is balancing customer perceptions and customer expectations to ensure that you're delivering the most useful item or service for your client base. From the Disney Corporation to some of the world's top airlines, taking the time to understand the needs and expectations of a customer (a recipient of a service) is the key element to success.

It /would/ be if they actually cared.  If companies actually gave a rip about customer expectations and service, they wouldn't put out shoddy merchandise or pass an irate customer from hand to hand until the poor person is ready to kill someone.  My opinion of big business is poor indeed.

I've recently taken a look at why I've been being failed, and in all fairness, some of these realizations have come down to a failure to be realistic in my expectations, and to adequately communicate them.

That being said, please offer your commentary on the following: 

What are your perceptions of service?  

SERVICE is when you provide for the needs and wants of your customer.  Good service involves finding out what they want and how they want it - then you bend over backward to give it to them just like that.  With a good attitude.  You do everything in your power to not only satisfy them, but do such a good job that you 'make their day'.  There should be a smile on their face by the time you are finished.

What are your expectations of a submissive/slave or Dominant? 

Ah, here I'm not so sure.  I've never had a Dominant.  However, here are my initial thoughts on the subject.  I would expect emotional maturity and the actual desire to handle their responsibilities.  I would expect them to actually be concerned with the well-being of the submissive who has agreed to submit to them.  I would expect them to be firm - but also to be a listener, and a compromiser when necessary.  They should be able to discern when it's time to be firm and when a shoulder to lean on is needed.  In other words, they should be an example of a good human-being.

How have you come to realize these expectations and perceptions?  (Did they come from experience, from things someone told you, from an internet site, or by having negative experiences and not wanting to repeat them again?) 

The above is a combination of what I have read and my own thoughts.  If I can't rely on someone, I'm sure as hell not going to submit to them.  If I'm going to be in a close relationship with someone, it would be best if I got along well with them.

How do you communicate (or not communicate) your expectations

I communicate my expectations with some difficulty, I admit.  Most of the Doms on CM just contact you out of the blue and (the majority of them) aren't so good at striking up conversation.  If all they talk about is BDSM... then I don't actually KNOW them.  Nothing is likely to happen relationship-wise from just that.  It's hard to seriously discuss things when you don't even know the person you're trying to converse with.

How do you feel your expectations are met?  How have they failed? 

I haven't had them met as of yet.  I'm assuming this is just because the right person hasn't been met.  I'm not going to settle for someone with whom I am not comfortable.  If I can't respect them, it's just not happening.


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RE: Expectations - 9/6/2006 5:59:29 AM   
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What are your perceptions of service?  

service is just that...placing His needs, wants and desires ahead of mine.  The beauty of D/s is that i get fed by doing this.

What are your expectations of a submissive/slave or Dominant? 

Expectations are a set up. Knowing what i want and need stem from  communication regarding wishes, needs and desires should work to determine compatibility.  A lack of compatibility is a recipe for terminal dissatisfaction.

How have you come to realize these expectations and perceptions?  (Did they come from experience, from things someone told you, from an internet site, or by having negative experiences and not wanting to repeat them again?) 

A little of all the above but the most significant teaching tool seems always to be experience.

How do you communicate (or not communicate) your expectations

Lots of talking. Is there any other way?

How do you feel your expectations are met?  How have they failed? 

I read this once and i think it sums it up perfectly for me, ' my serenity is inversely proportional to my level of expectation and directly proportional to my level of acceptance.'



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RE: Expectations - 9/6/2006 6:17:59 AM   
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Wow - big topic!

As a Domme (I'm still very new to that role) I often feel that expectation management is a big part of my job.  Whenever I start a conversation with someone, I do my best to lower their expectations.  We are not going to fulfill your fantasies, we are not going to explore the depths of your psyche.  We are certainly not going to solve any emotional voids you feel.

However, as a minimum standard, I expect the sub to understand that the relationship will be about my pleasure, not his.  I try to find someone who will enjoy pleasing me in the way that I wish to be served, but I do expect them to accept that I make the decision. 

There are "subs" out there who claim they want to serve, then proceed to tell you precisely how they will be serving and not serving and won't agree to any deviation from those terms.  I'm not talking limits, I'm talking about "subs" who expect to control the scene.  That doesn't work for me.

I think my expectations for subs comes mainly from my own experience as a sub.  I did things that I didn't necessarily enjoy the acutal activity, but in a way I actually got more from doing those than the things I did enjoy.  When you're doing something that you don't want to do and your Dom/me does, then you know you are really serving their pleasure, truly submitting to them.  And those moments are what it is all about.

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RE: Expectations - 9/6/2006 6:26:24 AM   
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taking the time to understand the needs and expectations of a customer (a recipient of a service) is the key element to success.

Before I answer, or attempt to give my opinions on the qustions below, I wanted to comment on the above phrase ...
taking the time - it is jmho that herein lies the key to so many things, not just in the bdsm world, but in all of life.  We have become a world in a hurry - from fast food to "speed dating", drive through coffee to drive through wedding chappels we have become spoiled and want everything instantly, now, sooner, quicker and that is not always better.  Can you remember when you took photographs on vacation, waited until you got hom, took them to a real photo place, waited a week for them to come back and thought that was good service?  Now we use digital cameras with instant playback so we can see a photo a mere second or two after we take it.  It seems to me that many of us want that same "instant - nes" in our relationships.  You can open a jar of pasta suace and have a good dinner, but isn't that freshly made, slow cooked, simmered for hours sauce gramma used to make so very much better?  Taking the time to understand not only the needs of your partner, or potential partner, but also of yourself means you will not have a instant relationship, but the trade off in taking your time will be that you will ahve more time to take with the right person.
 
 

What are your perceptions of service?  
As a submissive to my Daddy, Argent, I understand that my service to him is made up of many components.  There are the simple, everyday rules and rituals that he gave me and I follow.  Whether he is present when I do each thing is not important, that I am doing as he has bid me do, is.  My service to others, whether directed by him or just because I see something and know I should do it, is also service to him.  Each thing I do reflects on him, therefore if I am of service to others (bdsm or 'nilla), it reflects well on him.  Every task I do at home, whether specifically directed by him or just an everyday chore is done in service to him so that he has a pleasant home to come home to after work, so he is comfortable, so his life is more pleasant and he is more comfortable.  I see my whole life as my service to Argent in one way or another.  This sounds kind of "polyannaish" but as our Ds has grown and changed and deepened over the years, I seem to have relaxed into a feeling of something deeper than I would have imagined.
 
As a "switch/top/Domme" I pretty much expect a boy in service to me to always put my needs/desires/wishes above his, to obey because he wants to and not out of fear of any punishment, and to allow me to help him find and then exceede his limits in all areas of his life, and to trust me to never cause him harm or to put him in jepordy in any way.

What are your expectations of a submissive/slave or Dominant? hhmmm, did I actually answer this above?
 
This is long already, I will come back and answer the rest a bit later.
MsOpal aka Daddy Argent's babygirl


How have you come to realize these expectations and perceptions?  (Did they come from experience, from things someone told you, from an internet site, or by having negative experiences and not wanting to repeat them again?) 

How do you communicate (or not communicate) your expectations

How do you feel your expectations are met?  How have they failed? 

I look forward to reading your responses. Thank you in advance.

porcelaine
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RE: Expectations - 9/6/2006 7:32:32 AM   
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What are your perceptions of service?  


My answer to this is every submissive/slave brings something different to the table regarding their ability to serve in various capacities. I am above all looking at the heart that drives the individual to be of service. For if it isn't a real and deep rooted desire to please me in whatever capacity, then their service is of no consequence. But for obvious reasons, this level of servitude doesn't apply to all submissives/slaves and it generally doesn't happen overnight either. You either have it or you don't. It can't be forced out through vigorous training methods on an unwilling participant.

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What are your expectations of a submissive/slave or Dominant? 


I expect there to be an initial mutual attraction. I also expect them to be real, honest, intelligent, humorous, have a very submissive nature, and possess the ability to communicate effectively. Of course, the latter sometimes takes a bit of work to get to where it needs to be.

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How have you come to realize these expectations and perceptions?  (Did they come from experience, from things someone told you, from an internet site, or by having negative experiences and not wanting to repeat them again?)
 

Mostly it comes from knowing what I want with every fiber of my being. And by all means, some things come about simply because I do not wish a repeat of some negative experience.

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How do you communicate (or not communicate) your expectations


I will either verbally make things clear, or establish a clear set of goals periodically, or simply have a written definitive set of rules and guidelines. Fact is, as I mentioned previously, everyone is different and reacts differently to various methods and techniques. The key (that works for me) is to find out what the best course of action will be through effective verbal communications, a questionnaire, or through observation.

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How do you feel your expectations are met?  How have they failed? 


I feel that for my expections to fail, I would have to recognize and accept responsibility due to my apparent inability to discern whatever I was learning and observing about that particular person.

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RE: Expectations - 9/6/2006 7:35:32 AM   
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My perception of service, is that it involves very clear things that I want to be done. These things need to be very coherent and well thought out to work that way. Preconceptions are discouraged.

My expectations of s servant are that she realize that we are team players, and work towards a worthy goal together. I expect her to be logically and emotionally mature, and transparent in communication.

These expectations have rarely been met. I blame myself partly for having made choices based on kink, and partly on girls desiring a crutch to lean on. I have learned over time what attracts these sorts, and discourage them from getting close now.


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RE: Expectations - 9/6/2006 7:57:00 AM   
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A very complex set of questions, porcelaine. 

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...please offer your commentary on the following: 

What are your perceptions of service? 


*laughs*  I've made enough comments on it of late that I expect that you have a pretty good idea.

In its simplest terms, service is giving of yourself.  What I bring to the relationship is my service to him, and what he brings to the relationship is his service to me. 

In an ideal lifelong D/s relationship, all that we have to offer is mutually recognized, desired, accepted, and appreciated.  To quote myself from a previous post...
...The peace comes by finding someone who has what you want, and wants what you have.
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What are your expectations of a Dominant?


If I have done my part well enough... taken the time to understand myself and what I want, and to find someone with whom I am compatible... my expectations of him are that he simply be who he is, with reasonable consistency.

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How have you come to realize these expectations and perceptions?  (Did they come from experience, from things someone told you, from an internet site, or by having negative experiences and not wanting to repeat them again?)


I'm not sure there is an adequate answer this question.  In general, I arrived at my understanding after serious contemplation based on my own life experience and those outside influences and ideas that resonated with me.

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How do you communicate (or not communicate) your expectations?


I don't believe I overtly communicated my expectations with FHky.  It was all a part of our learning about each other and finding out we are compatible.  I do believe that he expects me to continue to be the person that he has come to know, and in the same respect, I would imagine that he understands that I have those same expectations.

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How do you feel your expectations are met?  How have they failed? 


In the past I've been disappointed.  Was that failure theirs, or mine?  Ultimately, I'd have to say it was mine... they are MY expectations, after all.  And truly, it is my responsibility to look after my own interests and meet my own obligations... and in doing so, to do MY part by taking the time to understand myself and what I want, and to find someone with whom I am compatible.

The most important thing that I've learned with regard to expectations is to keep in mind that people are dynamic.  Emotions, opinions, and desires are all ever-changing.  Even with apparent stability, there is variation... today I may feel in a very amenable and compliant mood, but tomorrow I may have less patience and little things might annoy the heck out of me... sometimes we want it rough, sometimes we want to be made love to... we all instinctively know this about ourselves and make allowances.  The key is recognizing that it is a human trait and granting your partner the same latitude.

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RE: Expectations - 9/6/2006 7:57:22 AM   
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I am with TNStepsout... I avoid expectations as they lead to disappointments.  Desires, on the other hand, are healthy and keep me on track.

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RE: Expectations - 9/6/2006 8:06:55 AM   
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quote:

What are your perceptions of service?  

Only to see to it that Master is kept happy at all times. The better I can serve him, the happier he is
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  What are your expectations of a submissive/slave or Dominant? 


The only expectations I have for Master is that he be himself.
The only expectations I set up for myself are that I be myself, and do my best to ensure that Maste is happy.
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  How have you come to realize these expectations and perceptions?


Through time, trial and error, and alot of patience on both our sides. Master is the first relationship I have had of this kind, and after 3 years, I have come to discover that NOTHING is easy. Everything comes with a price, somewhere.
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  How do you communicate (or not communicate) your expectations

Master and I spend alot of time talking. If I feel he is not 'living' up to somthing that was promised by him, we talk about it. The same goes for me. Nothing is off limits when it comes to communication.
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  How do you feel your expectations are met?  How have they failed? 



This one is a bit trickier to answer. I set my own expectations for myself, and often am my harshest critic; so I feel as if I fail often. However, a simple smile from Master, or a hand on the shoulder often speaks volumes in telling me that I have pleased him. I could not ask for anymore than that.

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RE: Expectations - 9/6/2006 8:08:26 AM   
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RE: Expectations - 9/6/2006 8:25:09 AM   
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What are your perceptions of service?  

Not sure what you are asking for?

For me service is being used and being useful.  Service is providing something for another so they don't have to do it themselves.  Service is a human aspect, not a submissive aspect.
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What are your expectations of a submissive/slave or Dominant? 

To be true to who they are and to communicate that honestly to me.
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How have you come to realize these expectations and perceptions?  (Did they come from experience, from things someone told you, from an internet site, or by having negative experiences and not wanting to repeat them again?) 

Form e it was experiencing and realizing that anything else is pretty unreasonable.
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How do you communicate (or not communicate) your expectations

I ask questions to get the right base information and then I just tell them straight out.  Then I will ask if they understand what I meant.
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How do you feel your expectations are met?  How have they failed? 

They have failed when they presented themselves and formed expectations and then changed dramatically.

This is for overall long term stuff.  Obviously I expect that my partners will pay their bills, will do regular cleaning work, will enjoy what they used to enjoy.  But I'm answering from a more overall perspective, not a day to day one.

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RE: Expectations - 9/6/2006 8:33:58 AM   
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What are your perceptions of service?  
My perception is to be available and open to any of my Doms requests. To do my best to meet all expectations and goals he sets for me. To be a help mate to him & to be appreciated for the service. 

What are your expectations of a submissive/slave or Dominant? 
Open honesty is foremost in being able to find someone with similar views, loving guidance must be exhibited, affection is a huge requirement, attention , protection, and training,

How have you come to realize these expectations and perceptions?  (Did they come from experience, from things someone told you, from an internet site, or by having negative experiences and not wanting to repeat them again?) 
My perception came from my only Dom agreeing his path mirrored my desires only to find out not only was he not truthful to me, but also to himself. It also came from the sticking points that lead me to the dead end road with him. What I've learned here, in books, in the community, and in myself have led me to the perceptions of  my expectations in what I think a acceptable D/s dynamic would be for me.

How do you communicate (or not communicate) your expectations
Bluntly, honestly, and clearly as possible. I do this in writing, on the phone, and in person.

How do you feel your expectations are met?  How have they failed? 
My expectations were not only not met, but were used against me in deception. He took what I said I expected and needed and twisted it to pretend it was his perspective when nothing could have been farther from the truth. I so far have completely failed in my expectation to find my one as my only Dom was not him.

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RE: Expectations - 9/6/2006 8:43:03 AM   
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I have experienced similar issues with subs suzanne. But they aren't all like that.

And not all Doms are like that either. I'm a pretty laid back, chill sort of individual. I keep my head and bore through while others are losing it.

With that realization I realize I won't work with most women out there. It takes a degree of emotional detachment and the ability to look objectively to deal with a personality like mine.

We all have different drives and expectations. Realizing that is the best thing you can do for yourself-and not expecting everyone to meet your personal desires.

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RE: Expectations - 9/6/2006 8:52:07 AM   
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For me these are very simply answered.  Complex thinking goes into it all...then simply answered.  

"What are your perceptions of service? "

I think of service as doing a job worth doing.  If you don't want the job, get out.  Let someone else in who wants to do the job with exhuberance.  Not quite lifestyle oriented but it is my perception.

" What are your expectations of a submissive/slave or Dominant?  "

I have absolutely none.  Beyond my own dominant anyway.  I do have expectations of him.  Which are to care for me and love me.  Protect me when needed.  To communicate with me.  Be there for me when I need him.

"How have you come to realize these expectations and perceptions?  (Did they come from experience, from things someone told you, from an internet site, or by having negative experiences and not wanting to repeat them again?)  "

Basical relationship knowledge.  Knowing how to make one work and incorporating it into my own life.  Knowing who I am and what I need out of life.  Learned nothing beyond how people react to things on the internet.  Hopefully we've all learned from our mistakes.  It seem's a submissives largest mistake whether male or female is not valuing themselves enough.  Forgetting they are people to.

"How do you communicate (or not communicate) your expectations?  "

Either you communicate them or you have no relationship.  You sit down prior to any relationship and many times within the relationship and talk about your goals.  Where you sit now and where you'd like to be in a year.  5 year's or ten years.
Hopefully you have chosen your partner wisely and they want to hear what you have to say.  Just as you want to hear what they have to say.

"How do you feel your expectations are met?  How have they failed?  "

My expectations have been met.  They have also failed at times.  The important part is we pick up the pieces and go from there. 
They have been met so much that I live my life to make him happy not because he demands it but because the respect is there and the love that has grown.  In my mind we do not serve someone because they want us to but because we clearly want to because of who they are.




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RE: Expectations - 9/6/2006 9:02:52 AM   
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What are your perceptions of service?  

Being mindful of whats needed, and doing it.

What are your expectations of a submissive/slave or Dominant? 

i expect that person to be honest and forth right, and clear about their own expectations and desires.

How have you come to realize these expectations and perceptions?  (Did they come from experience, from things someone told you, from an internet site, or by having negative experiences and not wanting to repeat them again?) 

Just being the person i am, and knowing myself and my capabilities.

How do you communicate (or not communicate) your expectations

Honestly, openly, and hold nothing back, best to get it all out upfront.

How do you feel your expectations are met?  How have they failed? 

My expectations are met when the other person has been honest, and real with me.  Failure occurs through deceptive actions.

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RE: Expectations - 9/6/2006 9:45:54 AM   
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What are your perceptions of service?
 Total servitude, domestic or otherwise, not just sexual service. The desire to be there for me when I need it without question.  

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What are your expectations of a submissive/slave or Dominant?

Slaves: To serve me when and how I need them to because they desire to make me happy. Submissives: To occassionally defer to me, I understand they can say no, and do not expect domestic service from them, because I know most people don't like chores. In my family I make the ultimate decisions, but most service responsibility falls on my slave. My boys can opt out if they want to.  Dominants: Treat me like an equal. I am not your submissive, nor will I ever be. If I am sceneing with you as a bottom, I am in it for the pain only. If you are teaching me, I am there to learn. I do not serve, I do not follow commands, and I will not defer to you.

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How have you come to realize these expectations and perceptions?
Real life experience talking to Dominants and submissives, scening, finding my family.

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How do you communicate (or not communicate) your expectations
I always talk about it. If I am not talking there is a problem. It probably means I am avoiding that person.  

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How do you feel your expectations are met?  How have they failed?
They have been met very well. My slave is as much as slave or even more so than I expected her to be, and my boys are willing in most aspects. I have found a couple of Dominants who don't understand "scene only" situations, and thus, have been ignored, or I havebn't heard from them since, but for the most part they have understood that I need to be treated as an equal. I don't do well when I am not in control of my own destiny, even in scene.

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RE: Expectations - 9/6/2006 9:56:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: porcelaine

The following is being posted in conjunction to a similar thread begun by MisPandora in the Ask the Mistress forum. I would greatly appreciate feedback from all factions, both dominant, switch, and submissive persons.

"Meeting and exceeding customer expectations" is something you see splattered all over big business today. Moreover, the emphasis on quality systems is balancing customer perceptions and customer expectations to ensure that you're delivering the most useful item or service for your client base. From the Disney Corporation to some of the world's top airlines, taking the time to understand the needs and expectations of a customer (a recipient of a service) is the key element to success.

I've recently taken a look at why I've been being failed, and in all fairness, some of these realizations have come down to a failure to be realistic in my expectations, and to adequately communicate them.

That being said, please offer your commentary on the following: 

What are your perceptions of service?  

**Finding out what someone wants, and making every attempt to ensure they get it, usually with a smile, and without making excuses. If there is a problem with some "link in the service chain", then - a promise to fix it, and a time-line given as to when this will be done - and every sincere effort made to see it will be done by that time. If it really "can't be done" , then a few attempts to see if other avenues of meeting a need are invesitgated, and the consequences are explained, of choosing one of those options instead, before simply standing by routine protocol, simply because the usual and familiar route was not possible.       

What are your expectations of a submissive/slave or Dominant? 
 
*I am submissive, so I will reply with expectations of a Dominant. The following are not listed in order of importance to me. 
This list is very general, and not all-inclusive. When I re-write my profile, I will go into more detail.

1.Kindess - (even from a Sadist), which I define as a demonstrated capacity for empathy, although I realize this is indeed displayed in a myriad number of ways, different for each person. Sensitivity to other people's feelings.
They don't have to wear it on their sleeve, but if I never see it, or they tell me "why they just don't believe that is "necessary" that's not their "philosophy" or "how they deal with people",etc. I tune out.

*A genuine concern for the welfare of their submissive or slave. I realize a Dominant has much to gain in a D/s relationship, (as does a submissive or slave). I realize a submissive serves a Dominant's needs first. I'm a willing giver, and want to find out what they want, and give it to them. I'd also like to see a bit of evidence that concern for my needs has a place as well. If it doesn't, it's a bad match. I know this kindness can take place even in an M/s relationship with a Sadist, because I've seen evidence of it displayed at CM, here on these boards, and with people I've e-mailed.    

*Patience. I can be very patient. I try not to give people reasons to have to be patient with me, but I appreciate that if I do, they try to be patient. I do not want to deal with someone's "hair-trigger" temper, or "anger management issues". A "yeller and screamer" scares me as well. I absolutely abhor fighting and constant bickering, and will do almost anything to avoid it. But, I can appreciate rigorous "discussion", on occasion. 

2. Emotional maturity and maturity in general -

*Someone who is always whining about how bad "females" are, or how bad some other general aspect of "life" is, is a red flag for me. Deal with it already. I am normally very caring, but honestly - How can In feel they are someone I can lean on, if all they do is whine? I am not talking about someone who has a genuine problem(s) - everyone has had life situations and relationships that may not have worked out as well as they'd hoped, and sometimes they can take a long time to heal. I understand that. I'd expect I'd hear about these a little bit, in getting to know someone, as time went by (if they wanted to tell me). I am not referring to folks who may be simply going through a rough time. I am talking about people for whom this kind of talk, and way of viewing the world has become an ongoing life "theme". There is a marked difference between the two (for me).

*If someone is also well-skilled in what Frued called "projection" (deflecting their own character traits, usually unsavory ones, onto others, when they see an indication of these in other people), it can scare me off. Sometimes they can seem to spot them everywhere, in almost everyone else. These folks I see as having "issues" and I see them as potentially genuinely abusive. I am not qualified to "help" them. 

*Do they live like a responsible "adult"? Do they have a job, or at least an occupation, and a steady stream of income to support themselves? Pay their bills? On time? Get places on time?  Can they make a long-range plan to meet a goal, and carry it out? If trouble, or even tragedy strikes their life, do they know how to persevere, or are things always "someone else's fault"?    
 
*Do they relate well to other people, or are they always getting into arguments? Can they stand up for themselves and other people, when they feel it's necessary, and can they discern that there is a difference between doing this, and being a "bully"? Do they have any "support system" (friends, acquaintances)? I do realize some people are "loners, and I think that's fine. I think there is nothing wrong with keeping one's "inner circle" small, but do they know how to make and sustain social relationships?

*Do they live with integrity, or do they frequently say one thing, and do another instead? Do they lie, or steal from other people? Do they keep their promises, or have a good reason why they do not, if they don't? Are they sincere?

3. Intelligence. If they have time, do they read books that are not always related to their line of work? Or newspapers, or news magazines? Do they jump to conclusions? Or can they see several possible reasons a situation or circumstance may have come to pass, and not simply jump to conclusions about what may or may not have happened based on their own past experiences? Do they have insight, and look "below the surface"? Are they curious? Are they observant? It's nice if they are educatd, but certainly not imperative. I know some really intelligent people who are not well-educated.

4. Creativity. Do they enjoy any of  these: Writing, drawing, singing, theater, cooking, playing an instrument(s), photography, or building things? Or have another creative interest? Or, can they view things from more than one point of view? Do they have vivid imaginations? Can they see things from unusual perspectives, sometimes? 

5. A Sense of Humor. Even if it's subtle and very low-key (sometimes that can be so funny). Or sarcastic (without being truly mean, unless it's "consensual" of course), or just zany. It's all good (I am not big on banana-peel, slap-stick type humor, but even that is better than none at all). It doesn't have to be "on" all the time, or even often. I just have to know it's there, waiting to eventually come out. 

6. Strength. Physical strength is nice, but I am really referring to someone who can persevere, and does not run away from situations they may not relish dealing with, without first trying to find a solution that's workable for all concerned. And who is emotionally "together" enough, that I can feel if I need to do it, I can lean on them, and they will make me feel protected and cared for, and like everything (whatever "it" is) is going to turn out just fine . I love feeling protected. I also love being able to look up to someone. 


7. Respect and Appreciation. Do they listen to my concerns, if I have them? Or do they denigrate my comments, even if they know I am serious when I express them? Can they demonstrate they already know how to care for someone else's welfare? How did a good relationship work for them in the past? (hopefully, they've had at least one, even it didn't "last"). If there is a real relationship problem (not necessarily a "play" or bdsm activity issue), is their attitude "let's work on this?", or is it always threatening, instead? I need to know I make a positive difference in their life, and thrive on praise, or simply seeing I made someone happy. I need to feel valued and like I make a noticeable positive contribution to their life. How they want to demonstrate that is up to them, but I do need to know, and be able to notice it.

8. Do they know what they are looking for in a submissive or a slave?

How have you come to realize these expectations and perceptions?  (Did they come from experience, from things someone told you, from an internet site, or by having negative experiences and not wanting to repeat them again?) 

*I've just decided on them over a period of years. Also, my one Dominant had these qualities, as did my father, and some past men in my life that I deeply cared for. They are related to my values, too. People in my life (fortunately) have demonstrated some of these qualities to me in the past. I'm willing to expand the list to add things never considered before, perhaps (but not contract it).    

How do you communicate (or not communicate) your expectations? 

*Partly via writing descriptions like this one. In a profile, or by gradually getting to know someone whom I've watched, or  slightly known for awhile anyway, that I've already discerned, to a degree, does indeed have them. Then via phone or in person meetings, by chatting with them, or having deeper, more involved discussions. Some people, I imagine, might ask me these same questions, and ask me to write down the answers for them in some type of "pre-relationship" exercise. 

How do you feel your expectations are met? 
If they are more happy or content because I am in their life, and I am also happy or content because they are in mine.
I have pretty accurate "antennae", I think. If something is wrong, I usually pick up on it. I might not mention something is bothering me, unless it is really starting to strike me right between the eyes. Sometimes it can be a judgment call whether to mention something, or not. If I am very anxious, or losing sleep over something (rare, but certainly very possible) I definitely will ask if we can discuss it. I realize this answer is vague. Will try to add more later.

How have they failed? 
I've waited far too long( years), in the past, to leave a relationship where my needs were simply neglected and overlooked almost completely. It will not happen to me again, if I can help it. I will say something about it sooner, see if we can both work on the "issue(s) in question together sooner, and I will make a dead-line for leaving sooner if it's not workng at all, if anything similar happens in the future.

I look forward to reading your responses. Thank you in advance.

porcelaine


< Message edited by SusanofO -- 9/6/2006 10:54:23 AM >


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RE: Expectations - 9/6/2006 11:08:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Homestead

I have experienced similar issues with subs suzanne. But they aren't all like that.

And not all Doms are like that either. I'm a pretty laid back, chill sort of individual. I keep my head and bore through while others are losing it.

With that realization I realize I won't work with most women out there. It takes a degree of emotional detachment and the ability to look objectively to deal with a personality like mine.

We all have different drives and expectations. Realizing that is the best thing you can do for yourself-and not expecting everyone to meet your personal desires.

Thank you very much for your advice Homestead. I am absolutely aware not all Doms or subs for that matter are like what I experienced. I actually have lifestyle friends whom I see in healthy beneficial D/s relationships that by example not word show me it's possible. Their actions constantly remind me it can be the most awesome experience I'll ever have in life to submit to the right Dom. Mind you I do see it's more common to find abusive people in BDSM than I want it to be as well. I realize I can not judge any one else based on my past relationship. That's why I stand still right now. I am not beyond the anger or painful feelings enough that I have from this past relationship yet. I've only left him one month ago yesterday. Healing takes time. Till I feel I can be fair and take the chance of trusting another Dom to rule over me I think it's best for me to just sit back and work on getting back to a point I feel I'm emotionally healthy. Time heals all wounds and will indeed heal mine.
Suzanne

< Message edited by onestandingstill -- 9/6/2006 11:10:56 AM >

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