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Edwardian and Victorian Lifestyles - 9/6/2006 6:19:57 AM

lmarieh

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Hey Y'A/all! (lol)

I just completed my very first post, and within the thread someone had mentioned Edwardian and victorian lifestyles. While I am farmilar with both eras, I wonder what excactly defines living in each of those "periods" today. I know 1950s, but I'm not certain about the aforementioned.

Drop me a knowledgeable line, won't ya?!

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RE: Edwardian and Victorian Lifestyles - 9/6/2006 6:44:47 AM

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Generally the Edwardian Era is from 1901through 1912 (or some will argue as late as1919) and is named after the reign of King Edward VII in Great Britain. His was a short-lived governance (1901-1910) and he followed Victoria's long reign The "Edwardian" era and lifestyles sort of encompasses the years of 1901 through to 1919. Picture the movie The Titanic.It is also sometimes called 'The Gilded Age'. Britain was "between" wars and things were going good, the Empire was a major world power, there was an upper class that had more affluence than ever before. They had servants who adhered to very strict rules of hierarchy. This period was also known as the Belle Epoque or beautiful era. Even though this period was pretty short compared to others, it had its own unique fashion, architecture,and way of life. Some D/s "houses" attempt to replicate at least the general household systems and hierarchy of this period, and the way of life with butlers, doormen, households filled with servants who followed strict rules for manners has remained a very romantic picture.
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RE: Edwardian and Victorian Lifestyles - 9/6/2006 8:11:32 AM

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A well-known couple (in the greater Master'slave Community) functions as a Victorian household. Sir Stephen and slave catherine are always open to questions. Their website: http://www.restraining-order.com/

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RE: Edwardian and Victorian Lifestyles - 9/6/2006 8:24:18 AM

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The Victorian and Edwardian household usually is set up with a Major Domo or Butler who controls the house for the Master and Mistress. There are usually servants underneath the MD that erfrom functions such as cook, maid, personal dresser for the Master and for the Mistress and such positions as scullery maid and stable boy. There are several other positions but this givesyou an idea.
When doing a modern day Victorian or Edwadian house the submissive person usually fulfills many roles such as cook and maid as well as personal servant or dresser, the latter being one of the most popular roles because of the intimacy with the Master and/or Mistress.
We have trained submissives in many of these roles over about 20 years. We have trained them in proper tea service, food preparation and housecleaning as well as how to prepare a bath for the Master and Mistress including laying out the towels properly etc.
These eras in history were a time when servants were plentiful to the wealthy and service to the Master and the Mistress was very formal.
I hope this helps to explain some of this.

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RE: Edwardian and Victorian Lifestyles - 9/6/2006 10:48:01 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: lmarieh

Hey Y'A/all! (lol)

I just completed my very first post, and within the thread someone had mentioned Edwardian and victorian lifestyles. While I am farmilar with both eras, I wonder what excactly defines living in each of those "periods" today. I know 1950s, but I'm not certain about the aforementioned.

PBS had two reality based recreations on both time periods. I will share both urls with you.

The Manor House (Edwardian): http://www.pbs.org/manorhouse/index.html

1900 House (Victorian): http://www.pbs.org/wnet/1900house/index.html

The classic British series Upstairs Downstairs also chronicles the Edwardian period.

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RE: Edwardian and Victorian Lifestyles - 9/6/2006 12:43:16 PM

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The film available on DVD "Sence and Sencibility" portrays the mid Victorian Era. The people usually portrayed within the Victorian and Edwardian eras were the Upper Middle Class up to the Aristicracy. Both eras are well set aside in history and architecture in Australia and of course the Victorian period was covering the War between the States in the US. To a vert large degree, Society during the Victorian ers were trying to recapture the falaboyance and beauty of the Eliabethan era too.

The last true reminants of the Edwardian era probably ended after the end of WW1. It msy be of interest that I grew up in a home which captured the end of the Victorian and much of the edwardian periods from a social basis as well as the etiquette attribuutesd to both periods including the sumbology (Victorian) of Flowers, calling card etiquette and the language of the fan. My maturnal Grandmother was European Aristocracy and well versed in these things as were both my Parents. WE just had the additioin od the culture of a Highland Scots Clan Hierachial system as well.

Perhaps it is of no supprise that when I left the Gorean Lifestyles a couple of weeks ago, I chose to rebuild House Iron Bear (Chateau Iron Bear / Iron Bear Mannor) into a Victorian Period Home. Both subs and slaves are refered to as staff when and if we obtain any or move overseas where they are more readily available.

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RE: Edwardian and Victorian Lifestyles - 9/6/2006 2:30:46 PM

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Porcelaine,
These were excellent shows on PBS that showed every day life in the 1900s. While the "Manor house" was geared more toward an aristicratic family and all the servnats, the "1900s house" was more of the middle class family life. As far as what relates to a D/s lifestyle, the "Manor house" would be more what most D/s people are trying to achieve. I watched the "Manor house" with great interest especially because the Chef they had was very much into the style of food and the presentation of the food as it would have been in that era. While the family did enjoy the Chef's skills, they sometimes did not care for the presentation of some of the dishes as they used some items that are considered unacceptable to many today. I also have studied adn prepared food as it was prepared in this era, and often have some of the smae reaction to it, so as the Chef had to learn to adapt somewhat to the taste of the Master and was not allowed to prepare the food exactly as it would have been done in the past, we also have to adapt our "Edwardian" style to different needs.
Again thank you for the posting of the urls for these shows, I plan on buying the DVDs for both shows.

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RE: Edwardian and Victorian Lifestyles - 9/6/2006 3:36:49 PM

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ORIGINAL: wild1cfl

Porcelaine,
These were excellent shows on PBS that showed every day life in the 1900s. While the "Manor house" was geared more toward an aristicratic family and all the servnats, the "1900s house" was more of the middle class family life. As far as what relates to a D/s lifestyle, the "Manor house" would be more what most D/s people are trying to achieve. I watched the "Manor house" with great interest especially because the Chef they had was very much into the style of food and the presentation of the food as it would have been in that era. While the family did enjoy the Chef's skills, they sometimes did not care for the presentation of some of the dishes as they used some items that are considered unacceptable to many today. I also have studied adn prepared food as it was prepared in this era, and often have some of the smae reaction to it, so as the Chef had to learn to adapt somewhat to the taste of the Master and was not allowed to prepare the food exactly as it would have been done in the past, we also have to adapt our "Edwardian" style to different needs.
Again thank you for the posting of the urls for these shows, I plan on buying the DVDs for both shows.

I have a great love of period literature and film and would like to share some additional resources for your enjoyment.

You may wish to include Mrs. Brown (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&cf=info&id=1800023548) on your list of notable movies. It is actually a reference to Queen Victoria's infamous period of mourning.

Be sure to check your local PBS programming and look out for future broadcasts of Masterpiece Theatre. I have included the url which details the coming season and past offerings for your convenience (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/).

In addition, offerings by E.M. Forster (Howards End), Jane Austen (Jane Eyre and others), and noted writers (George Eliot, Honore de Balzac, etc.) during that period shed additional light on the lifestyles and class structures found in that time. Most of the authors mentioned are available at various ebook websites online (http://www.bartleby.com/index.html). If you have difficulty finding the one you seek don't hesitate to ask. I typically enjoy perusing books of this nature through Microsoft Reader.

Aristocracy is the hallmark of the Edwardian age. It marked a divergent departure from the typical route to nobility during Queen Victoria's reign. Under King Edward, status could be gained purely due to one's financial status. This was clearly a period where excess in food, drink, and entertaining were glorified and practiced by those in the noble class. In regard to the 1900 house, although they were middle class by our standards, their lifestyle was still far above par to most Victorians during that age.

I won't say if one is more appropriate than the other for D/s purposes. Attempting to replicate either via aesthetically or socially would require a commitment of time and resources. Etiquette is a mainstay in both eras and is the foundation of all relations. I will include a few books of note that would be a welcome addition to someone seeking to emulate this lifestyle. Traditional Home magazine published a book which details how to recreate a traditional look utilizing a modern approach. Additional details about the magazine, book, and social suggestions are found below:

Easy Elegance - Creating Your Own Signature Style: http://www.amazon.com/Easy-Elegance-Creating-Signature-Traditional/dp/069622013X/sr=8-2/qid=1157580534/ref=pd_bbs_2/104-8938140-8819166?ie=UTF8&s=books

Traditional Home Magazine: http://www.traditionalhome.com/

Town & Country Social Graces (Modern approach): http://www.amazon.com/Town-Countrys-Social-Graces-Brosseau/dp/1588160807/sr=1-1/qid=1157581699/ref=sr_1_1/104-8938140-8819166?ie=UTF8&s=books

Town & Country Magazine: http://magazines.ivillage.com/townandcountry/

As for the food references, I am an aspiring chef and caterer. I could dig around if you'd like and compose a list of resources for meal replication. I have stumbled upon some truly lovely reads that I utilize at present when entertaining. I would definitely include The London Ritz Book of Afternoon Tea (http://www.amazon.com/-London-Ritz-Book-Afternoon-Tea/dp/0877958238/sr=1-1/qid=1157582006/ref=sr_1_1/104-8938140-8819166?ie=UTF8&s=books) to your collection.

porcelaine

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RE: Edwardian and Victorian Lifestyles - 9/6/2006 7:20:55 PM

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I can see that you do have quite a love of the period. I also enjoy it immensely and not just from the standpoint of a chef. I also collect British military uniforms of the Victorian and Edwardian period. I enjoy the look of the uniforms of this period as they were very ornate and dashing as far as the dress ones. The field uniforms are also quite interesting. My wife also likes the ladies wear from this period, she says it was when I woman looked elegant in her finery. I think this also has a lot to do with why we enjoy training submissives for Victorian and Edwardian households.
Thanks again for all of the wonderful links.

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RE: Edwardian and Victorian Lifestyles - 9/6/2006 7:24:30 PM

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As for the food references, I am an aspiring chef and caterer. I could dig around if you'd like and compose a list of resources for meal replication. I have stumbled upon some truly lovely reads that I utilize at present when entertaining. I would definitely include The London Ritz Book of Afternoon Tea (http://www.amazon.com/-London-Ritz-Book-Afternoon-Tea/dp/0877958238/sr=1-1/qid=1157582006/ref=sr_1_1/104-8938140-8819166?ie=UTF8&s=books) to your collection.

porcelaine

Thank you for this reference especially, I already have several books on Afternoon tea as well as over 1000 cookbooks. I have been a certified chef for over 30 years. I am now retired and working on my own cookbook after having already been published in several cookbooks published by others. Let me know if I can help you in anyway in your studies.

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My Falcon now is sharp, and passing empty; And, till she stoop, she shall not be full gorg'd, For then she never looks upon her lure. Another way i have to man my haggard, to make her come and know her keeper's call. Wm. Shakespeare

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RE: Edwardian and Victorian Lifestyles - 9/6/2006 7:36:27 PM

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*quick reply*

There is a Victorian tea room and store/catalog in my area(KC) : http://www.victoriantrading.com They have so many lovely things. It almost makes me want to change my modern/Asian decor.

Kat...who wants to go to tea on day.

Edited Because my proofreading sucks tonight.

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RE: Edwardian and Victorian Lifestyles - 9/6/2006 8:03:32 PM

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never mind... was going to be a smartass, but chose not to...

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RE: Edwardian and Victorian Lifestyles - 9/6/2006 8:12:40 PM

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ORIGINAL: wild1cfl

Thank you for this reference especially, I already have several books on Afternoon tea as well as over 1000 cookbooks. I have been a certified chef for over 30 years. I am now retired and working on my own cookbook after having already been published in several cookbooks published by others. Let me know if I can help you in anyway in your studies.

I'm pleased that I could be of assistance to you and anyone else that desired to know more. I would love to speak to you further regarding your experiences in the industry. I am certain you have a wealth of knowledge to share. Please feel free to contact me at your leisure.

By the way, do you have a cookbook or two to spare? *laughs* I wonder if you've ever gone hunting at Zooba (http://www.zooba.com)? I've been a member for over two years now and routinely grab new offerings for only $9.95. You might want to visit the site if you're not familiar with it. Thanks again.

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RE: Edwardian and Victorian Lifestyles - 9/6/2006 8:14:32 PM

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*quick reply*

There is a Victorian tea room and store/catalog in my area(KC) : http://www.victoriantrading.com They have so many lovely things makes me almost makes me want to change my modern/Asian decor.

Kat,

Thanks for sharing the website!.They do have loads of lovely things to offer. Not to mention an outlet! Now I'm seriously jealous.

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RE: Edwardian and Victorian Lifestyles - 9/6/2006 8:16:26 PM

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ORIGINAL: IronBear

The film available on DVD "Sence and Sencibility" portrays the mid Victorian Era. The people usually portrayed within the Victorian and Edwardian eras were the Upper Middle Class up to the Aristicracy. Both eras are well set aside in history and architecture in Australia and of course the Victorian period was covering the War between the States in the US. To a vert large degree, Society during the Victorian ers were trying to recapture the falaboyance and beauty of the Eliabethan era too.

The last true reminants of the Edwardian era probably ended after the end of WW1. It msy be of interest that I grew up in a home which captured the end of the Victorian and much of the edwardian periods from a social basis as well as the etiquette attribuutesd to both periods including the sumbology (Victorian) of Flowers, calling card etiquette and the language of the fan. My maturnal Grandmother was European Aristocracy and well versed in these things as were both my Parents. WE just had the additioin od the culture of a Highland Scots Clan Hierachial system as well.

Perhaps it is of no supprise that when I left the Gorean Lifestyles a couple of weeks ago, I chose to rebuild House Iron Bear (Chateau Iron Bear / Iron Bear Mannor) into a Victorian Period Home. Both subs and slaves are refered to as staff when and if we obtain any or move overseas where they are more readily available.

Bear, was that the movie with Emma Thompson in it?

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RE: Edwardian and Victorian Lifestyles - 9/6/2006 8:20:24 PM

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Bear, was that the movie with Emma Thompson in it?

Yes it was. Emma Thompson and Dame Judi Dench frequently star in period films.

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RE: Edwardian and Victorian Lifestyles - 9/7/2006 1:22:49 AM

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G'day popeye,
yep there were: Emma Thompson, Kate Winslet, Alan Rickman, Hugh Grant.

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