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RE: Should I of lied? - 9/10/2006 7:42:33 PM

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I know I am being petty, but it so annoys...

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Should I 'have' lied.

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RE: Should I of lied? - 9/10/2006 7:45:52 PM

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about what

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RE: Should I of lied? - 9/10/2006 8:31:23 PM

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LaM, I am in the twilight zone here, or in the "gee I wish this guy (you, LaM) would READ a post before he replies.

Of course employment law varies from state to state. I said so in my post! What is your beef? My not saying it over and over and over to your satisfaction doesn't negate my comments.

Simply put, we differ on interpretation of the law. That is how law (and legal fees) arise. I contend that there are several cases that indicate that if a workplace wants to compel participation of its employees in charitable events, it probably can. I gave three instances of fact patterns where courts have upheld this view (they are, to refresh your memory if you did read the post you responded to (1) participation in school spirit rallys, (2) wearing of "support our downtown" buttons and (3) United Way contributions). In EACH of these cases, appellate courts around the country ruled that the aggrieved employee had no legal right to compensation (the Courts dismissed the cases for failing to state a cause of action or upon the defendant's motion for summary judgement -- if you are a lawyer, that's how WE say it).

Now, LaM, you haven't told me you've found caselaw to the contrary...have you? I would like to read it. You appear to be a lawyer or you are trying to make those that read this forum think you are one -- I cannot tell -- and so you know how to do legal research, or you should. I restate my simple point: as abhorrent as it may be to compel an employee to take part in a charity fundraiser, it is probably not harassment and probably not legally compensible.

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RE: Should I of lied? - 9/10/2006 8:33:34 PM

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puella, you are correct, and that is never annoying.

Ever read "Eats Shoots and Leaves"?

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RE: Should I of lied? - 9/10/2006 9:07:28 PM

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I think you should not have been a weasel and just worn it to show support for your coworker. That to Me is more important than an ego which nobody likes.

Yeah cuz that's what Rose Parks was doing when she refused to sit in the back of the bus, just being an egotistical weasel making trouble and thinking herself more important than just going along.

Civil disobedience is not inherently heroic. I couldn't care less about a meaningless bracelet, but I do worry we give people too much credit for standing up for what they believe in, even if they are standing up for something irrelevant or mistaken, or taking something way out of proportion. It is their right to do it -- and important that it remain so -- but that doesn't make all protest good, brave, or heroic. Though in a country where dying randomly counts as heroism, I suppose I am much in the minority on this point. Too bad it would be hypocrisy for me to refuse to go to work for a month in protest: this is a beautiful time of year to play outside all day in Chicago.

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RE: Should I of lied? - 9/10/2006 9:11:45 PM

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I'm amused by this whole let's-drop-our-pants-and-see-who-has-the-bigger-credentials rhetoric, but it would be helpful if YOU cited a case. Then I could, you know, read what exactly you're talking about (and perhaps even point out how you've mischaracterized the decision). (By the way, despite whatever you're insisting now, you never gave the three examples of participating in school spirit rallies, wearing of "support our downtown" buttons, or contributing to the United Way.) Are these cases involving wrongful termination after an employee refused to participate in a social or political movement mandated by his or her employer? Doesn't sound like it from what you're saying. I said that if Fangs were fired for refusing to wear that bracelet, he'd have a case.

Anyway, we BOTH need to know a lot more about his working conditions in order to assess exactly how to go after a boss who fires an employee for refusing to wear a pink cancer-support bracelet. Who is his employer? The government? (If it's the government, it's game over.) A U.S. corporation? What state is he in, anyway? Does he have a union? Maybe you'll agree that these pesky details are all, you know, relevant.

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ORIGINAL: Emperor1956

Simply put, we differ on interpretation of the law. That is how law (and legal fees) arise. I contend that there are several cases that indicate that if a workplace wants to compel participation of its employees in charitable events, it probably can. I gave three instances of fact patterns where courts have upheld this view (they are, to refresh your memory if you did read the post you responded to (1) participation in school spirit rallys, (2) wearing of "support our downtown" buttons and (3) United Way contributions). In EACH of these cases, appellate courts around the country ruled that the aggrieved employee had no legal right to compensation (the Courts dismissed the cases for failing to state a cause of action or upon the defendant's motion for summary judgement -- if you are a lawyer, that's how WE say it).

Now, LaM, you haven't told me you've found caselaw to the contrary...have you? I would like to read it. You appear to be a lawyer or you are trying to make those that read this forum think you are one -- I cannot tell -- and so you know how to do legal research, or you should. I restate my simple point: as abhorrent as it may be to compel an employee to take part in a charity fundraiser, it is probably not harassment and probably not legally compensible.

E. (and yes, I am a lawyer, and sometimes I play one on TV, too.)

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RE: Should I of lied? - 9/10/2006 9:13:31 PM

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The idea that one would feel compelled to lie about such a matter boggles my miind. I just don't lie.

That kind of moral absolutism is quite dangerous. Very, very little is that black and white, certainly lying included.

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RE: Should I of lied? - 9/10/2006 9:18:03 PM

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You accepted the bracelet, and displayed it openly on your shelf. That's rather supportive, in my book.

If you are concerned, make a contribution to the cancer society in your co-worker's name, and have a donation card sent to her on your behalf. That should squelch all negative feelings around the topic.

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RE: Should I of lied? - 9/10/2006 9:40:03 PM

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ORIGINAL: SirKenin

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Yeah, I know Tienanmen square was a ridiculous notion. I was on pain meds, can I recant it?!

I think it was Me that rebuked you for it first. Ten spanks and you are allowed to go. Just do not do it again (ok, maybe once or twice.. There is something about spanking I really enjoy).

Pffffft - - You don't get to spank me, silly. Besides, your ridicule of me was enough

Damn...

I tried... lmao..

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RE: Should I of lied? - 9/10/2006 9:43:14 PM

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Oh, and while I'm at it, E: How did I KNOW that Kenin was going to say something like "there are all kinds of ways around employment law"?

Not My fault I know the tricks of the trade. Do not forget... I run a business.

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RE: Should I of lied? - 9/11/2006 6:41:00 AM

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Type in big letters, "In support of breast cancer", tack it to the wall and hang the bracelet from the tack.

Dear Big-

You did mean 'in support of breast cancer research', right?

Stay warm,
Lawrence

Oooops, Yes I did. Thank you for correct my wrongfully typed words that my mind thought was thought was right.

The thing is, if these bracelets were purchased, then the donation has already went to the cause. The wearing or non wearing of the braclet then becomes a non issue. Not wearing it does not mean that you are, or are not sympathic.
My idea to put up the print out, was just another way to show your support, if that was the way you wanted to go.
Thanks again, Topcat

~Big

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RE: Should I of lied? - 9/11/2006 7:35:36 AM

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Civil disobedience is not inherently heroic.

For me, if it is civil, I actually think it is always heroic.

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It is their right to do it -- and important that it remain so -- but that doesn't make all protest good, brave, or heroic.

I don't necessarily consider all civil disobedience brave- I do always consider it good and heroic.

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Though in a country where dying randomly counts as heroism, I suppose I am much in the minority on this point.

Choosing to die randomly isn't what I consider civil disobedience or civil protest. Although perhaps if someone were fasting for a cause and ultimately died because of that, it could be included. But since the death was not the intention of the protest, it's not reall the issue.

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RE: Should I of lied? - 9/11/2006 8:02:20 AM

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<quietly applauds puella> It's been bugging me tooooooooo..... LOL

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RE: Should I of lied? - 9/11/2006 8:28:46 AM

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Frankly I DO tend to get annoyed every mid September at the fundraiser parents because I don't have kids and don't on an annual or bi-annual basis consider my co-workers a banking source for their kids class pizza party. But that's neither here nor there.

If y'all will forgive a brief hijack. LA i agree with you , i DO have kids and have always abhorred the fundraing practices of the school systems they've been in. It promotes undue pressure on the children, AND parents, to pay ridiculously exhorbiant prices for junk (literally). My general practice was to not participate but to send them with a direct donation instead.

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RE: Should I of lied? - 9/11/2006 1:58:47 PM

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RE: Should I of lied? - 9/12/2006 10:16:15 PM

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Brief Hijack:

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LaM said "Something tells me you have similar concerns, since you don't even have a profile."

Actually I do have a profile. Go to the other side of CollarMe (the system where the profiles are), type in "Emperor" and look for Me.

Not that it matters a whit, but I like to see inaccurate statements corrected.

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RE: Should I of lied? - 9/13/2006 7:59:09 AM

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Uh huh. I didn't find it because the screen name isn't identical.

Anyway, you know what I'm talking about: "I do not have a picture posted for the simple reason that I am fairly well known in my professional and social circles, and I reveal my personal life only to those I choose to."

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