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PlayfulOne -> Worth of a slave (9/11/2006 1:22:22 PM)
While talking to some who identify themselves as slave there has been talk at times (from them) about the fact that they are worthless, exsist for nothing but the owners pleasure, have no purpose, or just a thing, etc.. My question is how do you see your slave. My girl has great value to me, she is an important part of the house, and is indespensable to me. While I understand how some slaves want to feel that way, it just doesn't work around here. Even during the slave days there were slaves who had immense value and status. The house slaves for instance had a high status and their worth and free hand to run the house was often great. There were slaves who owned property, held jobs (earned money). Personally I woud not want anything in the house that was worthless or couldn't manage to think for themselves. K

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Worth of a slave (9/11/2006 1:34:37 PM)
By "worthless" they mean "no measure of worth from internal reflection, only from the owners external estimation." It's a valid perspective, though a bit extreme. While in my past relationships I accepted that my worth as a useful slave would be measured by the owner, and that if he judged it best overall to sell, or release or trade me, that it would be well within his authority to do so; I never thought the whole sum of my worth as a person could be validated by only that one perspective. Having only the purpose to be useful as a slave is hardly the same as having no purpose. Being just a thing can be a VERY useful and appropriate mindset for owned property to have. As a pragmatist and one with little empathy, I simply cannot see people in the world in solely emotional terms and emotional worth, except for my nephews. And even then, I do not allow them to tire me down too much or if they grow up to become very damaging people, I would limit my contact to them. Not to mention, a slave can consider themselves solely property, with only the purpose to be owned and found useful, with no instrinsic worth but what they have to offer their master AND still be a completely thinking and wise person. It can take a tremendous amount of self-awareness and work on eliminating the ego to become simply a vessel. It also depends on whether the motivation comes from a place of understanding, or a place of fear.

Rule -> RE: Worth of a slave (9/11/2006 1:37:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PlayfulOne While talking to some who identify themselves as slave there has been talk at times (from them) about the fact that they are worthless, exsist for nothing but the owners pleasure, have no purpose, or just a thing, etc.. A natural slave may refer to herself in these words before her transformation. You apparently do not have a natural slave, to become an extension of your own body, but possibly a power exchange slave or a sub. She is a controlled person, but not a natural slave.

ExSteelAgain -> RE: Worth of a slave (9/11/2006 1:38:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PlayfulOne My question is how do you see your slave. My girl has great value to me, she is an important part of the house, and is indespensable to me. While I understand how some slaves want to feel that way, it just doesn't work around here. Personally I woud not want anything in the house tyhat was worthless or couldn't manage to think for themselves. You didn't describe exactly how you don't want your slave to be treated, but I take it to mean that you feel a slave should be appreciated and valued...even more so if she is capable. Yep, I'll buy that. Smart and capable people impress me in every situation. I'll certainly let a slave know she is appreciated. Everyone has a craving to be appreciated.

MasterFireMaam -> RE: Worth of a slave (9/11/2006 2:36:57 PM)
my girl is beautiful. If someone else doesn't see that, they are not looking hard enough...and they probably don't think they they are beautiful either. Master Fire

PlayfulOne -> RE: Worth of a slave (9/11/2006 4:35:04 PM)
quote: It can take a tremendous amount of self-awareness and work on eliminating the ego to become simply a vessel. It also depends on whether the motivation comes from a place of understanding, or a place of fear. I'll throw another one into the mix, not only fear, but being lazy. For some it is just easy to say, Ok I want to be a 24/7 with no thought other than what you tell me, their thoughts seem to center around just being used for amusment than providing value and service. Not all, but that has just been the mindset of several I have spoken with recently. Keep me in a cage, take me out for your pleasure, and I don't have to deal with life because I am just a worthless it. Thats not letting go of yourself and putting your ego and thoughts aside, thats more in the realm of being selfish. K

twicehappy -> RE: Worth of a slave (9/11/2006 4:45:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PlayfulOne While talking to some who identify themselves as slave there has been talk at times (from them) about the fact that they are worthless, exsist for nothing but the owners pleasure, have no purpose, or just a thing, etc.. While I understand how some slaves want to feel that way, it just doesn't work around here. Personally I woud not want anything in the house that was worthless or couldn't manage to think for themselves. While speaking to various subs/slaves during Jewel's search for another i ran into an incredible amount of this. I still do not get it either. But i think your quote below covers very many of these types. quote: I'll throw another one into the mix, not only fear, but being lazy. For some it is just easy to say, Ok I want to be a 24/7 with no thought other than what you tell me, their thoughts seem to center around just being used for amusment than providing value and service. Not all, but that has just been the mindset of several I have spoken with recently. Keep me in a cage, take me out for your pleasure, and I don't have to deal with life because I am just a worthless it. Thats not letting go of yourself and putting your ego and thoughts aside, thats more in the realm of being selfish

WhispersBoi -> RE: Worth of a slave (9/11/2006 4:55:45 PM)
I am beginning training and am being taught that I am worthless...as of right now....but i will be trained to be a Slave that does have worth to my Mistress...at first,i did not understand that,because i felt that with my willingness to learn,made me not wortheless,but i do see what was meant by that and I do not take it personally...i will take it and learn to become of worth to My Mistress...

Padriag -> RE: Worth of a slave (9/11/2006 5:00:08 PM)
My own view is that a slave's value, as a slave, is based entirely on how useful they are as a slave. But that is not the sum of their value, only their value as a slave. For example a slave might be a great mom, so she has value as a mother based on that. But being a great mom does not make her a great slave, and conversely being a great slave does not mean she will be a great mom. A person could be terrific at their job, but that is also a seperate valuation. When considering whether to collar a potential slave, my primary concern is their ability to be useful as a slave. Its nice if they are good at other things, but not necessary and not of great consideration to me. But worthless... if I deemed a slave to be genuinely worthless, or near worthless, I'd release them and write them off as a bad investment of my time and energy. When I collar a slave, I expect a good return on that investment. If I don't get that, someone gets shown to the door. Harsh, perhaps; but quite fair.

MLskajira -> RE: Worth of a slave (9/11/2006 5:27:13 PM)
this girl is owned property, she is what her Master tells her she is. before she met her Master, she was inteligent, wise, hardworking and funny. this girl is still inteligent, wise, hardworking and funny, only now, Master determines when she expresses these things and He expects her to express them often. Master insisted His pet go back to school, so she is in college, majoring in criminal justice with a 3.65 g.p.a. Master encourges His pet to be active in her tribe, so she is now the secretary for her band, and the Shaman. Master puts His pet in situations He knows will bring out the smart-assed comic in her, so He may enjoy a laugh. yes, this girl is only worth what her Master says she is worth.

lilsinnergirl -> RE: Worth of a slave (9/11/2006 5:51:39 PM)
When owned I never had time to live in a cage...there is housework to do, meals to cook, go to the store, go to the bank, the dry cleaners, drop the car off to get fixed, pick the car up...etc. etc. etc. How can anyone expect to live in a cage and only be taken out to play...what about eating, showers...what slave would expect to be cleaned...I have always washed and shaved my Master, not the other way around....if I came across someone like that I'd have to ask them...I have you ever really live a 24/7 relationship before...there is no way they could honestly answer yes..... j.m.h.o.

PlayfulOne -> RE: Worth of a slave (9/11/2006 6:12:29 PM)
Padriag, I agree with you. The house runs, I don't have to deal with it. The laundry is done, meals are cooked, (though I do like to help cook, lol), everything to do with running the house gets managed without me having to deal with it. To me, that is valuable and increases her worth to me. While she always ask me before making final choices, she plans our trips, finds the hotels, she prepares for our guest when they come, mostly unsupervised. If I had to get into the details and manage everything, then why is she here? There are many things of that nature that make her service and worth to me highly valuable. As you, if they can not provide service and value, then they can find the door. K

Padriag -> RE: Worth of a slave (9/11/2006 10:35:20 PM)
There is security in that usefulness for the slave as well. A slave who has made herself indespensible to me in her usefulness has every reason to believe her place in my home is secure. Indeed, why would I release a slave who was so useful, unless of course she were to do something that altered her usefulness to me. But then in my experience, slaves who develop that kind of usefulness rarely do anything to threaten that usefulness for any reason. They too have made an investment of time and energy that they are not likely to give up or squander.

MistressSassy66 -> RE: Worth of a slave (9/11/2006 11:05:30 PM)
I value My slave girl bishop as a human being first,her loyalty/slavery comes second.I want her to have a mind of her own ,make decisions when I'm not around.I value her opinion and respect her right to disagree...not disobey but disagree...two different things. I hold her in a higher status(worth) than the male submissives.One reason being W/we have been together 7 years she knows Me very well,Two she has done a lot of so called man jobs and can do all the handyman things that some men cant. I dont mean to put the men down,I cant help it if shes smart and has done home repairs for the last 13 years,not to mention shes built houses and is certified in road grading.Its hard to not see how worthy she is,she shops and cooks and works outside the home,the male submissives are here to make her life easier more than Mine.Its important to Me she is happy and getting others to help out makes life easier for U/us both. As far as the worth of a submissive...without them life would be boring,bishop works a lot so male submissives are filling the spanking void until after Christmas.

OhReallyNow -> RE: Worth of a slave (9/12/2006 6:10:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross By "worthless" they mean "no measure of worth from internal reflection, only from the owners external estimation." It's a valid perspective, though a bit extreme. While in my past relationships I accepted that my worth as a useful slave would be measured by the owner, and that if he judged it best overall to sell, or release or trade me, that it would be well within his authority to do so; I never thought the whole sum of my worth as a person could be validated by only that one perspective. Having only the purpose to be useful as a slave is hardly the same as having no purpose. Being just a thing can be a VERY useful and appropriate mindset for owned property to have. As a pragmatist and one with little empathy, I simply cannot see people in the world in solely emotional terms and emotional worth, except for my nephews. And even then, I do not allow them to tire me down too much or if they grow up to become very damaging people, I would limit my contact to them. Not to mention, a slave can consider themselves solely property, with only the purpose to be owned and found useful, with no instrinsic worth but what they have to offer their master AND still be a completely thinking and wise person. It can take a tremendous amount of self-awareness and work on eliminating the ego to become simply a vessel. It also depends on whether the motivation comes from a place of understanding, or a place of fear. *Very nicely stated.*

agirl -> RE: Worth of a slave (9/12/2006 10:21:52 AM)
While I identify as a slave, I don't think in terms of being useful really. I've never had to. He doesn't need me for anything. MY life is lived with his control. It's heavily one-sided in many ways. Any worth I have isn't wrapped up or measured by what I do. If it was, I'd be in a sticky situation .......lol. I'd have the same worth with or without him, such as it is. What I can offer or give is a willingness to live this way, as I asked for it, and to appreciate and respect the time, effort, care and concern that I'm afforded. I take the commitment seriously, if a bit irreverently.....but my worth has little to do with it. agirl

thetammyjo -> RE: Worth of a slave (9/12/2006 10:30:42 AM)
Fox is priceless -- both literally and figuratively. Even if he and I ended, he could not be replaced because he is a unique human being who has agreed to serve me. Someone who is nothing and has nothing offers me nothing -- why would I want to own that let alone even talk to that?

LillieRose -> RE: Worth of a slave (9/12/2006 10:41:19 AM)
Although I am just learning these things, I think that if you as a slave,( sub, pet, playtoy, whatever title you may have to your Dom/Domme/Master/Mistress,) is not worth something to T/them, they wouldn't want you to begin with. Worthy, not worthy, it is the state of mind that you find yourself in....we are all important to one another...Dom/Domme to sub/slave...enhancing one another's lives with whatever talent or sexual desires we have....Don't ever feel worthless....you are important to someone's life...just if it is to bring a smile to their day.

MagiksSlave -> RE: Worth of a slave (9/12/2006 11:09:25 AM)
My Master owns nothing worthless. Why would he want to??

Mercnbeth -> RE: Worth of a slave (9/12/2006 11:33:06 AM)
The value placed by a Master on his slave indicates the value he/she has of themselves. Start at the beginning of the process. Who would search for something worthless? Who would take the time to train something worthless? Even those at the extreme end of objectification know that a 'human chair' is rarer than a Chippendale. I have witness the philosophy of those who use the label 'worthless' in the 'breaking' stage of training. But I'm too much of an egomaniac to attach myself to any worthless possession. I value my slave as much as I value me. I have the perspective that without a slave, my 'Master' label would be worthless. That makes my slave 'priceless'.

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