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NastyDaddy -> RE: The Confederate Flag (9/17/2006 8:13:38 PM)
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Actually the topic is just staring to get interesting, and has been a great deal one-sided with respect to opinions of hatred.... so many people have seemed to vent here in this thread, and of course fail to see the basic topic. This thread was hijacked rather quickly into a vehicle of hatred, and preachings about slavery despite actual facts.
The symbols of hatred also refers to names and labels, and so often people are quick to stereotype the Confederacy Battle Flag as a symbol of hatred. It was more commonly called just what it was, a battle flag. This flag did not fly over slave tended tobacco and cotton patches... it flew over Southern troops during Civil War battles, as a "battle flag". Many people believe the Emmancipation Proclamation was a precursor to the Civil War without the realization it was not even introduced into the Civil War until three long bloody years of Civil War. One could surmise The EP was more a recruiting tool to draw slaves to the north to shore up weakening troop strengths, and shortly there were fully segregated northern units of black soldiers who suffered the same or worse fates by those they had come to believe were their saviors.
The Southern Battle Flag was also known as the Rebel Flag. Did you know this very design was chosen to avoid any confusion in battle with "stars and bars" flags flying over Northern troops? Did you also know the Southern Battle Flag was designed after the St. Andrews cross, a very common BDSM lifestyle favorite "torture" apparatus? Yet, in the train of thought displayed quite vehemently in this thread, there has been no mention of the favorite hate symbol torture apparatus "proudly owned" and used by many BDSM lifstylers today.
One could ask why do you NOT vehemently oppose the St Andrews cross (the actual "Mother" of the Southern Battle Flag design). One could also stereoptype all BDSM lifestylers who enjoy lashing subs/slaves who are bound to a St. Andrews cross as purveyors of the same mindset... narrow minded deviants who make their own rules and standards, just as the references to rednecks and ignorant Southerners in this thread were proffered to infer.
There is indeed a great deal of hatred and biases displayed by many outspoken people in this thread... with very little actual awareness of history or the nature or origin of the Southern Battle Flag. Do your homework and place your hatred and biases aside... don't talk about hate flags, and yet boast of your lashing talents and fondness for the St Andrews cross.
This actually constitutes hypocrisy in a nutshell, unless you are a staunch advocate of eliminating the use of the "hate cross"... the St Andrews cross "highly favored" dungeon apparatus symbol of hate. How many pictures of this "hate device" are proudly displayed here at CM by... *cough*... well educated hypocrites?
The Southern Battle Flag is an historical aspect of a rather immature country, and it's rather immature but material minded citizens on both sides of the Mason Dixon Line. The bottom line was a desire to protect and preserve a "More Perfect Union" way of life which actually promoted and profitted from slavery since the very birth of the immature country, more than 100 years before the Civil War ever transpired.
I am a Southerner, and I am quite proud of both my heritage and my lineage which traces back to Charlemagne of France. NONE of my ancestors owned slaves like Mr Lincoln did... NONE of my ancestors fought in the Civil War over "slavery".... ALL my ancestors who fought under the Southern Battle Flag fought for their own freedom from an oppressive and manipulative Northern "Perfect Union" that felt they knew what was best for the Southern sources of tobacco, cotton and grains, as well as trade routes they much needed and desired for their own greed, use and continued profit.
The most costly war of lost lives America has ever experienced, the Civil War, was fought over much more than the simple issue of "jointly condoned slavery"... which was merely the "end excuse" as opposed to the "original cause". It was convenient then to say "slavery" was the reason for the Civil War, and it obviously remains to be very convenient today.
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