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Gor: How do I know what should be taken to heart? - 1/8/2005 6:13:00 PM   
iiinterstate


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Status: offline 		I am beginning some research on the Gorean lifestyle, but I am very overwhelmed.

The quotes from the novels seem to be very different than the way slaves are actually treated.
I'm not sure what is true or what is just literature.
I know the writing style has a lot to do with it.

For instance, is a slave really expected to give up all contact with her family?

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RE: Gor: How do I know what should be taken to heart? - 1/8/2005 7:25:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you click "search" at the top of the forum here and then put in Gor, you will find a zillion threads on it.

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RE: Gor: How do I know what should be taken to heart? - 1/8/2005 9:17:51 PM   
iiinterstate


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I'm sorry for any inconvienience.

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RE: Gor: How do I know what should be taken to heart? - 1/9/2005 5:18:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's okay, sometimes it is good to get fresh feedback on a subject. If you do chatrooms, check out the Gorean room because Leonidas is usually in there and he would be happy to answer your questions.

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RE: Gor: How do I know what should be taken to heart? - 1/9/2005 9:41:11 AM   
nella


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Status: offline 		I am also rather overwealmd by the whole topic og Gorean lifestyle, and it is somtimes dificult to find good information.

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RE: Gor: How do I know what should be taken to heart? - 1/9/2005 2:18:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have very strong feelings about Gor so I'll try to be polite. You must remember that Gorean 'culture' is based on books written by a young man. Exploring can be fun and educational, but I know so many who have been hurt or exploited by those who profess to have a Gorean lifestyle. Gor..is fantasy which some try to bring to life. I wish you well in your research.



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RE: Gor: How do I know what should be taken to heart? - 1/9/2005 2:26:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		He wasn't all that young when he published the first Gor novel. I believe he was 36 at the time (1967).

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RE: Gor: How do I know what should be taken to heart? - 1/9/2005 2:41:52 PM   
Moleculor


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quote:

For instance, is a slave really expected to give up all contact with her family?


In real life, you only do what you consent to do. If you don't want to give up contact, don't.

Quite honestly, it sounds like you might be thinking that Gor is the only way to be a slave. It's not.

Oh... and did you know that cutting off contact with friends and family is a common way to start either abuse or brainwashing? The lack of familiarity and a support group often leaves a person very vulnerable.

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RE: Gor: How do I know what should be taken to heart? - 1/9/2005 3:01:40 PM   
Interesdom


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Status: offline 		John Norman based a lot of his Gor fantasy societies on what is known of past civilisations. Most of them were slave-owning civilisations and so there is, perhaps, something to learn (though if that were the only purpose, history books would be better reading). The definition of slave in some of those societies would make today's wage-slave seem anything but free. A BDSM slave, however defined, is very different to most other kinds of slave.

As in all things in life, to blindly follow some fantasy is likely to be a path to unhappiness or worse. It works for a few people but as you are already realising, most people who "are Gorean" actually change the basis of what Gor is about in order to make it possible to live. In other words, it's used as a guideline only and for them to talk about following Gor can be as confusing as an Italian saying he speaks Latin.

Have fun and follow your own unique path to fulfilment and happiness.

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RE: Gor: How do I know what should be taken to heart? - 1/10/2005 10:29:35 PM   
nella


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Status: offline 		One side note. I love the part of the books where they extend their lives to centuries. That coment had nothing to do whit the discussion, but i had to say it.

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RE: Gor: How do I know what should be taken to heart? - 1/16/2005 4:47:25 PM   
ShadowKnight


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Status: offline 		Why is it when the subject of Gor comes up many people get their panties in a twist? There is good and bad to be found among the Gorean community just as there is good and bad to be found in any community...BDSM included. The advice that I give to people looking to embark on a journey it to do your research first before making any radical moves.

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RE: Gor: How do I know what should be taken to heart? - 1/17/2005 5:34:35 PM   
stormiKnightBEAR


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Status: offline 		Well said ShadowKnight!


stormi will now probably refrain from talking about GOR!!
My My but the gasp are loud.


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RE: Gor: How do I know what should be taken to heart? - 1/17/2005 6:15:57 PM   
nella


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Status: offline 		i agree stormi ShadowKnight made a wonderful coment.

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RE: Gor: How do I know what should be taken to heart? - 1/17/2005 6:24:49 PM   
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Why the word "Gorean" causes so much closed minded knee jerk response I never understood. There is great beauty in the words of the novels, and yes some wisdom. There is also a lot of fantasy that could not and should not be brought to real life situations. Face it the novels discuss a world of slavery. Those slaves have no rights, no choices, and their owners could do what they wished with them. But we dont live on Gor. Face it, if my slave displeased me in a restaraunt in most countries, and I chose to toss her over the table and whip her for it, its pretty likely I'd see the inside of a jail cell soon. Which is a good thing, laughs.

Just like any fantasy novel, in the bdsm realm, i.e. The story of O, The beauty series, The Marketplace series. There are things one can take from them and things that are at best, not realistic in our society. As with any relationship, Gor, BDSM or vanilla, you have to find someone that you can trust, that has similar beliefs to yours.

My advice to all is in this world of bdsm with so many different interests fetishes, beliefs, desires, that last thing one should be is judgemental of those that use structure or beliefs or protocol that may be different than ours.

Trainer Clark

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RE: Gor: How do I know what should be taken to heart? - 1/18/2005 12:12:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		My advice would be to wait for the final Star Wars installment to come out, and base your life on that instead.

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RE: Gor: How do I know what should be taken to heart? - 1/18/2005 5:23:34 AM   
nella


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Status: offline 		The problem is that while it would be interesting to design a lifestyle around StarWars, and i think it has been done, it has littel to do whit BDSM. i think it is common that pepole get all stressed out when somone mentining having taken anything from fantasy and made somthing real in this world from it. Somone using StarTreck fashion? they must be idiots all of them, i that as a chaos magician might take Gods and magick systems from fantasy books and use them, i must be unserious, and the Goreans that take some of the aspects of the way of life from a fantasy seris, they must be insane, and the list go on.

As a concept Gorean lifestyle are quite interesting i think, pepole do not as Trainer Clark act out as if this was Gor, they dont whip girls in front of others in a resturant, or worce yet, kidnap girls to be slaves. And that is the difference between making a fantasy as real as possibel on earth and enyoying it, wicth is a positive thing, and beliving you live in the fantasy world, witch is a negative thing. If you want that devote your time to the study of other dimentions, perhaps you will find it.

my advise to the original poster would be to find some sensibel Goreans and learn from them

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RE: Gor: How do I know what should be taken to heart? - 1/18/2005 8:16:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TrainerClark


Why the word "Gorean" causes so much closed minded knee jerk response I never understood.


The reason it causes a knee-jerk reaction in me is because it is a largely mysogynistic structure where women are subservient -because- they are women.


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RE: Gor: How do I know what should be taken to heart? - 1/18/2005 9:40:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: perverseangelic


quote:

ORIGINAL: TrainerClark


Why the word "Gorean" causes so much closed minded knee jerk response I never understood.


The reason it causes a knee-jerk reaction in me is because it is a largely mysogynistic structure where women are subservient -because- they are women.



Which is exactly why I've always thought that some less socially adept males like gor.. They get the sexy slave girl who will do annnnything for them and it doesn't matter how unappealing the male is.. He can be ugly, ill mannered, flatulent, a lousy lay.. but because he has a PENIS he is master. I would think that would be an anathema to a Dominant male, since he should know he is above regular men because he is DOMINANT, not because he was born with an outtie instead of an innie.

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RE: Gor: How do I know what should be taken to heart? - 1/18/2005 11:13:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BeachMystress

I would think that would be an anathema to a Dominant male, since he should know he is above regular men because he is DOMINANT, not because he was born with an outtie instead of an innie.

Since when does being dominant put you "above" anyone other than your own submissive/slave?

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RE: Gor: How do I know what should be taken to heart? - 1/18/2005 11:33:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sfgrrl
Since when does being dominant put you "above" anyone other than your own submissive/slave?


It doesn't. But I think the point being made is that Male Supremacy (such as in Gor) implies that biology is enough to make all men superior to all women. It cancels out the idea that a man's personality or character is in any way involved. This in turn means the very idea of a Dom is pointless... any man can do it, it takes no skill or aptitude.

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