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How to start a S. Florida BDSM club? - 9/17/2006 7:11:30 AM   
WhipTheHip


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Status: offline 		I would like to start a S. Florida BDSM club.   I was thinking about
placing an ad in the New Times each week for a year.  Anyone
have any other ideas?  The New Times is an alternative weekly.

I wonder how many women in law enforcement have an interest
in bdsm?

I wonder how many women in BDSM have a degree in math,
physics, astronomy, marine biology or computer science?

A sub question.  
Anyone know how much ballast is needed for a 126 ton sub?

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RE: How to start a S. Florida BDSM club? - 9/18/2006 5:50:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		What do you mean by club?  Are you referring to something like SPICE, Club Kink, Command Performance or the Fetish Factory?  What is the motivation for creating another club in this area?  What is going to be different about this club than the others?

What do the rest of your questions have to do with starting a club in South Florida?

Knight's kyra

P.S. I have a degree in Math and Meteorology.  Considered physics but I much prefer atmospheric dynamics and thermodynamics to quantum physics.

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RE: How to start a S. Florida BDSM club? - 9/18/2006 8:16:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kyraofMists
What do you mean by club? 


I club like the Black Orchid for people in S. Florida to get to know each other.

quote:

 Are you referring to something like SPICE


SPICE is more middle Florida, and more middle-age as far as my understanding goes. 
I figure we would meet at Club Kink.  

I thought Command Performance was run by a fairly mature, gay. Pro Domme.  I
didn't know it catered to male Doms and female subs.

The Fetish Factory is just a place to buy stuff.  The owner told me, he didn't
think there were that many people in Dade County really interested in bdsm..
He said he mainly catered to the Goth crowd. 

> What is the motivation for creating another club in this area? 

I wasn't aware that SPICE attracts many people from Miami-Dade County,
especially not many young people.  I figured I could do a better job growing 
the community.   The few reports I received about SPICE were not all
that glowing.  A staid community of mostly older couples, not every
welcoming to guys.   Then there is the issue of politics. 

> What is going to be different about this club than the others?

My club would be run by a younger, wilder, less experienced crowd
with fewer ideas about how things ought to be.  It would concentrate
more on singles and on finding partners then on couples who have
been in the scene since time immemorial. 

> What do the rest of your questions have to do with starting a club
> in South Florida?

Absolutely nothing.  They were questions of personal interst. 
I thought I would put them all in one thread rather then start
a thread for each of them.  Then I reconsidered and created
a new thread for each question.

> I have a degree in Math and Meteorology.  Considered
> physics but I much prefer atmospheric dynamics and
> thermodynamics to quantum physics.

Over taste and smell there can be no dispute.   Still, I
can't understand how anyone can possibly be interested
in anything but theoretical QM, GR, and M-brane theory.
For some reason women have less interest in these areas
than guys.

I've been doing a lot of thinking lately about my
ideal mate.  I began to wonder if this chimera could
exist even theoretically.  And then I wondered
if such an bizzare creature could exist, would she
have any archipallium driven behavior.  Of course,
why such a person--if they existed--would have
any interest in me is a very good question.  But
at least I can dream.

Actually, I think thermodyamics is the key to
understanding the universe.  Entropy increases
as space-time expands.  Entropy decreases as
space-time contracts.  Matter-energy  cools
as space-time expands.  Matter-energy heats
up as space-time contracts.  When space-time
contracts time gets smaller, the arrow of time
reverses.  I know I'm a crank, and this can't
possibly be right.  The universe could not
possibly be analgous to the interior of a heat
pump with no exterior environment. 

There is not supposed to be any connection
between low entropy and motion. 

I know I'm nutty, but famous guys keep
"stealing" my nutty ideas..

Why do I want a submissive, mathematical
tomboy.   To help me trade futures, help
me repair commercial air conditioners,
give me feedback on my inventions, and
play table tennis.

Some guys want to suck female toes,
I want a female to tell my why my TOEs
suck.  I hope she has the GUTs to do it.

Predictability, decidability, chaos.  She
should at least understand why Penrose
makes no sense when it comes to "free
will" and indeterminism, and explain to
me the difference between causality
and determinism.  

Cheers,
Michael






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RE: How to start a S. Florida BDSM club? - 9/18/2006 8:27:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Kyra has a point.
What is your target audience ?
What need which is not currently being met in the community will you seek to fulfill ?
Have you checked the zoning laws reagrding adult clubs and chance are you will be seen as an adult club ?

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state of "want" in your sub or slave.
If you create or maintain a proper state of "want",
then your have continuous leverage and motivation
for their obedient behavior."

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RE: How to start a S. Florida BDSM club? - 9/18/2006 8:30:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		If You're starting a munch group.. i would encourage You to please be involved and active with all the munch groups in Your area already.  THEN, if You find a niche that isn't already addressed, then maybe the area needs another group.  If not..  support what is already in place, or You risk diluting the community so much by fracturing it..  there will be 20 small groups of 5 ppl each, and never a full range meet group with a growing vital community that serves many needs.

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RE: How to start a S. Florida BDSM club? - 9/19/2006 5:40:30 AM   
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RE: How to start a S. Florida BDSM club? - 9/19/2006 9:18:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		You don't stand a chance against the competition that has already proved itself in the area over many years now. I've been in the Florida scene for a looong time & know or at least know of every club or event that takes place. I'm close friends with several who host membership only organizations as well as those who are event coordinators of other semi-permanent monthly public play parties. I was also part of the staff for two clubs that never saw the light of day due to community polictics or city zoning issues.

Kyra mentioned a few of the well known spots here in S Florida but she failed to mention Keiki's new Lifestyle Alternative Centre... most of the groups (such as SILK, PAG & WOLF... not sure if SPICE is coming over or sticking around at Kink)

If you weren't aware of it Kyra ( or anyone else here in the South Florida are) feel free to contact me on the other side for info...

Same goes for Magic, nice to see yet another a familiar face on the boards my friend... Hugs!

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RE: How to start a S. Florida BDSM club? - 9/19/2006 4:02:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: WhipTheHip

A sub question.  
Anyone know how much ballast is needed for a 126 ton sub?








4A2. Main ballast tanks. The main ballast tanks group consists of four groups, which are further subdivided into ten tanks, as follows:





TANK
CAPACITY

1. MBT No. 1
49.17 tons sea water

2. MBT Nos. 2A, 2B, 2C and 2D
129.03 tons sea water (4 tanks)

3. MBT Nos. 6A, 6B, 6C and 6D
141.60 tons sea water (4 tanks)

4. MBT No 7
39.09 tons sea water

4A3. Variable ballast tanks. The second group of water tanks is the variable ballast

tank group which is composed of six tanks as follows:





TANK
CAPACITY

1. Forward trim tank
24.31 tons sea water

2. Forward WRT tank
4.94 tons sea water

3. Auxiliary ballast tank No. 1
30.77 tons sea water

4. Auxiliary ballast tank No. 2
30.77 tons sea water

5. After trim tank
19.97 tons sea water

6. After WRT tank
5.06 tons sea water

4A4. Special ballast tanks. The safety, negative, and bow buoyancy tanks are classified as special ballast tanks. Each of these

tanks has special blowing arrangements and a special purpose, which is described in detail in later sections of this chapter.





TANK
CAPACITY

1. Safety tank
23.23 tons sea water

2. Negative tank
7.51 tons sea water

3. Bow buoyancy tank
31.69 tons sea water



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4A5. Fuel Ballast tanks. There are three fuel ballast tanks divided into A and B sections which are connected together through

limber holes in the vertical keel plating. The tanks are as follows:





TANK
CAPACITY

1. Fuel ballast tanks Nos. 3A and 3B
19,196 gallons

2. Fuel ballast tanks Nos. 4A and 4B
24,089 gallons

3. Fuel ballast tanks Nos. 5A and 5B
19,458 gallons


The fuel ballast tanks normally carry fuel oil. When not being used as fuel ballast tanks, they may be used as main ballast tanks.
4A6. Additional tanks. In addition to the above-named water ballast tanks, there are the normal fuel oil tanks, collecting tank,

expansion tank, clean fuel oil tank, normal lubricating oil tank, reserve lubricating oil tank, main sump tanks, reduction gear sump tanks, fresh water tanks, emergency fresh water tanks, battery fresh water tanks and sanitary tanks. The capacity of these tanks is given in the following table.





TANK
CAPACITY

Normal fuel oil tank group:

1. NFOT No. 1
11,401 gallons

2. NFOT No. 2
13,122 gallons

3. NFOT No. 6
15,201 gallons

4. NFOT No. 7
10,054 gallons

5. Collecting tank
2,993 gallons

6. Expansion tank
2,993 gallons

Clean fuel oil tank group:

1. CFOT No. 1
  611 gallons

2. CFOT No. 2
  618 gallons

Normal lubricating oil tank group:

1. NLOT No. 1
1,475 gallons

2. NLOT No. 2
  924 gallons

3. NLOT No. 3
1,073 gallons

4. Reserve lube oil tank
1,201 gallons



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TANK
CAPACITY

Main engine sump tank group:

1. Main engine sump No. 1
 382 gallons

2. Main engine sump No. 2
 382 gallons

3. Main engine sump No. 3
 382 gallons

4. Main engine sump No. 4
 382 gallons

5. Reduction gear sump No. 1
 165 gallons

6. Reduction gear sump No. 2
 165 gallons

Fresh water tank group:

1. Fresh water tank No. 1
 980 gallons

2. Fresh water tank No. 2
 980 gallons

3. Fresh water tank No. 3
 973 gallons

4. Fresh water tank No. 4
 973 gallons

5. Emergency fresh water tanks
 276 gallons (total)

 a. 2 tanks forward torpedo room
 276 gallons (total)

 b. 1 tank control room
  18 gallons

 c. 1 tank maneuvering room
   8 gallons

 d. 1 tank aft torpedo room
 180 gallons

Battery water tanks:
1,208 gallons (total)

1. Battery water tanks Nos. 1 and 2
 152 gallons (each)

2. Battery water tank No. 3
 143 gallons

3. Battery water tank No. 4
 157 gallons

4. Battery water tank Nos. 5 and 6
 152 gallons (each)

5. Battery water tank No. 7
 157 gallons

6. Battery water tank No. 8
 143 gallons

Sanitary tanks:

1. Sanitary tank No. 1
1.66 tons or 434 gallons

2. Sanitary tank No. 2
2.57 tons or 673 gallons



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4A7. Test pressure and data. The tank and groupings, together with their capacities outlined in Sections 4A2 and 4A6 inclusive, are those tanks which are designed to contain

liquids under any normal or emergency condition of operation of the vessel. These tanks are subjected to the individual tests listed in the following chart:





TANK
TYPE OF TEST

1. MBT No. 1
A. S. & T. 15 psi   Tests made

2. MBT Nos. 2A and 2B, 2C and 2D
A. S. & T. 15 psi   before flood

3. MBT Nos. 6A and 6B, 6C and 6D
A. S. & T. 15 psi   ports are cut

4. MBT No. 7
A. S. & T. 15 psi   into tank.

5. Forward trim tank
W. S. & T. Test depth

6. Forward WTB tank
W. S. & T. Test depth

7. Auxiliary tank No. 1
W. S. & T. Test depth

8. Auxiliary tank No. 2
W. S. & T. Test depth

9. After trim tank
W. S. & T. Test depth

10. Safety tank
W. S. & T. Test depth

11. Negative tank
W. S. & T. Test depth

12. Bow buoyancy
W. S. & T.

13. FBT Nos. 3A and 3B
W. S. & T. 102 ft. head to keel

14. FBT Nos. 4A and 4B
W. S. & T. 102 ft. head to keel

15. FBT Nos. 5A and 5B
W. S. & T. 102 ft. head to keel

16. NFOT No. 1
W. S. & T. 102 ft. head to keel

17. NFOT No. 2
W. S. & T. 102 ft. head to keel

18. NFOT No. 6
W. S. & T. 102 ft. head to keel

19. NFOT No. 7
W. S. & T. 102 ft. head to keel

20. Collecting tank
W. S. & T. 102 ft. head to keel

21. Expansion tank
W. S. & T. 102 ft. head to keel

22. CFOT No. 1
W. S. & T. 60 ft. head to keel

23. CFOT No. 2
W. S. & T. 60 ft. head to keel

24. NLOT No. 1
W. S. & T. 35 ft. head to keel

25. NLOT No. 2
W. S. & T. 35 ft. head to keel

26. NLOT No. 3
W. S. & T. 35 ft. test depth

27. Reserve lube oil tank
W. S. & T. 35 ft. head to keel

28. Main engine sump No. 1
W. S. & T. 35 ft. head to keel

29. Main engine sump No. 2
W. S. & T. 35 ft. head to keel



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TANK
TYPE OF TEST

30. Main engine sump No. 3
W. S. & T. 35 ft. head to keel

31. Main engine sump No. 4
W. S. & T. 35 ft. head to keel

32. Reduction gear sump No. 1
W. S. & T. test depth

33. Reduction gear sump No. 2
W. S. & T. test depth

34. Fresh water tank No. 1
A. S. & T. 18 psi

35. Fresh water tank No. 2
A. S. & T. 18 psi

36. Fresh water tank No. 3
A. S. & T. 18 psi

37. Fresh water tank No. 4
A. S. & T. 18 psi

38. Emergency fresh water tank No.
A. S. & T. 10 psi

39. Battery water tanks Nos. 1 and 2
A. S. & T. 18 psi

40. Battery water tank No. 3
A. S. & T. 18 psi

41. Battery water tank No. 4
A. S. & T. 18 psi

42. Battery water tanks Nos. 5 and 6
A. S. & T. 18 psi

43. Battery water tank No. 7
A. S. & T. 18 psi

44. Battery water tank No. 8
A. S. & T. 18 psi

45. Sanitary tank No. 1
W. S. & T. test depth

46. Sanitary tank No. 2
W. S. & T. test depth

First and foremost, I need clarification of exactly what sort of ballast you are speaking of?  Considering there are about 40 versions of "ballast" on a submarine.  Now in reference to your question above, if you are speaking of diving in a submarine...



there are several key peices of information needed, in order to equate exactly how much ballast is needed for this rather dinky sized submarine you are speaking of.  Most of the models I have found concerning submarines are based on 1,500 tons.

I am somewhat thinking you are speaking of a submersible, rather than a true submarine, but this is beside the point.

Key questions needed to give an accurate answer:
   1) What is the surface displacement of sub?
   2) How much does she draw?
   3) Assuming you include the weight of fuel, oil, and lube oil into the total of the draw, how many does she hold?

Upon finding out this information, then we can come to a total water displacement figure, and proceed from there, as to specifics of how much ballast is needed, to dive. 

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RE: How to start a S. Florida BDSM club? - 9/19/2006 4:05:26 PM   
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HERE!!!!!!

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RE: How to start a S. Florida BDSM club? - 9/19/2006 6:13:56 PM   
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You don't stand a chance against the competition that has already proved itself in the area over many years now. I've been in the Florida scene for a looong time & know or at least know of every club or event that takes place. I'm close friends with several who host membership only organizations as well as those who are event coordinators of other semi-permanent monthly public play parties. I was also part of the staff for two clubs that never saw the light of day due to community polictics or city zoning issues.

Kyra mentioned a few of the well known spots here in S Florida but she failed to mention Keiki's new Lifestyle Alternative Centre... most of the groups (such as SILK, PAG & WOLF... not sure if SPICE is coming over or sticking around at Kink)

If you weren't aware of it Kyra ( or anyone else here in the South Florida are) feel free to contact me on the other side for info...

Same goes for Magic, nice to see yet another a familiar face on the boards my friend... Hugs!


Sounds like a challange.  I am always up for challanges.  I never heard of SILK, PAG or WOLF.  I guess if clubs want to keep themselves exclusive and obscure, that is their choice.

The one big difference my club will have is, it will be friendly to new people, and I will keep out people with an attitude.  The middle-aged established couples can have SPICE.

I will advertise in the New Times, in Univcrsity Newspapers,
at Churchills, the Broward County Alternative paper whose name escapes me at the moment.  I will advertise at the Fetish Factory and Fetish Box.  I will advertise at Goth clubs, and with Wicca and Pagan groups.  I guess the group I will try to start is doomed to failure.  We shall see.

I just love proving naysayers wrong. 

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RE: How to start a S. Florida BDSM club? - 9/19/2006 8:31:19 PM   
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To the OP; sure, there's ladies in law enforcement interested in bdsm. I'm one of them. What's that got to do with starting a club in Florida?? The other queries posted have no relevance either. *shakes head* You never cease to amaze me... Were you dropped on your noggin as a child?


Stay safe, play nice, & share your toys w/ others...





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RE: How to start a S. Florida BDSM club? - 9/20/2006 4:13:51 AM   
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SPICE is more middle Florida, and more middle-age as far as my understanding goes. 
I figure we would meet at Club Kink.  


SPICE is in South Florida and holds it's monthly demo/play parties at Club Kink.  My Lord and I will be attending the party in November.

quote:


I thought Command Performance was run by a fairly mature, gay. Pro Domme.  I
didn't know it catered to male Doms and female subs.


CP is run by a Professional female dominant, but my Lord, alandra and I have had some of our best plays in that place.  She seems quite happy to welcome us into her place to play.

quote:


The Fetish Factory is just a place to buy stuff.  The owner told me, he didn't
think there were that many people in Dade County really interested in bdsm..
He said he mainly catered to the Goth crowd. 


They also put on a monthly Fet party that is typically held at a club in Boca Raton.  It has a dress code to be able to attend.

quote:


I wasn't aware that SPICE attracts many people from Miami-Dade County,
especially not many young people.  I figured I could do a better job growing 
the community.   The few reports I received about SPICE were not all
that glowing.  A staid community of mostly older couples, not every
welcoming to guys.   Then there is the issue of politics. 


There will be politics with any group of people and with the way you have conducted yourself here on the boards, I don't see any evidence that you will do a better job growing the community.


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RE: How to start a S. Florida BDSM club? - 9/20/2006 4:15:21 AM   
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Kyra mentioned a few of the well known spots here in S Florida but she failed to mention Keiki's new Lifestyle Alternative Centre... most of the groups (such as SILK, PAG & WOLF... not sure if SPICE is coming over or sticking around at Kink)

If you weren't aware of it Kyra ( or anyone else here in the South Florida are) feel free to contact me on the other side for info...


I hadn't heard of that group.  I sent you an email requesting the information. 

Thank you.

Kyra

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RE: How to start a S. Florida BDSM club? - 9/20/2006 4:25:33 AM   
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G'evening all:  To the OP; sure, there's ladies in law enforcement interested in bdsm. I'm one of them. What's that got to do with starting a club in Florida?? The other queries posted have no relevance either. *shakes head* You never cease to amaze me... Were you dropped on your noggin as a child?   Stay safe, play nice, & share your toys w/ others...
  Bella


Dear GddssBella,

The other questions had nothing to do with starting a club in Florida.  There were just
matters of personal interest.  Nope, I wasn't dropped on noggin as a child.  In fact, I
happen to be a member of Mensa, which means I am not all that conventional.  I guess
I am not used to dealing with people who are so nasty, rude, hostile, judgmental, intolerant,
negative and conformist.  You know, I wouldn't say, "Were you dropped on your noggin
as a child?" even if I thought it was true.  I figure abusive people were themselves abused
at one point in life.   And I feel sorry for them. 

Cheers,
Michael

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RE: How to start a S. Florida BDSM club? - 9/20/2006 4:59:35 AM   
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> SPICE is in South Florida and holds it's monthly demo/play parties at Club Kink.  My Lord and I will be attending the party in November.

I was aware of this.  As far as I know, they don't really have much of a presence in Miami-Dade County.  I hope to host informal
discussion get-togethers at my home where I will serve dervish whores and drinks free of charge.   Maybe, that is horderves and
drinks.    I enjoy entertaining, and making blended frozen drinks in my VitaMix..   My idea is to schedule play parties at Club Kink. 
I hope to create a Yahoo message board for my members.

> They also put on a monthly Fet party that is typically held at a club in Boca Raton.  It has a dress code to be able to attend.

Right, but I was told most participants are people who are more into Goth and dressing that way, than into BDSM.

> There will be politics with any group of people and with the way you have conducted yourself here on the boards,
> I don't see any evidence that you will do a better job growing the community.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.  I guess, we will see, and time will tell. 

I am thinking of restricting membership to those under 35, with a positive,
friendly, non-cliquish attitude.  

I guess I am a believer in the principle, if you want something done
right, you have to it yourself.  Though, I have to say the owner
of Club Kink and the owner of the Fetish Factory are really nice
guys. 

Cheers,
Michael

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RE: How to start a S. Florida BDSM club? - 9/20/2006 7:48:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		I sent you the info & I will also add it to the links section as well as events.

As far as FF.... there are parties held all over the area & the crowd is very diverse. Many members are very young, extremely BEAUTIFUL & each member is given the opportunity to rate thier kinkiness on the membership page & believe me... there be some very kinky folk at these parties. There are two separate parties. I'm not sure who told you they didn't have any parties because they have a monitor right there in the store that shows photos of the parties. I have met the owner there many times over the year & I admit we aren't close friends but he always recognizes me when I walk in & he tells me when the next party is happening. Maybe it wasn't the owner or maybe the person who told you this didn't care to reveal info about the parties to you.

Kink has a mixed crowd, it's just too small for me. CP is a nice spot but it isn't a big wild party type of place but it is excellent for serious players who appreciate a functional place to hang out as well as scene.

I also have one comment to say about this:
quote:

> What is going to be different about this club than the others?

My club would be run by a younger, wilder, less experienced crowd
with fewer ideas about how things ought to be.  It would concentrate
more on singles and on finding partners then on couples who have
been in the scene since time immemorial.    


GREAT!! You will open a place where people will be harassed, injuries will happen & you will create the perfect element of controversy that the media will have a feeding frenzy over. I would highly suggest you find some value in the old fuddy-duddies in this lifestyle. The reason we are long-lived in this is because we are experienced, we know what we are doing & we definitely practice safety as being the most important thing in running a club atmosphere. If you actually get the doors opened on a spot that is managed by novices & let a bunch of novices run wild you're gonna open yourself to huge losses & major lawsuits.

It's obvious that you have not researched the area & basically have no clue about what you are attempting to do...

Try doing a little more research & be sure to post what you find out. You've made a hell of an impression with the thread already. I'm sure that the regs in the area here will stop by your spot if it opens but only because nobody can avoid looking at a car crash or train wreck.

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RE: How to start a S. Florida BDSM club? - 9/20/2006 11:06:08 AM   
WhipTheHip


Posts: 1004
Joined: 7/31/2006
Status: offline 		I hate people who are snobbish, condescending and patronizing.  Okay, I don't
really hate them, but try to keep as much distance between myself and them
as possible.  All these lectures and put-downs.  If I wasn't sure whether or not
I was going to do this, I am now. 

Mettings will be held in my home where I will entertain my guests with food
and drink.  Play parties will be held at Club Kink, and in private homes.  I am
not worried about losses or lawsuits.  I have umbrella insurance coverage that
covers me for everything, and I have faith in myself.

I find it funny how some people think they are indispensible, that only
they know how to do things safely.  What will make my club unique is
the absence of know-it-all pissers, who think others don't have a clue.

I will rent-out Club Kink or some other club on Saturday Nights, or whenever
the members want to get together.  I make everything myself.  Only members
will be permitted, and I will only be allowing members who can prove they
are under 35 with two forms of ID.   My group won't be open to anyone and
everyone who wants to join.   It will be open to all novices under 35. 

I gained a lot of experience judging people when I ran a hotel/rooming house.
I turned away half the people who wanted to rent.   My hotel was the cheapest
hotel on Miami Beach.  I was content with making less money with less
aggrevation.  If I thought any guest had the potential to cause me grief, I
told them I was full and sent them to the Variety Hotel up the street. 

I have a ten-thousand dollar advertising budget, and hope to get free publicity
from the New Times and the Miami Herald.  I am not doing this to make
a profit.

I like nice people who are down to Earth, who are not snobbish, who don't
think they know it all.  I am always willing to listen to others and take
suggestions and recommendations,  but I have a real problem with anyone
who tries to cram anything down my throat.  I love proving people wrong.






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RE: How to start a S. Florida BDSM club? - 9/21/2006 6:20:07 PM   
KnightofMists


Posts: 7149
Joined: 7/29/2005
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quote:

ORIGINAL: WhipTheHip

All these lectures and put-downs.  If I wasn't sure whether or not
I was going to do this, I am now. 


mmmmmm glad to see you are motivated to do it for the right reasons

quote:


Mettings will be held in my home where I will entertain my guests with food
and drink.  Play parties will be held at Club Kink, and in private homes.  I am
not worried about losses or lawsuits.  I have umbrella insurance coverage that
covers me for everything, and I have faith in myself.


Well I think your home would be a perfect!  Just the right size for the number of guests that will attend with room for growth in the membership.

quote:


I find it funny how some people think they are indispensible, that only
they know how to do things safely.  What will make my club unique is
the absence of know-it-all pissers, who think others don't have a clue.


well the absence of know-it-all-pissers... except for one.  

quote:


I will rent-out Club Kink or some other club on Saturday Nights, or whenever
the members want to get together.  I make everything myself.  Only members
will be permitted, and I will only be allowing members who can prove they
are under 35 with two forms of ID.   My group won't be open to anyone and
everyone who wants to join.   It will be open to all novices under 35. 


mmmmmmm 35 uh.. well all I can say is that the life of this group is not going to last much beyond a year...  Unless of course you increase the age so that you can stay a member... your 34 right?


quote:


I gained a lot of experience judging people when I ran a hotel/rooming house.
I turned away half the people who wanted to rent.   My hotel was the cheapest
hotel on Miami Beach.  I was content with making less money with less
aggrevation.  If I thought any guest had the potential to cause me grief, I
told them I was full and sent them to the Variety Hotel up the street. 


yup.. that is great experience... I am sure it will be useful for you.... 


quote:


I have a ten-thousand dollar advertising budget, and hope to get free publicity
from the New Times and the Miami Herald.  I am not doing this to make
a profit.


wow... ten thousand dollars.... oh that should go far and bring them in.. you might need  bigger house.

yes... I can imagine the um free publicity that the newspapers will do.. you might even get some TV... they like trainwrecks.

quote:


I like nice people who are down to Earth, who are not snobbish, who don't
think they know it all. 


They say opposites attract... however in this case.. I don't think it applies.

quote:


I am always willing to listen to others and take
suggestions and recommendations,  but I have a real problem with anyone
who tries to cram anything down my throat.  I love proving people wrong.


so..... you don't like to hear anything that you don't agree with... why am I not surpized.



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RE: How to start a S. Florida BDSM club? - 9/21/2006 8:09:39 PM   
GddssBella


Posts: 343
Joined: 2/24/2004
Status: offline 		G'evening all:


WTH, I merely call them as I see them. Your ignorance as been displayed for all to see without my comments. I questioned you because about those subjects because you included them in the same post. You didn't indicate they were not inclusive.

As to the start up of a bdsm club in Florida, you've already been called on your lack of research, as on so many other threads. You really need to get your ego out of the clouds and stop acting like you got this. Because you do NOT have game kiddo. You prove yourself to be a complete idiot every single time. I highly doubt you are a Mensa member, because they're a lot smarter than you show yourself to be.

What tickles me pink is that this 34 year old wants to restrict membership to his oh-so exclusive club by some arbitrary means (non-cliquish attitude) to people under 35. What the hell will you do when you turn 35? Doish.

There are reasons that people who are a bit older and more experienced in the lifestyle keep pissing on your parade. Because your ego is so inflated and you think you're invincible. You will eventually fall flat on your face. While I'll sell popcorn at the show, I really hope you don't bungle it up for other folks that enjoy the scene in Florida. The up shoot? They'll probably feed you to the gators. *sweet smile*

Do America one big favor. Don't have any kids. The gene pool's been polluted enough.


Stay safe, play nice, & share your toys w/ others...





Bella

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