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RE: second to the ex... - 9/20/2006 7:11:56 PM   
juliaoceania


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My question is why you are defending his actions after asking for advice from others? I have done this when I was younger, ask for advice and then balk when someone said something I did not want to hear, and i did that because what I heard 1) hurt me 2) I did not want to believe what was being said. If you are happy with the situation I would just forget the whole thing and every response you read here, until the next time you get hurt because he is more interested in pleasuring himself with his ex than he is in keeping you safe. Hopefully the next time you will not end up really hurt.

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RE: second to the ex... - 9/20/2006 8:28:11 PM   
yaqeta


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I'm asking for advice on how to communicate with him about this.  And what I balked at wasn't advice, it was criticism, and I felt it was unwarranted and reflected a misunderstanding about the nature of our relationship.

I think its pretty reasonable to feel defensive when I ask "how can I talk to him about this?" and some people respond by saying "he's obviously not good enough/doesn't care/ you should leave".  I am happy with him.  I'm just not good at the talking thing, and wanted some help with that.  I believe in looking at a problem in the context of a whole relationship - if the relationship in general is good, then the problem is worth working on.  If we all wrote our partners off at the first sign of trouble we'd all end up pretty lonely people - and thats not even to mention how we'd deal with the fact that we also have our own failings.

Asking for advice doesn't mean I have to accept unquestioningly everything everyone tells me.  It means I should consider each piece offered on its own merits, keep what is relevant, and have the right to leave behind the bits that don't really fit with my situation.  If I feel some of what is offered reflects the author misunderstanding me, its ok to clarify that.  True, that sometimes we can do what someone else here said and "pick and choose" what we want to hear - but thats for me to judge, not you.  In the end, its my life, I know it better than anyone else here, and I have the right to reject advice that isn't going to work for me.

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RE: second to the ex... - 9/20/2006 11:02:58 PM   
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Good luck and be safe.

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RE: second to the ex... - 9/21/2006 7:13:23 PM   
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Ok Im getting rather angry at the op here. DONT come looking for advise with a half story and then after getting advise discount it and defend your Master its anoying and looks as if you just want attention eather take some of the GOOD advise given here or stop complaining!!!!! You say he is only to fill the Dom/sub need not emtotional please someone tell me any Dom sub relation that isnt emotional. I dont know bit this thread is rubbing me wrong and the OP is getting on my nerves and strikeing me as only wanting attention.

Magik's annoyed slave

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RE: second to the ex... - 9/21/2006 11:03:27 PM   
yaqeta


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:(  I just want advice on how to respectfully talk to him.  Why is that hard to understand?

And why shouldn't I defend him?  I didn't come here to criticise him.  I respect him.  If someone said similar things about your owner, wouldn't you come to his/her defense?

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RE: second to the ex... - 9/22/2006 7:49:31 AM   
BeingChewsie


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Yes. I would.

The best thing may be to write it down and give it to him. I have had to do this with my owner. I come second, third, forth, fifth, sixth to a lot of other things in his life..after all these years I'm comfortable saying "I'm feeling x, y, or z about this" "When you get time can we talk about it?".  I used to put it all down in e-mail and send it to him or handwrite it put it in an enevelope and leave it on the table for him. You should communicate it to him in whatever way you can. Do not let this continue to build. These issues can be addressed and nobody has to leave.

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ORIGINAL: yaqeta

:(  I just want advice on how to respectfully talk to him.  Why is that hard to understand?

And why shouldn't I defend him?  I didn't come here to criticise him.  I respect him.  If someone said similar things about your owner, wouldn't you come to his/her defense?

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RE: second to the ex... - 9/22/2006 8:40:51 AM   
MsKatHouston


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"Sir, I am having a problem and am feeling a little uneasy about something and would like to discuss it with you if I may"

(wait for agreement to discuss)

"I am sorry, but I am not very good at expressing these things but I did not want this to fester so thought it best to bring this up now.  I wrote it out (show him this thread, write out your points without the additional comments, use it to keep you on track during talk) so I cover everything."

"while I enjoy our relationship and I really like your ex, there have been occasions where I felt vulnerable..."

go into detail..

do not be defensive, do not be accusatory, discuss rationally even if he is not.  Now, if he is not and completely discounts your feelings on the matter then you have some analysis to do on your feelings and what you can and can not live with based on his reaction to your feelings and future actions.  He may very well say "deal with it, tough", "I am sorry, I will do X, Y and Z to try to put you at ease" or something in the middle.  He has the right to deal with it however he wishes.  You have the right to live with it or not.  Good luck.

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RE: second to the ex... - 9/25/2006 9:12:00 AM   
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Ok, i see it.  Dun mind them, remeber humans are fallible.. so they're being fallible now.  Asking  simple question on these boards is NEVER simple.  = )  You're right most arent answering your question - all they're doing is jumping all over everything else giving their opionons on a situation that isnt up for questions.  They like drama, so be it.  Used to happen to me alot, sucked me in majorly - you just need to learn how to phrase your question in a way that they cant do it.  You need to add disclaimers and such.  LOL 

i've even actually gotten to the point of using something else to ask a question.  If i've a question about something.. i use something else to ask about it - leaving my relationship out of the question.  And i'd give you an example.. but i'm smarter then that now = )  So, my best advice if have a question, dont bring your relationship into it.  It'll be cross examined, everyone will have an opionon and everyone will think they've a right and yer wrong and you'll end up feeling like a retard going "whoaaaaaa this got way out of hand! help!" 

Just a tid bit of advice.  The boards are a good place, but in order to get what you want here you need to figure out how to lay it out in such a way to not expose anything you dont want questioned.  OR get a rep like mine and half of em will just ignore you anyways but  you'll get a few really good responses that you can digest.  = )  Helps cut through most of the bs from alot of the posters.  And remember, thick skin is a must.

TO ANSWER your frackin question!  I'd start with something like Master, your girl (or slave.. w/e) requests permission to speak.  (once given)  Master you're girl requests permission to bring up something bothering her.  or something upseting her, or something she is unclear on, or request to ask a question, or something that she is unsure how to say, but feels it is her duty to say it. (its okay to not always be on your mark when speaking with a Master) 

basically request permission to bring up the topic in whatever way you feel best.  Try different things out in your mind.  Try to foresee his reaction and try to figure out the best way to say it with the best non negative reaction.  ONCE you've brought it up, and all permissions have been given..

it doesnt hurt to restate that you KNOW what your position is and you are okay with it. Something like "i know i am a slave and i am as you choose and that all is up to you and i'm very happy with everything, but there is something that has been bothering me lately and i am not sure how to go about dealing with it"  Go on to say "the other night, i felt that my safety was in danger because i felt proper attention while i was being scened with was lacking - (this will be the hard part to say) because you were more focused on your ex then what was going on with me.  (this is where i'd put in my disclaimer of knowing i was second.. and thats okay.. but the safety issue really bothered me)  and i'd also use the bringing up of second to open up the other issue of "and sometimes even though i am fine with it, i still sometimes have problems with being second"  And if he asks about those problems go into it.  Make sure to NOT overstep your place, thats really important.. try and be respectful.. try not to be accusatory.. try to basically in the best way, from your place speak of what is upseting you.

hope this helps. 

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ORIGINAL: yaqeta

:(  I just want advice on how to respectfully talk to him.  Why is that hard to understand?

And why shouldn't I defend him?  I didn't come here to criticise him.  I respect him.  If someone said similar things about your owner, wouldn't you come to his/her defense?


< Message edited by RiotGirl -- 9/25/2006 9:13:33 AM >

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RE: second to the ex... - 9/25/2006 10:34:58 AM   
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If he left her you have a chance, but if she left him, you are only a placeholder.

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RE: second to the ex... - 9/25/2006 9:06:29 PM   
yaqeta


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ty, RiotGirl, it helps a LOT.  Your advice on my problem and on dealing with the people on these boards, lol.  I was beginning to wonder if I'd come to the wrong space - but as you say I probably just need to learn how to use it better.  In other forums I've always lurked and made a few simple statements to test the water and figure out how the posters generally communicate before climbing in and really getting involved - this is the first time I just dived straight in and the water temperature and current were not what I was prepared for... to take an analogy perhaps a little too far.... lol....

Ty also MsKatHouston and BeingChewsie for your help, I appreciated it...

And CrappyDom, I just have to say I LOVE your nick :)
Oh, and that given my Master is as poly as I am, and some lovely, appreciative conversations we have had, I don't really believe I am a placeholder.  And if I was, I don't think I'd really mind anyway...

Now, I must resist temptation to say anything more that will make my relationship open to others who would like to think its their business, and just LET THIS THREAD DIE...... lol.....


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RE: second to the ex... - 9/25/2006 9:29:45 PM   
Sensualips


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Relationship issues aside, I have another question.

Why were you wholly reliant on him for your safety?  I mean, do you not have some responsibility for your self and own safety -- to make your top/play partner aware of potential problems? Or is it a situation where you have given your master complete authority in that area?

Maybe that is another issue to clarify, distinct from the ex.

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