LadyEllen
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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver
If god lit the blue touchpaper and stood back and watched his creation with indifference, then god isn't worth acknowledging.
If god is omnipotent and watches the misery of his creation with indifference, then god is a vindictive sadist.
If god has created us and placed us in this universe to learn, then he is also a vindictive sadist because god could snap his fingers and teach us everything.
In the bible this vindictive god orders genocide and encourages murder etc etc.
None of it adds up. All science does is give a rational alternative to this mixed up psychopathic raving lunatic of a diety and any other diety which is more benigh but impotent.
I promised myself I wouldnt get involved in this dead end discussion any further, having "skewered the scientific rationalists" as Seeks observed.
But the above illustrates again, that condemning religion solely on the basis of one very incoherent religion - and a religion which arose from the religion of a tribe of misogynistic untouchable desert slaves of entirely different society and culture to us at that, whilst easy is not correct.
Put it this way; I agree with every one of MC's statements above, even the benign but impotent deity comment. I will go further - the sooner this confused morass of blithering rubbish is distilled of all the trash that surrounds it, the better. The sooner Christianity becomes what it is - the "saving of souls" (emotive, but such is the term of reference) by way of faith in Jesus as saviour, and discards 90% of its nonsense addenda (99% of the OT, and most of the NT) as well as all of the "heritage" it has incurred by way of the Church, the better - for none of that nonsense is required for the salvation to be effective, (and whether we see it as a psychological or spiritual effect, it is effective), and only tends to obscure and hinder what is vital.
Even better, the sooner this vile foreign cancer is removed from every facet of our laws, societies and culture, the sooner we will be able to live without of all the bullshit it has brought with it. Maybe I am biased, and I do acknowledge that a lot of good works have been performed by Christians (notably not the majority who use that name), but every single problem I see in our culture, stems from some piece of outlandish rubbish advanced by or arising from that religion. Including, since it has been brought up earlier, the phenomenon of naziism.
In short, wrong God - not God at all in fact, wrong everything from that initial flaw, in what is being called religion in much of this thread. In such a situation it is easy to demolish religion, and it is a demolition I will gladly participate in if we are to restrict ourselves to this particular cult. But demolishing one religion because of the obvious flaws in its entire construction, does not demolish Religion as a whole (in its true, all encompassing sense), and does not invalidate the idea of God, by whatever nature we understand that concept.
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