NeedToUseYou -> RE: Dawkins on "God" and the Flying Spagetti Monster (12/31/2006 5:39:15 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Chaingang You are blithely skipping past my central point - religious fanatics have no problem accepting science when it comes to things like autos, computers, electric lights, gas ranges, etc. Just all of a sudden when discussing this whole "god delusion" science becomes quackery. If science puts the apple on the table and fills the belly too, then what good is god? Why bother believing in something that exists only as a silly if persistent notion in one's head? More bluntly: Our objective reality is predicated on scientific knowledge. And no one complains about that. What does religion bring to the party? Religion ultimately brings escape from death, or the belief anyway. It makes pain and suffering a useful sacrifice for reward in the afterlife, instead of a useless meaningless experience. It gives a purpose and accountability for the actions one takes in life. It provides a reason to restrain ones urges. Anyway, it can do those things, but it can also be used to manipulate, but I don't think most people get into it for that aspect. I think people need to believe that perfection is a reality and improvement is certain, and this dirty speck of a planet, is just a passing nightmare, not the be all end all of reality. That is as well as I can reason it out. I'm not sure why science and religion must be in conflict either. If one believes in God then one must believe God made the oil for the purpose of us using it for our benefit. If God made Genes and gave us the intellect to find and figure them out, well maybe he does want us to perfect them. The only real conflict between the bible and science is the whole evolution thing( to narrow down to one religion), which isn't a prerequisite for a belief in God, so disproving that doesn't disprove God even. If you disprove evolution all you did was disqualify one act that God was supposed to have done. You wouldn't have ruled out God. And it would be written off as human error in writing the timeline down, or attributed to a different timline, or something else. One can't take away faith, I really BELIEVE(no facts just gut feeling), that everyone believes in something. Some believe science will save us, some believe a perfect form of government will save us. Some believe that aliens will save us. Some believe love will save them. Some believe god will save us. So, what do you believe will save us? Once you answer that you may be able to provide certain history showing a certain progression, but it's not proof or fact that it will occur, but it doesn't change the fact that most believe it as fact all the same. In the end I've never met a person that didn't have faith/belief in something that isn't provable. I'd guess you have faith in science and reasoning will save us. You have more data to show and speculate on a trend but no real proof, just belief.
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