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Chaingang -> Politics for Dummies (9/29/2006 11:58:53 AM)

"Woodward: Kissinger advises White House on Iraq"

He said Kissinger, who served in the Nixon and Ford administrations, has been telling Bush and Cheney that "in Iraq, he declared very simply, 'Victory is the only meaningful exit strategy."'

"This is so fascinating. Kissinger's fighting the Vietnam War again because, in his view, the problem in Vietnam was we lost our will."

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/29/books.woodward.ap/index.html?section=cnn_topstories

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Kissinger owns a consulting firm, Kissinger Associates, and is a partner in Kissinger McLarty Associates with Mack McLarty, former Chief of Staff to President Bill Clinton. He also serves on various boards of directors including Gulfstream Aerospace[12] and Hollinger International, a Chicago-based newspaper group[13].

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Kissinger

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Kissinger Associates and its affiliate, Kissinger McLarty Associates, provide strategic advisory and advocacy services to a select group of U.S. and multinational companies. The firms provide high-level intervention regarding special projects, assist their clients to identify strategic partners and investment opportunities, and advise clients on government relations throughout the world.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Kissinger_Associates%2C_Inc.

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Think about it.

Draw the dotted lines in your imagination, run down their lengths. What does it tell you about this guy, the two political parties, and the significance of national borders in the era of the multinationals? This guy was in on the China deal back in the 70s - he brokered the deal!

And some actually want you to believe that politics matters in the traditional sense of things. People, "politics as usual" simply will not do any longer.

They wrap it up in Old Glory, tell you Jesus sent them, and then stab you in the back politically. Do you really even question that what I am describing is reality? This is about greed and undermining every value you hold dear for a few dollars more.

Let me help you with the translation:
"Victory is the only meaningful exit strategy."
means
"We aren't leaving without total fucking control of that oil!"

They don't care about US or the U.S., they don't care if the war debt will break the backs of every taxpayer for the next millennium, they don't care if you or your children have jobs or healthcare or anything. They don't care if the U.S. slips into a banana republic - in fact, I believe they are doing some things intentionally to create that very effect. American ideology and free thought are dangerous to them a few moves out from the present time and situation. These people aren't concerned about strategies that help out the good old USofA - they are playing on a larger chessboard than that. Multinationals rule the day.

They want what they want and they are taking it now - in advance, they lay claim to what is not theirs.

The real issues at stake RIGHT NOW and in the next several years to come are these, and none of them is expendable if you want your kids to live anything like the life you led:
* Universal healthcare - when you are worried about life/death it's very hard to concentrate
* Foreign policy - making friends instead of war
* New energy policies - oil isn't that important
* Campaign finance reform - term limits (break the money/power connection)
* Electronic voting - election theft must end
* Corporate responsibility - limits on corporate power (should be its own thread)

Yup, we have left everything to the last possible minute. The next few years will tell the tale. I don't have kids myself so my concern is for the continuing generations of others.




popeye1250 -> RE: Politics for Dummies (9/29/2006 1:06:12 PM)

We have a seperation of Church and State and we should have a seperation of Big Business and State as well.
This just goes to show how infested our govt. is by Big Business calling the shots instead of the people!
All of the Kissinger types seem to have "Lobbying" firms on "K" street in Washington.
Why should they have more of a say in our govt than the people?
"Lobbyists" should be outlawed.
If they want to converse with their congressmen or senators they can sit down at their kitchen table and write a letter just like anyone else.




Chaingang -> RE: Politics for Dummies (9/29/2006 1:34:51 PM)

"The Corporation"
3 Hrs.

THE CORPORATION explores the nature and spectacular rise of the dominant institution of our time. Footage from pop culture, advertising, TV news, and corporate propaganda, illuminates the corporation's grip on our lives. Taking its legal status as a "person" to its logical conclusion, the film puts the corporation on the psychiatrist's couch to ask "What kind of person is it?" Provoking, witty, sweepingly informative, The Corporation includes forty interviews with corporate insiders and critics - including Milton Friedman, Noam Chomsky, Naomi Klein, and Michael Moore - plus true confessions, case studies and strategies for change.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=477657687600676437&q=the+corporation&hl=en

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"I hope that we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country." -Thomas Jefferson, 1816.




meatcleaver -> RE: Politics for Dummies (9/29/2006 2:09:45 PM)

I wonder if Kissenger thinks bombing Jordon to the stoneage would improve the situation in Iraq.

Apparently if Kissenger set foot in Belgium he could be arrested on suspicion of war crimes. They have a law where victims from any country can apply to the Belgium courts to have a case investigated against a person from any other country. It would be a good idea if all western countries had a similar law, it would make western politicians think twice about their pretending to be more holier than third world dictators.




philosophy -> RE: Politics for Dummies (9/29/2006 5:22:30 PM)

"We have a seperation of Church and State and we should have a seperation of Big Business and State as well."

...this seems eminently sensible. How do we best achieve it, given that the barrier between church and state seems to be blurring?




sissifytoserve -> RE: Politics for Dummies (9/29/2006 5:24:20 PM)

Politics.

Comes from the words.....


POLY = Many

TICKS = Blood sucking Insects




philosophy -> RE: Politics for Dummies (9/29/2006 5:25:26 PM)

"Politics.

Comes from the words.....


POLY = Many

TICKS = Blood sucking Insects "

....incorrect, it comes from the greek 'polis'.........it's to do with the governance of cities.




sissifytoserve -> RE: Politics for Dummies (9/29/2006 5:27:58 PM)

Hmmm....I thought it was funny/true...... Anyway...moving on......


quote:

....incorrect, it comes from the greek 'polis'.........it's to do with the governance of cities.



Or how about GOVERN_MENT.

GOVERN = Control

MENT = Mind


Mind Control of the masses.




TheGlassGuitar -> RE: Politics for Dummies (9/29/2006 5:30:30 PM)

“Fascism should rightly be called Corporatism, as it is the merger of corporate and government power." Benito Mussolini




philosophy -> RE: Politics for Dummies (9/29/2006 5:30:43 PM)

sissify.......do you actually know much about etymology?




sissifytoserve -> RE: Politics for Dummies (9/29/2006 5:36:16 PM)

No...but I do know a lot more about calling it like I see it.




philosophy -> RE: Politics for Dummies (9/29/2006 5:41:46 PM)

"No...but I do know a lot more about calling it like I see it."

...pity......would make your definitions a tad more accurate. Do you really think name calling is a useful political tool? Or should such debate be based on honestly held beliefs? 
By going for these juvenile political gags, you lose credibility. Which again is a pity, because there have been points you have made that deserve greater attention.




sissifytoserve -> RE: Politics for Dummies (9/29/2006 5:52:17 PM)

Oh well.....we can't all agree on everything.

I could care less if I have the approval of academia or the politically correct crowd.

BOTH seem to have a lot of resistance to change IMHO.




Chaingang -> RE: Politics for Dummies (9/29/2006 6:56:27 PM)

I shall try to steer the thread back on course with this:

"U.S. Congress restricts Bush on Iraq spending"
http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2006-09-29T231516Z_01_N26377365_RTRUKOC_0_US-IRAQ-CONGRESS.xml&src=rss

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Congress on Friday moved to block the Bush administration from building permanent U.S. military bases in Iraq or controlling the country's oil sector, as it approved $70 billion for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The restrictions included in a record $447 billion military funding bill were a slap at the administration, and Republicans have stripped them out of legislation in the past.

Democrats and many Republicans say the Iraqi insurgency has been fueled by perceptions the United States has ambitions for a permanent presence in the country.

The administration has downplayed prospects for permanent military bases in Iraq, but lawmakers have called on President George W. Bush to make a definitive statement that the United States has no such plans.

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Uh-huh...

Okay. So we aren't just there to help our Iraqi buddies out are we? We are there to set up shop and effectively take over, even if from behind the scenes with some kind of puppet show out front.

And this is why they spend your money: to take over Iraq. Didn't you realize?

It was an invasion. It is an occupation.




UtopianRanger -> RE: Politics for Dummies (9/29/2006 8:53:09 PM)


quote:

Kissinger owns a consulting firm, Kissinger Associates, and is a partner in Kissinger McLarty Associates with Mack McLarty, former Chief of Staff to President Bill Clinton. He also serves on various boards of directors including Gulfstream Aerospace[12] and Hollinger International, a Chicago-based newspaper group[13].


Ok....but how come Madeline Albright isn't mentioned along with these other parasites?

Pretty much shores up what I've been saying about the leadership and the folks who drive policy in both parties - They're almost identical.

But to the average person who comes home, drinks a beer and watches Katy Couric after work, guys like Kissinger are glorified as brilliant dignitaries and saviors of the free world - That's frustrating as hell for anyone who's done just a tad bit of homework.

And the worst thing about a guy like Kissinger.....is he just seems to live forever; while constantly keeping his grubby hands in our cookie jar.


 - R




Chaingang -> RE: Politics for Dummies (9/29/2006 9:06:22 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger
quote:

...Mack McLarty, former Chief of Staff to President Bill Clinton.

Ok....but how come Madeline Albright isn't mentioned along with these other parasites?


Oh, I was absolutely equating all of these assholes one to the others. You know that...

It's always a fight between the right and the extreme right. Americans have lost all perspective on most issues.




BlkTallFullfig -> Politics Made Simple (9/29/2006 9:13:53 PM)

Thanks for the links and lessons in life/politics, but can I just object to the title "...for dummies."   I've always hated that arrogant phuck who wrote all the books for dummies, and I never bought them in protest to the title.
I much prefer the "don't know much about..." series of books.
Now back to your regularly scheduled intelligent debate. [8D] M




UtopianRanger -> RE: Politics for the lazy or those would rather play with their toys (9/29/2006 9:33:51 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig

Thanks for the links and lessons in life/politics, but can I just object to the title "...for dummies."   I've always hated that arrogant phuck who wrote all the books for dummies, and I never bought them in protest to the title.
I much prefer the "don't know much about..." series of books.
Now back to your regularly scheduled intelligent debate. [8D] M


I agree, M - Wholeheartedly. My contention has always been that they are not dummies at all.....but instead, either subdued by laziness or their toys - And I assure you... they will pay for it one day.


 - R




Chaingang -> RE: Politics for the lazy or those would rather play with their toys (9/29/2006 10:45:36 PM)

Tough crowd. How's this?

http://www.strangepolitics.com/images/content/14566.JPG




BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Politics Made Simple! (9/29/2006 10:49:49 PM)

[sm=biggrin.gif]   LMAO, This I liked a lot.




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