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RE: Football help? - 9/30/2006 10:17:55 AM   
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RE: Football help? - 9/30/2006 1:28:33 PM   
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RE: Football help? - 9/30/2006 1:30:33 PM   
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RE: Football help? - 9/30/2006 7:03:18 PM   
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RE: Football help? - 9/30/2006 8:03:06 PM   
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How can you tell which players are good or bad, when the entire game appears to be so utterly chaotic?

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RE: Football help? - 9/30/2006 8:36:06 PM   
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How can you tell which players are good or bad, when the entire game appears to be so utterly chaotic?

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RE: Football help? - 10/1/2006 4:49:53 AM   
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Just a British question.

How can you tell which players are good or bad, when the entire game appears to be so utterly chaotic?

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Ellen, this is one way of knowing who is good:

http://www.dallascowboys.com

All others are evil incarnate.

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RE: Football help? - 10/1/2006 6:52:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		I hate to contradict,  but,  Andre Davis,  of the Cleveland Browns is an active player.  He plays Defense,  Special teams and third down offensive situations.  It is rare,  but still happens

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look here:

http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/alphabetical.html

one of my favorites is Chuck Bednarik -- I think he was the last one to play both offense and defense. Amongh other things, he is well known for clobbering Frank Gifford -- at the time some people wondered if he killed him.


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RE: Football help? - 10/1/2006 7:00:12 AM   
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I hate to contradict,  but,  Andre Davis,  of the Cleveland Browns is an active player.  He plays Defense,  Special teams and third down offensive situations.  It is rare,  but still happens

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look here:

http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/alphabetical.html

one of my favorites is Chuck Bednarik -- I think he was the last one to play both offense and defense. Amongh other things, he is well known for clobbering Frank Gifford -- at the time some people wondered if he killed him.




You're right, ohbiguy. William "The Fridge" Perry did it in the 80s as well.

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RE: Football help? - 10/1/2006 9:01:14 AM   
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How do they decide jersey numbers for players who do both?  Aren't jersey numbers indicative of playing position?


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RE: Football help? - 10/1/2006 10:15:10 AM   
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All I can say is those guys are super special.
How do they decide jersey numbers for players who do both?  Aren't jersey numbers indicative of playing position?



You're right, Katy, the numbers are assigned depending on posistion, if a player goes both ways, the primary posistion determines the number.
 
Ah, the days of my youth when a QB like John Hadl wore number 21.

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RE: Football help? - 10/1/2006 10:21:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you Level.  I had a feeling that the primary position would seal the deal on the number.

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RE: Football help? - 10/1/2006 10:38:43 AM   
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I hate to contradict,  but,  Andre Davis,  of the Cleveland Browns is an active player.  He plays Defense,  Special teams and third down offensive situations.  It is rare,  but still happens

Sorry, but playing on one side of the ball and occasionally in select situations on the other is not in the same class as what guys like Bednarik and others of his time and before did. They were starters on both sides of the ball -- for example, Bednarik would snap for the offensive series including a punt then walk down the field to play LB.

There is a good reason they refer to the old timers as "iron men", and modern occasional two way players such as Andre Davis and Deion Sanders just ain't. Let us know if you can find anyone who plays enough to match this quote from Bednarik's HOF profile:

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His athletic abilities and inspirational play was particularly evident in 1960 when injuries forced the Eagles to ask their 12-year veteran to again play both sides of the line. The 35-year-old was sensational. He finished the campaign with a 58-minute performance, capped by a game-saving tackle in the Eagles' NFL championship victory over Green Bay.



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RE: Football help? - 10/1/2006 2:12:10 PM   
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All I can say is those guys are super special.
How do they decide jersey numbers for players who do both?  Aren't jersey numbers indicative of playing position?



You're right, Katy, the numbers are assigned depending on posistion, if a player goes both ways, the primary posistion determines the number.
 
Ah, the days of my youth when a QB like John Hadl wore number 21.

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RE: Football help? - 10/1/2006 4:43:54 PM   
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Yes, but, also, the current numbering system only dates to 1973.  In the old days, when two-way players were more common, a player's number didn't tell you his position on the field.

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All I can say is those guys are super special.
How do they decide jersey numbers for players who do both?  Aren't jersey numbers indicative of playing position?



You're right, Katy, the numbers are assigned depending on posistion, if a player goes both ways, the primary posistion determines the number.
 
Ah, the days of my youth when a QB like John Hadl wore number 21.



True. Otto Graham wore number 00. It was still somewhat "regulated" though.

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RE: Football help? - 10/1/2006 4:51:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is Not a mean spirited question, just very curious...What is the fasination that men have with football?

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RE: Football help? - 10/1/2006 4:54:37 PM   
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RE: Football help? - 10/1/2006 4:59:02 PM   
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This is Not a mean spirited question, just very curious...What is the fasination that men have with football?


Well, alot of us played it as kids and young men, and developed a love of it. It is a game that showcases skill, courage, teamwork, and it gives us something to bet on and argue about, and sometimes, it gives us heroes to emulate, and that isn't always such a bad thing.
 

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RE: Football help? - 10/1/2006 5:00:06 PM   
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I like it when men get all football geeky.     


I'm looking for a woman to sit on my lap while I discuss the merits of the 4-3 defense as opposed to the 3-4.

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RE: Football help? - 10/1/2006 5:04:30 PM   
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