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Travis Frey's Contract... - 10/9/2006 2:56:12 PM

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Okay, so this guy was/is whacked, I grant that...b/c of the downloaded "unmentionable pRon" However, reading over his "rules" for his wife...which he states in the paperwork is not a contract and can be renegotiated every quarter...it doesn't seem to be a lot of demands, to me.

I'm sure my perspective is skewed, b/c of my lifestyle preferences, but really, what's the big deal? He wanted her nekkid, shaved, and not bitchy...basically. The "contract" is posted here...

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0217062contract1.html

Obviously, if none of the activities engaged in by the parties involved was consensual, there is a major problem. But, who's to judge what actually went on? Perhaps his wife changed her mind and knew she'd get the kids and a good settlement if she outed him?

I know it's been a while since this all came out...but I never read the "contract" till today. It sortof made me reconsider if he was such a bad guy...

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RE: Travis Frey's Contract... - 10/12/2006 8:39:44 AM

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Now that I've read the document, I would have to agree that it doesn't seem quite so bad as the mother fornicating media would like to have believed.

I would be willing to bet that if more vanilla wives would voluntarily comply with half the rules in that document, the divorce rate would drop dramatically.

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RE: Travis Frey's Contract... - 10/12/2006 5:06:22 PM

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I am a slave, and even to me that contract is terrable, not to mention she never even sighned it.

The contract is for a completly onesided relationship she wasnt aloud to show any unhappyness that isnt healthy I know my Master incurages me to show all my emotions he always tell me how my emotions can never be wrong. She wants even aloud to ask for anyhing, Master allows me to express anything I may need or want to him... If its a want there is no garentee Ill get it(I usualy if not always do though) but Im incuraged to always make these things known.

He even refers to her as a "sex slave" in part of that contract... The entire thing is wrong I wouldnt sighn or agree to something like that and I have no limits with my Master but I would never have no limits with a man that would treat me the way his wife was treated She was given very little room to even be human!!!!!

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RE: Travis Frey's Contract... - 10/14/2006 9:53:21 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Schmerzmeister
I would be willing to bet that if more vanilla wives would voluntarily comply with half the rules in that document, the divorce rate would drop dramatically.

I wouldn't be surprised if that were the case if vanilla husbands did the same...

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RE: Travis Frey's Contract... - 10/14/2006 9:58:27 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MagiksSlave

I am a slave, and even to me that contract is terrable, not to mention she never even sighned it.

The contract is for a completly onesided relationship she wasnt aloud to show any unhappyness that isnt healthy I know my Master incurages me to show all my emotions he always tell me how my emotions can never be wrong. She wants even aloud to ask for anyhing, Master allows me to express anything I may need or want to him... If its a want there is no garentee Ill get it(I usualy if not always do though) but Im incuraged to always make these things known.

He even refers to her as a "sex slave" in part of that contract... The entire thing is wrong I wouldnt sighn or agree to something like that and I have no limits with my Master but I would never have no limits with a man that would treat me the way his wife was treated She was given very little room to even be human!!!!!

Magik's slave

But simply b/c someone's relationship is different than yours, is it automatically wrong?

I feel in that document that there was time for renegotiation and she did get days off as reward. Also, nothing applied when the kids were awake. She had all day to complain if she wanted to, just not between the hours of the kids' bedtime and theirs...

I just don't see how it was that harsh, compared to some of the relationships I know...

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RE: Travis Frey's Contract... - 10/14/2006 5:46:10 PM

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I personally have to agree. This is relatively mild compared some of the contracts I have seen. And those were SIGNED. Arguably this lifestyle is not for everyone and perhaps not for her, or maybe she is using the contract as a way to gain public support and perhaps before that was complaint. We may never know. I do know this though, as much as people complain or openly attack our lifestyle, I remind them for the past few thousand years women were little more than property and in many countries today are little more so still. Being given a point of negotiation is generally unheard of in those cultures and can result in being killed. Perhaps a little bit of thankfulness might be in order?

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RE: Travis Frey's Contract... - 10/15/2006 7:24:14 PM

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Perhaps a little bit of thankfulness might be in order?

Thankful? Me? Or his wife?
I'm confused...

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RE: Travis Frey's Contract... - 10/16/2006 8:20:25 PM

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I certainly won't bend over backwards to be thankful for a basic human right. Being a sub/slave is a choice, and not remotely related to basic human freedoms.

I can't tell from the article whether or not this was her choice, and to me, that makes all the difference in the world--no one should EVER be forced to live in oppression.

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RE: Travis Frey's Contract... - 10/16/2006 8:53:51 PM

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'No one should ever be forced to live in oppression.'

'Imagine a boot stamping a human face, forever.'

This is a case of cognitive dissonance. I often tell those who advertise themselves to me as 'true' slaves that there's plenty of work for them in South Africa, and they would get all the degrading and humiliation they could possibly want there.

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RE: Travis Frey's Contract... - 10/17/2006 12:01:36 PM

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I certainly won't bend over backwards to be thankful for a basic human right. Being a sub/slave is a choice, and not remotely related to basic human freedoms.

I can't tell from the article whether or not this was her choice, and to me, that makes all the difference in the world--no one should EVER be forced to live in oppression.

I'm aware of that...which is why I put this in my original post...

" Obviously, if none of the activities engaged in by the parties involved was consensual, there is a major problem. But, who's to judge what actually went on? Perhaps his wife changed her mind and knew she'd get the kids and a good settlement if she outed him? "

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RE: Travis Frey's Contract... - 10/19/2006 1:55:31 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: abytchgoddess4u

quote:

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I certainly won't bend over backwards to be thankful for a basic human right. Being a sub/slave is a choice, and not remotely related to basic human freedoms.

I can't tell from the article whether or not this was her choice, and to me, that makes all the difference in the world--no one should EVER be forced to live in oppression.

I'm aware of that...which is why I put this in my original post...

" Obviously, if none of the activities engaged in by the parties involved was consensual, there is a major problem. But, who's to judge what actually went on? Perhaps his wife changed her mind and knew she'd get the kids and a good settlement if she outed him? "

Yeah, and I agreed with the point you were making in the OP--I just didn't agree with the gentleman who suggested that a little thankfulness was in order--I don't think that the fact that many countries do allow the abuse of women is a reason to bend over backwards to be thankful to our laws if/when abuse happens here.

Like I said (and I think you said too), if it was consesual, to each his own...if not....obviously that's not okay, and I think most anyone here would agree with that.

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RE: Travis Frey's Contract... - 11/15/2006 9:15:39 AM

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I agree with both of your points. Especially when consensual as you said to to each their own.

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RE: Travis Frey's Contract... - 11/18/2006 7:07:29 PM

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i'm sure this guy could have found a number of women who would have had no problem with his contract. He'd just have to advertise it on a BDSM site. Looks like a M/s contract, though i've never seen a 'real' one.
If she didn't sign it, he should have known she wasn't interested in that sort of situation before they got married.

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RE: Travis Frey's Contract... - 11/19/2006 4:21:12 AM

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*finishes looking at the contract and isn't sure whether to laugh, simply stare or just print that out and refer to it on days when i swear things could not be worse*

...you know....that sounds bad in some sections but on whole, i do believe that the papers weren't unreasonable for someone who wanted and enjoyed that kind of lifestyle or power exchange. Frey should have published it on a bdsm site and he might have had a little gathering of girls willing to line up for his inspections. He never made stipulations about the wife's physical appearance, choice of hair and make up, jewelry and tops. Didn't restrict her diet and outer home activities, in home things she wanted to do for enjoyment beyond his 'me' time and such or even how to raise their family.

Kind of lax in relation to all other aspects of their life not pertaining to her sexual service to him and appealing to his sight. Hmm...though the indication of cuddling suggests he did care greatly about her if there are those who feel he did not love her. He was careful about their interaction not being visually revealed to her friends, guests of the house, the children and their respective families....

Dunno...this feels like she could have walked away quietly without really outing him if she desired to.

Thank You for this topic of discussion. Safe Journeys.

P.S. If men who weren't fully shaved kept theirs to a neat 1/3'', they'd find better reception for oral. Nuzzling the pubes is hot. Flossing with them is Not.

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RE: Travis Frey's Contract... - 11/19/2006 5:03:11 AM

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Before i got into the life style i was a police officer, so i have a unqie view of both sides inside and out of anything about the lifestyle. As far as this contract goes, i have to fist point out that it is poorly written, and never (That we can see) signed.
Also please note that there isn't really anthing that would make this lifestyle, this is just a husband trying to get laid more offten, and what appears is that he is power hungry.
To the completly vanilla world, to law enforcement and legal system, this paper would be down right disgusting and outragous. Had the form said CONSENUTAL SUMBMISSION or something along those lines some where along with her sig then it would still be a stink in court, but not as bad as this one was.
To the legal system, one has to remeber that in the US slavery is illegal so anything that resymbles it at all will causes an out cry, along with any type of sex or unknown bedroom activitys that are not missonary postion in nature. Most in the legal system and law enforcement are uptight old fashion people.
There are some, that like me, see the lifestyle as just that.. a way of life, others hold the same feelings toward it as they do devil worship.
Yes.. this man was a wantabe Dom, who asked his wife to sign a contact or List of rules... but come on.... HE ASKED, and she had the choice to say no... which she did apparently.
but ya know thats my opinon on this matter, and now i will shut up.

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RE: Travis Frey's Contract... - 11/19/2006 2:12:50 PM

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Tal and greetings

I have never found any use for a contract. I have used written understands where it may have been needed for things like medical emergencies if something happened or medical conditions. My experience with these so called "Contracts" is that they are used by one of the parties as a means of legal defense should they have to appear in court...usually it a criminal trial.

I wish you well

Nosathro

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