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Slave Training? - 10/11/2006 10:07:40 AM   
GirlyDevil


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Status: offline 		Hello to all,
  This is a question for all to answer:
I would really like to train my new slave, but not sure how. What do you do in order to teach the slave to obey and listen? I've tried looking up slave training here on the boards but really couldn't find anything. Does any also know of any good websites to go into on this matter?
Thank you
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RE: Slave Training? - 10/11/2006 10:10:44 AM   
becca333


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Status: offline 		Get a good 'How to train your dog' manual, and start with 'sit' and 'stay'.  Then move on to 'roll over' and 'play dead'.

Or, wait until you know what you're doing.  If the slave is a novice too, then you both need to get some guidance from people who are a lot more experienced - perhaps you can find someone in your area who can train you both.

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RE: Slave Training? - 10/11/2006 10:10:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		Your best bet would be to look at physical trainers and their methods.  What makes you feel you would be a good trainer?

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RE: Slave Training? - 10/11/2006 10:22:52 AM   
mnottertail


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Is this owned thing a male or female?

By example you might read the 48 Laws of Power, by Robert Greene.

People, when they recognize it as such, do what is in their own best self-interest.......

The easy solution to have someone obey is to beat the living shit out of them if they don't.........course that ain't going to be a long term thing.

The easiest way to have someone listen to you if they wander in their thoughts at inappropriate times is to clip vicegrips on their ears as a focal point for improving listening skills.

Now, barring the short term slash and burn..............

What is it's motivation?  What does it desire?  How closely are; or how closely can these goals be aligned with yours?

Really, we are only talking actions and consequences..........don't fool yourself, it is a two-way street. 

The simple answer, is to buy a book on dog obedience training (better yet would be pig obedience training since they have independant thought and their basic motivation is not necessarily to please your ass) but........

Humans are animals at their core, don't doubt it.  The needs and wants are really quite simple once all the glitz is stripped away......

Finally, do not discount the fact that "Because that's what I want" is a perfectly valid reason, but not the ONLY reason.

Still I look,
to find a reason;
to believe----

Maggie May (Rod Stewart)  

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RE: Slave Training? - 10/11/2006 10:25:17 AM   
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I prefer to have the basics of ability to behave and listen already there.  The desire to do that comes from me and from time forming our relationship.  What I train on are the specific preferences I have in regards to play, protocol, etc.  So, I think you should start with evaluating your own desires and needs to determine what exactly you want to train on.  Knowing that will help you look for specific techniques. 

What are your goals for this training?

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RE: Slave Training? - 10/11/2006 10:30:17 AM   
becca333


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Status: offline 		I pity the poor sod sitting there waiting to be trained while its mistress runs around in circles trying to find a handbook.  Doesn't really inspire confidence, I'd have thought.

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RE: Slave Training? - 10/11/2006 10:56:00 AM   
Rover


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Status: offline 		Well, you could run out and get a copy of Miss Abernathy's Slave Training Manual (lotsa reading required), or perhaps send her to Butchmann's Academy to be trained to please... ummm... errr... Butchmann's. 
 
Maybe a better idea is to recognize that "training" is nothing more than sharing your personal preferences with her, and creating a structure in which you can exercise your control for mutual gratification.  Personally, I've found it helpful to sit down with her and ask what she needs, likes, responds to, etc.  Everyone is a unique individual, and while I have a (current) list of what I call "house rules" (there are 52 presently), some are added, others are deleted, and several are modified depending upon the unique individual I'm forging a relationship with.  Of course, some rules are non-negotiable.
 
As for teaching her how to obey?  Well, she either will or she won't and you can't make her if she won't.  Presumably (yeah, I know....) you have already determined how compatible you both are to a power exchange relationship (rather than a vanilla relationship with B/D and S/M play, or even the B/D and S/M without the relationship at all), how compatible you both are personally to one another, whether she is able to understand and fulfill instruction, whether she is dedicated and trustworthy to complete assignments, etc.... BEFORE having decided to make a commitment to one another. 
 
You may do as you like (everyone does), but it is my personal opinion that any "commitment" (marriage, collar, etc.) is something beyond the "let's try this out and see if you can do it" stage.  It seems that early in their discovery, everyone wants to own or be owned, with relatively less consideration for who you own or owns you.  Most seeking power exchange relationships find that the "act" of owning or being owned is superceded by the relationship between two (or more) people.
 
Just some food for thought.
 
John

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RE: Slave Training? - 10/11/2006 10:57:33 AM   
MasterC46910


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Status: offline 		You don't just train a slave like you do a dog, although some parts of it can be the same.

To do it for real, it takes lots of time, remote space and uninterrupted engagement.  Not something that is done easily.

To do it part time or as a learning experience, it takes some imagination and whatever you decide you would like in a slave. Plus a willing subject of course...  

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RE: Slave Training? - 10/11/2006 11:24:33 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: GirlyDevil

Hello to all,
This is a question for all to answer:
I would really like to train my new slave, but not sure how. What do you do in order to teach the slave to obey and listen? I've tried looking up slave training here on the boards but really couldn't find anything. Does any also know of any good websites to go into on this matter?
Thank you


You took on a slave when you didnt know what to do with her/him? 

What do you do to teach them to obey and listen? You stay consistent and focused. You learn not to let anything slip. You give them a reason to want to obey and listen. If you are looking for BDSM style techniques.. well that would be as individual as you are. What I might do my not work for you and what may work for one slave may not work for another.  I wish you luck as you both learn and grow together..

I would also offer you the suggestion of finding a local group such as a munch or workshop type group and see if finding a mentor isnt feasible.

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RE: Slave Training? - 10/11/2006 11:37:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: RedSavageSlave

You give them a reason to want to obey and listen.



And the opposite side of this.  If you are interested in them as a slave, and if they are interested in you 'as' your slave, then they also need to understand the consequence of their NOT being obedient, of NOT listening.

Neither party is just in this for fun and games, are you?

Jeff

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RE: Slave Training? - 10/11/2006 11:40:16 AM   
RedSavageSlave


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quote:

ORIGINAL: mstrjx

quote:

ORIGINAL: RedSavageSlave

You give them a reason to want to obey and listen.



And the opposite side of this.  If you are interested in them as a slave, and if they are interested in you 'as' your slave, then they also need to understand the consequence of their NOT being obedient, of NOT listening.

Neither party is just in this for fun and games, are you?

Jeff


I am not exactly sure what you mean by this Jeff.. could you clarify please?

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RE: Slave Training? - 10/11/2006 11:52:16 AM   
mstrjx


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Status: offline 		I see it this way.

Although I haven't found myself in a situation of pony-girl training, I have ALWAYS seen what I do in being about reward.  I tell people 'it's all about the carrots'.

The carrots are the 'treat' for being obedient, for listening.  Yes, you can argue that these things should be given.  But there's nothing wrong with positive reinforcement.

But if those things (obedience, ignorance) are lacking, there is always the choice of dropping the M/s pretense and just letting the person go, OR, you can show them what displeasing the M means.  Be that being ignored, being released, being punished.

The 'fun and games' statement at the end was in reference to, to paraphrase, having (or owning) a slave but not having the first idea what that really entails.  If you're going to go to the trouble to be dominant (or demanding, or bossy, or an asshole), then by rights you already ought to have it in your head where you wish to go with it.

Right?  RIGHT?

Jeff

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RE: Slave Training? - 10/11/2006 11:54:18 AM   
SaphireLynn


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Status: offline 		Why would you take a slave when you have no idea to train him/her?

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RE: Slave Training? - 10/11/2006 12:05:41 PM   
RedSavageSlave


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Status: offline 		I absolutely agree with this Jeff..

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RE: Slave Training? - 10/11/2006 12:14:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SaphireLynn

Why would you take a slave when you have no idea to train him/her?


Nothing wrong with being a beginning dominant and seeking advice.  The first order of business is to learn how to play safely in a way that is healthy, happy and sustainable in the long term for you and your partner.  After that, it's all good what two people want to do together.

I would rather see a beginning dominant asking for advice than pretending or imagining that they know it all already.  "What could possibly go wrong with this inverted suspension nipple piercing and red hot coathanger iron branding scene?  I've read three whole books by John Norman....."

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RE: Slave Training? - 10/11/2006 12:25:13 PM   
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I hate when people try to represent two different personnas under the same name.

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RE: Slave Training? - 10/11/2006 9:23:29 PM   
GirlyDevil


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Status: offline 		Good evening all,
  I should've clarified the question better. My slave does know collar and leash training, sit, stay, etc. And yes he is a newbie. He also knows some punishment such as spanking, corner time, confinement, and sensory deprivation, etc.

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RE: Slave Training? - 10/11/2006 9:25:29 PM   
GirlyDevil


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Status: offline 		My main goal is to have him learn his position below me. But if I had to put it more in detail I would say for me to learn new ideas as far as punishing him and rewarding him.

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RE: Slave Training? - 10/31/2008 8:57:00 PM   
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RE: Slave Training? - 10/31/2008 9:01:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Why take a slave who doesnt know how to listen? Basic necessities before ownership would have been compatibility, no? So if they did well enough to get to owned status, how can they not know at least to listen?

DV

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