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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 3:16:50 PM

LordODiscipline

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If you would not place money on it, then you are not taking it at face value.

And, if you were not dealing with that issue, then you were diverging from the subject in a wildly obtuse fashion.

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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 3:18:16 PM

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For me it depends on what I'm doing at the time. If the slave has been disobediant ... then pleasing her is the last thing on my mind. If I've just wacked the heck out of her with my paddle until she's scream with tears on her face ... I'll see she enjoys herself until she's screaming for a very different reason ... so for myself ... it simply ... depends.

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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 3:30:21 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sinergy
I take her words at face value. Will I put money on it? Unlikely. I was simply using what she posted to comment on subjective perceptions of reality and how these are realized in people.

Sinergy

Seriously, who takes what they read from an anonymous stranger on the internet, stretching the bounds of credulity (or being out of bounds entirely), at face value and still has any money left in their bank account?

John

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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 3:33:50 PM

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How is it that you find these people? Surely not out in the lifestyle communities, because I am here, there and not quite everywhere and have yet to meet them, or even hear of them. And given that you say you don't associate with others that have different beliefs, it's unlikely that you're out in the community anyway.

My first M/s relationship was very similar in nature to prop's, although I was sent on errands by myself, always with a specific time limit and list of what was to be done while I was out. I don't recall in three years that happening more than half a dozen times or so and I don't recall ever been given over an hour to do any one thing except for one family visit. Most time limits were odd, such as 42 minutes to go to the grocery store. The Master would calculate the exact cost of what I was to purchase, including tax and I was to pick up those items only and be back within my time limit or suffer punishment for failure. I was allowed 28 minutes worth of phone calls per week to family (and was given the choice of using it all at once or spliting it up into several different calls as long as my total time did not exceed 28 minutes) and one visit a month, most of which were 55 minutes, but one Thanksgiving I was allowed an hour and 53 minutes.

This was a situation which I was sure I needed to survive my own demons. For the most part, it worked as it was meant to work. It would not have dawned on me back then there were any other options for me to take to get what I needed in life to continue to live it.

I was not allowed to socialize with others, but the Master certainly had friends and acquaintences when we met and it was through his association with them that I knew of a few others in a situation similar if not exactly like my own. I would think that such is similar to prop's situation. (My situation was well before having access to computers and the Internet, if it existed, was not something of which I was aware.)

This may be a bit surprising as well, but the Masters very best friends were a vanilla couple and they knew all about us and how we came to be together. I sometimes wonder about them and how they viewed a relationship which was so alien to them .. and yet, they were very open minded and did not seem to be affected by the dynamic the Master and I shared.

I learned a great deal about myself during that time and while I would not call it healthy, (because I did it for the wrong reasons and stayed in it for the wrong reasons) I do believe it was necessary for my own growth and because of that, I don't regret it.

One of the things I've learned in life is that if a human can think of a thing, someone, somewhere is doing it or at least making the attempt. Very little surprises me these days.

Celeste

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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 3:38:05 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rover

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sinergy
I take her words at face value. Will I put money on it? Unlikely. I was simply using what she posted to comment on subjective perceptions of reality and how these are realized in people.

Sinergy

Seriously, who takes what they read from an anonymous stranger on the internet, stretching the bounds of credulity (or being out of bounds entirely), at face value and still has any money left in their bank account?

John

Then, seriously, why are you here? Your statement lacks cohesion. You must believe that people are taking what you say, a stranger, over the internet, that often stretches the bounds of credulity (or being out of bounds - which is subjective to whoever reads), at face value - else what is the point of posting? You post to be heard, and with the vain thought that someone will listen.

I truely believe that people only see what they do themselves.

Those that tell the truth, see the possibility of truth.

Those that stretch the truth, see only the possibility of lies.

Which are you?

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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 3:43:06 PM

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One of the things I've learned in life is that if a human can think of a thing, someone, somewhere is doing it or at least making the attempt. Very little surprises me these days.

Oh I believe her, and as long as she is consenting there is not much judgment on my end about how she chooses to live. If it were nonconsensual I would be very disturbed by this story though. It does disturb me a tad that she has hinted in a couple of places that to be separated at any point means certain death... again, not judging her situation, but I can hope that this just is not true and I can admit it troubles my mind.. but that is my problem.

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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 3:43:09 PM

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Bita, I have no issue with living in consensual relationships that are exceptionally controlling. That does not stretch the bounds of believeability.

Living in nonconsensual relationships, being forced to remain in nonconsensual relationships, being unable to leave nonconsensual relationships, being unable to leave nonconsensually abusive relationships.... and all without the benefit of the psychological damage that does legitimately cause abused spouses to stay in relationships.... simply because one is a committed slave.... being isolated and still able to locate and socialize with other isolated slaves of in the same situation all beyond the detection of others... THAT is simply not credible.

I hope that's a bit clearer.

John

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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 3:46:11 PM

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I'm not going to read through the pages of responses. I don't need to. I don't know that anyone has said this; if they have I apologize.

The word 'pleasing' has absolutely no place here. Or, it's just so obvious that it doesn't require discussion.

You put two people in a room. If one or the other does not find the other 'pleasing', one or both people leave the room. Probably not at the same time.

'Pleasing' is a requirement for ANY relationship. Not simply romantic ones. If you have a boss and an employee, without 'pleasing' one person quits or gets fired. If you have a doctor and patient, without 'pleasing' there is no successful outcome. If you have a waitperson and a customer, without 'pleasing' either you end up with bad service on purpose or no tip.

If you have a boyfriend/girlfriend or dom/sub or top/bottom or M/s or any other combination, without 'pleasing' you end up with at least person who doesn't want to be there. And hopefully they leave before it gets worse.

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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 3:47:12 PM

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As Bit a Truble states...One of the things I've learned in life is that if a human can think of a thing, someone, somewhere is doing it or at least making the attempt. Very little surprises me these days.

Having worked with sex offenders for 8 years...nothing surprises me. My views are burned into my consciousness based on victim and perpetrator...not a positive power exchange to say the least. Manipulative negative control is far too close to predatory behavior for me. Complete degradation of self is really only one way to find enlightenment and fulfillment. I just find it hard to find the enthusiasm found in such struggle and misery.

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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 3:49:45 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: darkinshadows

Then, seriously, why are you here? Your statement lacks cohesion. You must believe that people are taking what you say, a stranger, over the internet, that often stretches the bounds of credulity (or being out of bounds - which is subjective to whoever reads), at face value - else what is the point of posting? You post to be heard, and with the vain thought that someone will listen.

I truely believe that people only see what they do themselves.
Those that tell the truth, see the possibility of truth.
Those that stretch the truth, see only the possibility of lies.
Which are you?

dark, given what you see, does that make you vain and in search of someone to listen to you?

My statement is perfectly cohesive. I do not turn off my brain when I turn on the computer, rendering me utterly incapable of using reason and experience to discerne credible from incredible. Nor does it render me mute in the face of a perpetrated hoax.

It's the internet, dark. People make stuff up, and some are very good at it. Though I fail to see how many folks are taken in by something so outrageous. Most stories at least have to be reasonable.

John

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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 3:52:01 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: darkinshadows

I truely believe that people only see what they do themselves.
Those that tell the truth, see the possibility of truth.
Those that stretch the truth, see only the possibility of lies.
Which are you?

Have you been caught masturbating in the shower in the past?

Have you ever been contacted and questioned about beating your wife?

If you were not at the party killing John then you were strangling Ruth in the park - which is it?

Those damned judges at Nuremburg were responsible for how many deaths in the camps?

Nice attempt at making it into something other than it is..

~J

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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 3:55:46 PM

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ORIGINAL: Rover

Most stories at least have to be reasonable.

You are fully within your rights to doubt her story.

Reasonable to you is subjective to you.

Sinergy

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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 4:04:12 PM

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ORIGINAL:Dnomyar
It seems like the heart and love has gotten involved here. I can't seem to find the requirement that says that you have to fall in love with a slave.

I invite you to re-read My words.. I stated and I quote; "adding also that irregardless if love was present or NOT"

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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 4:08:07 PM

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dark, given what you see, does that make you vain and in search of someone to listen to you?

Whynot? Of course there is a certain vainity in seeing ones words displayed - and if no ones listening - why bother 'speaking'? Please dont sit there and say that your typing simply to read your own words. You have microsoft word and notebooks for that.

quote:

My statement is perfectly cohesive. I do not turn off my brain when I turn on the computer, rendering me utterly incapable of using reason and experience to discerne credible from incredible. Nor does it render me mute in the face of a perpetrated hoax.

Nor incapable of rudeness... not inuendo... nor attack.

It isnt cohesive because if you want everyone here to believe your statement, that would mean that nobody should believe your statement because you are an anon atranger. Your statement contradicts itself and doesn't stick - it makes no sense.

What is credible to you, is impossible for another. After all who in their right mind would consider submitting to someone to be whipped and beaten... to be cut and to bleed for another?

quote:

It's the internet, dark. People make stuff up, and some are very good at it. Though I fail to see how many folks are taken in by something so outrageous. Most stories at least have to be reasonable.

Of course it is the internet. And yes people lie. And there are many, many other outrageous subjects... like the Iraq War.... UFOs... Christianity... walking on Custard...

I know and understand you don't believe these type of relationships exist, maybe you have never come across them... does not mean they don't exist though. Maybe not in your life and your reality... but they do in and to others. But just because you say it isn't so, doesn't make you any more believable. You have an opinon. She stated a reality that does exist to some - whether you believe she is living that reality is neither here nor there.

Those lives do exist - and even stranger ones than that.

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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 4:20:21 PM

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ORIGINAL: LordODiscipline
Have you been caught masturbating in the shower in the past?

Not the shower, actually I havent. And as masturbations never been a tool to use against me throughout my entire life, thats a mute point anyway.

quote:

Have you ever been contacted and questioned about beating your wife?

Ummm... I am a wife... and self infliction isnt a fetish of mine.

quote:

If you were not at the party killing John then you were strangling Ruth in the park - which is it?

I was probably shagging Dean on the way home...

quote:

Those damned judges at Nuremburg were responsible for how many deaths in the camps?

I tend not to make claims about things I know little about, unlike yourself... so I can't really respomd to your last comment

quote:

Nice attempt at making it into something other than it is..

~J

Is it? Is that why you are?

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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 4:30:42 PM

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dark, you're free to express your opinion about what I say, just as I am about what others say. And people are able to consider your opinion as well as my own.

I'm exceedingly comfortable with that. You do not seem quite so.

John

P.S. - Though you may not know me, I'm anything but anonymous.

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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 4:38:41 PM

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ORIGINAL: Rover

dark, you're free to express your opinion about what I say, just as I am about what others say. And people are able to consider your opinion as well as my own.

I'm exceedingly comfortable with that. You do not seem quite so.

John

P.S. - Though you may not know me, I'm anything but anonymous.

Of course - that is why we come here - to the internet - to forums like these - so that we do express our views, and for our opinions to be heard, shared and debated. It is all a form of vainity in a sense. My opinion, your opinion... and people take both - and form their own. Beautiful isn't it?

Ah the wonder of words!

And you can assume all you like to try and exude some authority and higher understanding - unlike yourself, I do not have the need to express how comfortable I am and claim it - I just am... for I am .dark.

P.S you can be as unanonymous as you wish - but I still have no clue as to who you are.

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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/13/2006 6:56:14 PM

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Obfuscation is not exactly a tactic to use in discussions and debates - it demonstrates a significant inability to counter an argument with solid source reasoning, and denotes a weakness in thought and/or ability to carry on the conversation thoough a significant counterpoint....

The equivalent of "I know you are, but what am I" is not something to bring to the table.

~J

(and, the word is "moot"
- otherwise you would be saying that your point does not have a voice
- although -
...strike that... reverse it!
You were right
- I was wrong to assume that you did not characterize your point correctly)

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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/14/2006 4:30:08 AM

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I said that the point you made was mute - otherwise you are quite correct - I did mean moot... (a wise man does not feed words into the mouths of others but feeds the soul - Chinese Proverb)

I DID mean mute. So yes, I believe your point doesn't have a voice...

If you find it impossible and too confusing to understand me, then do not read my words... you are the one using long words and confusing dialect for some... so possibly, practice what you preach?

Everyone has a voice. And everyone has the right to voice their opinion - but do you have to do so and belittle a person, their concepts, their belief system? Call them a liar just because you have never heard of such a thing occuring... or because it offends you? Does it justify your beliefs to deride anothers? Constructive critique is a positive and worthwhile concept in my opinion (of course, that is subjective to me and I wouldn't dream of imposing that upon you) however, disparaging remarks and sneers do not make the man, nor the woman.

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RE: Pleasing a slave - 10/14/2006 4:46:50 AM

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Once again -

"I know I am, but what are you" logic.

Thank you for playing... good talking to you (*somewhat) and, tell Pee Wee "Hi"

~J

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