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RE: So I was sitting here wondering - 10/17/2006 9:38:17 AM   
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Trust me ... we are more than content with the notion that if you don't like the way the United States does things in their own country ... don't let the door hit you on the ass on your way out.
 
What you seem to have overlooked is that the door can't hit me on the way out...I was never there to leave. I would be as concerned with US internal policy as I am with the internal politics of Malawi, if the US's actions and policies affected my life as much as those of Malawi, which isn't the case. So as long as the US's internal politics has a profound affect on my daily life I will reserve the right to have an opinion on it and to comment on it. The problem with the old "America...Love it or leave it" idea is that while it is at times hard to do the former, these days it is simply not possible to do the latter.

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RE: So I was sitting here wondering - 10/17/2006 9:45:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Caitlyn - I dont understand what point youre making to be honest?

You complain about NG and others starting threads about the US - I have complained about some of them too, because as you say sometimes they are messing rather than commenting/enquiring. This is a thread about the UK by an American. I started a thread about Britain and some (very welcome) Americans contributed.

I dont see why there is a problem, unless there is an undertone of lecturing to others - which I complained about as much as you on the Guns thread. But this one isnt lecturing anyone at the moment? In fact Caitlyn, it seems the only flames are ones youre lighting!

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RE: So I was sitting here wondering - 10/17/2006 9:46:11 AM   
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I'm quite happy for anyone to *take apart* UK culture, politics and anything else about it....it's not as if my idea of myself is totally wrapped up in it. 


There is no need to take apart your culture. You live in a beautiful country with very friendly people.
 
There are many things about your country that I don't understand ... but since it isn't my country ... I just STFU.
 
Take a look at the treads concerning politics in the UK on this board. Do you see Americans getting in there and hammering the fuck out of you guys? No, you don't ... because you have the right to have things how you want them, in your own country.
 
Then again, we are really only taking about three or four people. I myself thing you should send NorthernGent over here to the US, so we can shoot him with one of our legal guns, and make him stay in our shitty heathcare system for a while.

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RE: So I was sitting here wondering - 10/17/2006 9:51:47 AM   
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..............and if the UK was holding American citizens and denying them basic justice, such as habeous corpus, you'd be silent? Or if the UK instituted trade tariffs against the US you'd be quiet? Or if the UK dragged the US into a war that was only arguably legal and of a highly questionable moral and ethical nature you'd say nothing?

i doubt it Caitlyn.......and you'd have a perfect right to criticise.

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RE: So I was sitting here wondering - 10/17/2006 9:55:56 AM   
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Caitlyn - I dont understand what point youre making to be honest?

You complain about NG and others starting threads about the US - I have complained about some of them too, because as you say sometimes they are messing rather than commenting/enquiring. This is a thread about the UK by an American. I started a thread about Britain and some (very welcome) Americans contributed.

I dont see why there is a problem, unless there is an undertone of lecturing to others - which I complained about as much as you on the Guns thread. But this one isnt lecturing anyone at the moment? In fact Caitlyn, it seems the only flames are ones youre lighting!


Yes, and I'm lighting them on purpose, and for a very good reason. You caught me.
 
Notice how when some people do their hammering act, if any Americans respond, they are told that they don't have thick enough skin, or need to be less sensitive?
 
OK ... that's fine. In the gun thread, I posted the Numa Nume song as an example of European music, and got an immediate response as if I was attacking (which I was, clearly). In this thread, I decided to go aggressive and attack back, betting I would get another immediate reaction.
 
Can dish it out, but can't take it, to my eyes. Mission accomplished ... childish to be sure, but I feel all better now.

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RE: So I was sitting here wondering - 10/17/2006 9:58:33 AM   
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I agree with Caitlyn that there is too much arrogant lecturing that finds its way into these sorts of threads, but (a big but - like nearly as big as mine) why cant we discuss stuff of mutual interest about the US, UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand etc, as long as there is no arrogant lecturing? (like I'm doing here)

We all know who the guilty parties are, and we are all guilty at some point I'm sure, but I for one very much valued the input of the American contributors to my Britain thread. Sometimes it helps to get an outside view.

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RE: So I was sitting here wondering - 10/17/2006 10:03:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

Hi Ken
 
I'll try to answer!

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

2.  Why are the British so worried or concerned or whatever about American politics?

Because Amercian politics have a huge effect on the world, and especially on the UK, because we think in terms of a special relationship and like to hang on the coat tails of the US to preserve the idea we are still a world power. The lack of a language barrier gives it a direct impact to us psychologically, and our familiarity with American TV and movies, makes us think we know more than we do, as well as giving many the impression that we somehow are affected more than we are by it all. The average Brit, if asked to draw a map of the world, would put the US about ten miles west of Ireland, with Europe a far off and strange place.




I have objection to this statement - the UK is still a world power!

The UK has much more influence in Europe than the U.S.; the world's business language is English - not because of America, but because of the UK's far reaching influence over the globe for many centuries.

The UK has had colonies everywhere and even when those colonies rose up against England and kicked them out; a vast majority of those colonies are friends with the UK today.

So the UK doesn't have the biggest military or the biggest economy - they have great influence on others and that's power.  When Brittania talks, the world does listen and usually with an open mind

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RE: So I was sitting here wondering - 10/17/2006 10:04:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		You being a very reasonable poster ... my apologies for making this thread a flame.
 
I concluded that it would go that way anyway, so helped it along a bit to accomplish my own ends.

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RE: So I was sitting here wondering - 10/17/2006 10:05:15 AM   
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Notice how when some people do their hammering act, if any Americans respond, they are told that they don't have thick enough skin, or need to be less sensitive?"
 
........an unworthy and childish position Caitlyn.....i have always tried to debate with you on the issues and have attempted to be fair. This outburst of yours proved nothing, and is rather insulting to those of us who try to respect differing opinions.
 
i am disappointed in you Caitlyn.

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RE: So I was sitting here wondering - 10/17/2006 10:06:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: caitlyn

You being a very reasonable poster ... my apologies for making this thread a flame.
 
I concluded that it would go that way anyway, so helped it along a bit to accomplish my own ends.


No need to apologise - I quite understand your frustrations!
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RE: So I was sitting here wondering - 10/17/2006 10:07:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Arpig
I doubt they are, but so many Americans won't shut up about it, so the rest of the world really has no choice but to get involved.


This is complete bullshit.
 
You don't see American starting these posts. It's Brits and Canadians starting them and the moment an American responds, you pull out a line like the one above.
 
Trust me ... we are more than content with the notion that if you don't like the way the United States does things in their own country ... don't let the door hit you on the ass on your way out.


What about those people that like to get a knob in the ass?  Let's be fair now ;-D

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RE: So I was sitting here wondering - 10/17/2006 10:08:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ToGiveDivine

I have objection to this statement - the UK is still a world power!

When Brittania talks, the world does listen and usually with an open mind


Well you dont listen when I talk TGD!

But true enough - we have influence, but thats not the same as power?

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RE: So I was sitting here wondering - 10/17/2006 10:10:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

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ORIGINAL: ToGiveDivine

I have objection to this statement - the UK is still a world power!

When Brittania talks, the world does listen and usually with an open mind


Well you dont listen when I talk TGD!

But true enough - we have influence, but thats not the same as power?

E


Did you say something?!?!!?    LOL

Influence is power - sometimes being the person behind the throne is more powerful than sitting on the throne - England's history is loaded with examples

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RE: So I was sitting here wondering - 10/17/2006 10:18:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Since we are being blunt then ... there was a time long ago when I considered you a very good debate partner.
 
Then came that day, quite some time ago, when you took a quote made by another person, ascribed it to me, and then said some pretty hurtful things. I know it was probably an accident caused by the way you quote on this board, but when called on it, you never posted an apology ... never in public, and never in private.
 
Since we are being blunt, what would make you think for a moment, that I care about your opinion of me?
 
I'm done with this thread ... before I get moderated.  Off the class.

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RE: So I was sitting here wondering - 10/17/2006 10:25:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		TGD - good thing youre out of range LOL!

However, I do have influence to get you dealt with, though not the power given the distance.

Thats what I mean by the difference. The power behind the throne, is the power after all.

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RE: So I was sitting here wondering - 10/17/2006 10:27:18 AM   
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RE: So I was sitting here wondering - 10/17/2006 10:28:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Caitlyn...i had no idea you could bear an intellectual grudge so hard......pity......perhaps in time you will come to see how childish that is, and how such infantile debate tactics as you have employed here are utterly counterproductive.
i hope that day comes soon, because despite the rather nasty post you made above, i feel that you are an honest person.....and honesty in a debate is all that ultimately matters.
Good luck with your education, in all its facets.

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RE: So I was sitting here wondering - 10/17/2006 10:28:47 AM   
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TGD - good thing youre out of range LOL!

However, I do have influence to get you dealt with, though not the power given the distance.

Thats what I mean by the difference. The power behind the throne, is the power after all.

E


Damn, she just put a contract out on me - wow, tough forum

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RE: So I was sitting here wondering - 10/17/2006 10:29:28 AM   
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...not love, TGD, but respect......although i am forced to concede that it may have been only on my part.

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RE: So I was sitting here wondering - 10/17/2006 2:12:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: caitlyn

The US & Guns thread, the US Intelligence thread, the US Healthcare threads, were all started by NorthernGent. The Left Wing Media thread was started by KediCat. The Clinton & 9/11 thread was started by Whip the Hip, but about 75% of the posters were Brits and Canadians.
 
These threads represent the longest "hammer the good old USA" screeds over the last short while.


Caitlyn.....

You need to let these posts roll off your back a little more, or you're not going to make it to thirty-five . I don't see meatcleaver or the Gent attacking Americans per se, I see them attacking those who formulate policy. They know we have a symbiotic relationship, and have been just as critical on their end.



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