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RE: A Domme's Sexuality - 2/4/2005 3:17:14 PM   
LadyAngelika


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Interesting post.

I'll go out on a limb, and suggest it isn't just appropriate for Female Dominants, but also for female submissives, male dominants, male submissives, and everyone in between. Confidence in one's sexuality, security in one's desires, and open mindedness is a great formula to make a person attractive, not just to the opposite sex or dominance spectrum, but to all people, all across the board.

Stephan


Of course, if one is true to their sexual nature, they will reach a level of awarness about their sexual desires. I know many "vanilla" people who are totally confident about their sexuality. That isn't really the point of my original post.

I'm not contesting what you are proposing but it does not address the issue I raised. There is something that is particular to Dominant women and that is the issue that I am interested in discussing with my fellow Dommes and those that understand us.

Again, this is the reason I posted in this forum as opposed to the general forum. A lot of it is discussed in NATI's initial response post.

The essence here is that Women are often dichotomised as Madonna/Whore (for the X-tians and other variations for others). Women not in touch with their sexuality are Madonnas (not to be confused with the pop sensation who has shown us just how in touch she is with hers!). Women who take charge of their sexuality are Whores. Of course many submissive women take charge of their sexuality. But then they hand it over to someone. Dominant women take charge of their sexuality as well as the sexuality of the men and women they dominate. It's like a double dose of whoredom or something. And that is the issue I was trying to raise with this post.

- LA

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RE: A Domme's Sexuality - 2/5/2005 2:58:45 PM   
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When I was growing up I was taught that if I enjoyed sex I was a whore/slut. That resulted in Me having some severe hangups about My sexuality because I enjoyed it. For many years I actively throttled all sexual responses in an attempt to fit into the role society had handed Me. It was such a relief to finally learn about the BDSM Lifetsyle. Not only was I able to fully acknowledge the fact that I was Dominant...it also meant that I could stop trying to fit the role of wife/submissive/passive/etc. At the start I had to literally give Myself permission to have orgasms and enjoy sex. Since then My sexuality has soared because I felt like I had been given permission to be sexual. Embracing My Dominance and sexuality has given Me a self-confidence that has affected all other areas of My life.

On a personal level I have found that controlling the sexual experiences and releases of a male submissive reinforces My feelings of My own Feminity. I feel more Female because I can do these things...(if that makes any sense).


< Message edited by GentleLady -- 2/7/2005 5:13:42 PM >


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RE: A Domme's Sexuality - 2/7/2005 12:14:24 PM   
Voltare


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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

I'm not contesting what you are proposing but it does not address the issue I raised. There is something that is particular to Dominant women and that is the issue that I am interested in discussing with my fellow Dommes and those that understand us.



My intention was hardly to dispute your statement - I catagorically agreed with everything you stated. I just simply suggested that the source of sexual confidence isn't a function of dominance, but rather a basic human quality. Insinuating that because I am neither a Domme nor a person who understands them doesn't make my comment more or less valid, especially in the light that your original post:

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

Rather, I am seen as a woman who is assertive of about her sexuality, is open-minded and knows what she wants. The feedback that I have gotten from these vanilla boys is that this is so very attractive.



was actually discussing the perceptions of vanilla 'boys' who also don't fall under either catagory. If you have a personal concern about my commentary, feel free to contact me off board to discuss the issue.

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika


The essence here is that Women are often dichotomised as Madonna/Whore (for the X-tians and other variations for others). Women not in touch with their sexuality are Madonnas (not to be confused with the pop sensation who has shown us just how in touch she is with hers!). Women who take charge of their sexuality are Whores. Of course many submissive women take charge of their sexuality. But then they hand it over to someone. Dominant women take charge of their sexuality as well as the sexuality of the men and women they dominate. It's like a double dose of whoredom or something. And that is the issue I was trying to raise with this post.

- LA


I agree with you in most respects to your observation here. I find these polarizations to be even more distinct where I am living, where men aggressively seek 'Whores' six days a week, and spend one day a week with their Madonna, keeping the same Madonna for years at a time. A 30 year old acquaintence of mine is a prime example. He has told me he loves his girlfriend of four years and intends to marry her in a few years, but only wants to love her one day a week, and wishes the other six days he could spend with a hot girl for the night, weekend, etc. He spends a lot of money on his girlfriend, has a good relationship with the family of the woman, etc, but every time I see him, he is complaining about the time and effort she takes.

To be fair, this is a two way street. A woman here who is in the Madonna role here is usually devoted, well educated, and quite attractive. She often complains about the lack of time and attention she receives, but makes no real effort to change her situation. In the example of my acquaintence, she could just dump her boyfriend and find one better suited to her needs - but obviously this requires risks, and a great deal of disruption to her life.

As for the woman choosing the Whore role, I don't believe this such a simple matter because I don't think anyone sets out in life to be in this position. In reality, I think women who take charge of their sexuality aren't seen as whores so much, as they are seen as attractive and interesting. I know women in my life who, while not the most physically beautiful woman I've met, have amazing personalities and a great deal of confidence in themselves as women, both sexually, emotionally, and intellectually. They never lack attention from men, and often leave the more shallow women with the expensive clothes, hair, and makeup clueless as to how they do it.

In the end, just because a woman (or man) is dichotomised by others, doesn't mean they are obligated to the role.

Stephan

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RE: A Domme's Sexuality - 2/7/2005 6:16:29 PM   
LadyAngelika


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Voltare
My intention was hardly to dispute your statement - I catagorically agreed with everything you stated. I just simply suggested that the source of sexual confidence isn't a function of dominance, but rather a basic human quality.


I know :) I agreed with you agreeing with me and all that jazz. I was simply trying to make my point with more precision about why it was significantly different from a Domme's perspective.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Voltare
Insinuating that because I am neither a Domme nor a person who understands them doesn't make my comment more or less valid.


I didn't insuate that at all. I was simply refocussing my original post ;) Your opinion is quite welcomed here as far as I'm concerned. Just realise that we discuss Domme issues in this forum. If it was a question addressed to the population at large, I know where the General forum is and I would go post there.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Voltare
If you have a personal concern about my commentary, feel free to contact me off board to discuss the issue.


I don't have a "personal concern " about your commentary. This is a message board. We post off one another and that is the way it works. I don't see the need nor do I have the time to entertain parallel conversations. My response to you was not an attack. It was a statement. I speak in a direct tone but I do keep it civil. Perhaps I should add a bunch of kissy faces and smilies so people will realise I'm not such the bitch? Chill baby. It's all good.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Voltare
quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

The essence here is that Women are often dichotomised as Madonna/Whore (for the X-tians and other variations for others). Women not in touch with their sexuality are Madonnas (not to be confused with the pop sensation who has shown us just how in touch she is with hers!). Women who take charge of their sexuality are Whores. Of course many submissive women take charge of their sexuality. But then they hand it over to someone. Dominant women take charge of their sexuality as well as the sexuality of the men and women they dominate. It's like a double dose of whoredom or something. And that is the issue I was trying to raise with this post.

- LA


I agree with you in most respects to your observation here. I find these polarizations to be even more distinct where I am living, where men aggressively seek 'Whores' six days a week, and spend one day a week with their Madonna, keeping the same Madonna for years at a time. A 30 year old acquaintence of mine is a prime example. He has told me he loves his girlfriend of four years and intends to marry her in a few years, but only wants to love her one day a week, and wishes the other six days he could spend with a hot girl for the night, weekend, etc. He spends a lot of money on his girlfriend, has a good relationship with the family of the woman, etc, but every time I see him, he is complaining about the time and effort she takes.

To be fair, this is a two way street. A woman here who is in the Madonna role here is usually devoted, well educated, and quite attractive. She often complains about the lack of time and attention she receives, but makes no real effort to change her situation. In the example of my acquaintence, she could just dump her boyfriend and find one better suited to her needs - but obviously this requires risks, and a great deal of disruption to her life.

As for the woman choosing the Whore role, I don't believe this such a simple matter because I don't think anyone sets out in life to be in this position. In reality, I think women who take charge of their sexuality aren't seen as whores so much, as they are seen as attractive and interesting. I know women in my life who, while not the most physically beautiful woman I've met, have amazing personalities and a great deal of confidence in themselves as women, both sexually, emotionally, and intellectually. They never lack attention from men, and often leave the more shallow women with the expensive clothes, hair, and makeup clueless as to how they do it.

In the end, just because a woman (or man) is dichotomised by others, doesn't mean they are obligated to the role.

Stephan


What you say makes much sense. However between what we perceive ourselves to be and how others perceive us is a different story. It is hard for many women to let themselves be true to their sexual nature when there is so much pressure to be "a good girl". Some of us manage to do it.

And yes, the way women are perceived in different areas of the world changes significantly. Where I live, in Montréal, women are more encouraged to be open about their sexuality then even down south in the US or East or West of me. It is the French/European influence. I feel priveledged in fact to live in such an open minded society. That said, there is still major room for improvement.

- LA

< Message edited by LadyAngelika -- 2/7/2005 6:18:44 PM >


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RE: A Domme's Sexuality - 2/7/2005 6:46:00 PM   
LadyAngelika


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ORIGINAL: GentleLady

When I was growing up I was taught that if I enjoyed sex I was a whore/slut. That resulted in Me having some severe hangups about My sexuality because I enjoyed it. For many years I actively throttled all sexual responses in an attempt to fit into the role society had handed Me. It was such a relief to finally learn about the BDSM Lifetsyle. Not only was I able to fully acknowledge the fact that I was Dominant...it also meant that I could stop trying to fit the role of wife/submissive/passive/etc. At the start I had to literally give Myself permission to have orgasms and enjoy sex. Since then My sexuality has soared because I felt like I had been given permission to be sexual. Embracing My Dominance and sexuality has given Me a self-confidence that has affected all other areas of My life.


This is exactly what I'm talking about. I feel very much the same way in terms of my own growth and the years of work it took to hush those voices that said "slut/whore" in a negative tone.

quote:

ORIGINAL: GentleLady
On a personal level I have found that controlling the sexual experiences and releases of a male submissive reinforces My feelings of My own Feminity. I feel more Female because I can do these things...(if that makes any sense).


I never thought of it that way but it totally makes sense. Look at the power of female sexuality. It sells billions of dollars each year, it has brought down empires (and presidencies), it has started and ended billions of feuds... Yes! I can how totally being a powerful female sexually can make you feel at the height of your feminity. I would equate it to the feeling I get when I put on very high heeled shoes...

- LA


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RE: A Domme's Sexuality - 2/8/2005 8:09:54 PM   
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I feel pretty fortunate in that I've always felt a sense of sexual entitlement, I've always insisted on my own pleasure.

I think it's the one thing my mom got right, the sex ed portion of parenting.

Even when I was bottoming periodically, I brought a very dominant, do-me thing to it. Kamikaze bottoming, *grunt*

I do think that being a Domme just enhances that, for me. It really has allowed me to enjoy the full spectrum of my sexuality. I've chosen to ignore those people, Dominant OR submissive or in between who want to proscribe my sexuality-- "A REAL Domme would never xyz etc." makes me so intensely mad. A real Domme is not about to let a confederacy of Dommes tell her what she can do, sexually.



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RE: A Domme's Sexuality - 2/8/2005 11:28:20 PM   
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I woke up one day and realized that I would never agree with the 'social norms' and they would never agree with me - and that was okay. It was far better for me to just accept myself and who and what I am, than try to squeeze myself into a shape that would never fit.

I am far more relaxed and at ease with myself for simply letting go of the anger. Though the anger did spawn some great writing, it also got in the way of really being able to experience my own sexual freedom. When I did let it go though, it was like coming home again. Everything just fell into place. And it all seems to revolve around the idea that 'I do not have to question this'.

I am female, and sexual, and that sexuality is powerful. It is powerful because it is female and because I am aware of its power.

< Message edited by NATI -- 2/8/2005 11:30:05 PM >

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RE: A Domme's Sexuality - 2/9/2005 4:29:20 PM   
LadyAngelika


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Kamikaze bottoming, *grunt*


I love that. I need to get a bottom fix now and then. It's not subbing because I really don't submit to anything but my own desires. I have a sadistic friend who helps me out with these little desires. He is so much more into teasing out the slut/maso in me and not so concerned about having me submit. I don't demand anything from him so it's not necessarily topping from the bottom.

When I was asked by a sadist/Dom friend how this whole dynamic works, I responded: "I seduce him into hurting me". His response: "What a fantasticlly hot thing to say!" And what a fantastically hot dynamic too.

- LA

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