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pandoravampire -> RE: most important show of submission (2/8/2005 1:12:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MidnightWriter


Tell me the things that I need to know that they don't want to admit to.

Honesty is the single most important factor to me.



from a subside, this is the so difficult. This and submitting when i do not have the need or inclination to. This is when play and the relationship gets deep indeed.



aliljaded1 -> RE: most important show of submission (2/9/2005 5:48:25 AM)

i have an issue w/" blind trust" . *beating this poor dead horse again*.


"It's not how you dress or undress, it's not what shape or not shape your body is, it's not what you say or don't say. It’s not the amount of pain or sex you surrender. It's not cleaning house or fetching his slippers & pipe. The only thing a slave can do to show submission, is BLIND TRUST! "

sometimes it is how you dress and undress, what shape youre in (mentally and phy/) its what you say and dont say , its the amount of pain and sex you surrender , or cooking and cleaning . (imho) these are the things that* to me*
1. show respect (for both )
2. develope a dynamic
3. show Love
4.and last but certainlly not least , learn to trust blindly
(im sure i've missed some others but im only addressing your points :o)

this thing you seek comes w/ time , lots of it .
warm wishes on your journey.
~jade



TallDarkAndWitty -> RE: most important show of submission (2/9/2005 11:49:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: stripmaster

It's not how you dress or undress, it's not what shape or not shape your body is, it's not what you say or don't say. It’s not the amount of pain or sex you surrender. It's not cleaning house or fetching his slippers & pipe. The only thing a slave can do to show submission, is BLIND TRUST! That is something that the Master has to earn. If your Master asks you to do something that is scary, or something thing that you dread, but you do it out of blind trust, that he knows what’s best for you then you have shown him true submission. [8D]


Sorry Lily, but this doesn't even sound good on paper.

Blind trust? Why would any one want someone who simply trusted everything they said or asked blindly? Of course trust is important, but it is no more important than honest communication or, as Lawrence so aptly puts it, protecting the property.

When you put on your dom-hat, it does not give you super powers. It does not give you additional senses. I don't want a doormat who simply does what I say. I want a powerful and strong servant/submissive/piece of property who adds value to my decision, either through "analysis, agreement and submission" or through "analysis, disagreement, discussion, and submission."

Perhaps it is just that I choose to own only those who can intelligently decide each and every moment to obey my commands. Every act of submission is a choice. Only then do I know that I earn my property's trust, each and every day.

Taggard



MidnightWriter -> RE: most important show of submission (2/10/2005 9:48:17 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: pandoravampire

quote:

ORIGINAL: MidnightWriter

Tell me the things that I need to know that they don't want to admit to.

Honesty is the single most important factor to me.


from a subside, this is the so difficult. This and submitting when i do not have the need or inclination to. This is when play and the relationship gets deep indeed.

Yup - this is much tougher than taking a severe caning, learning a kneeling position, or being used as a sex toy.

I guess I'm just not easy. [:D]



Alexander -> RE: most important show of submission (2/10/2005 10:47:57 AM)

I find that the one of the most important things is the quality of absolution.

Everyone makes mistakes; the slave girl is accountable, held to expectations, held to a standard of excellence. When she makes mistakes there are consequences. However, those consequences are not always a whip or a switch those consequences are sometimes just disappointment from her master. How does she deal with that? Simply saying she is sorry is not enough; simply being sorry is not enough. A slave girl learns how and sometimes knows how subconsciously to gain her absolution through begging and promise making and immediate problem solving. Placation all of it serves to demonstrate devotion.

When the girl forgets to make the appointment you told her to, she is sorry. So are the clients who miss appointments at my office. Who cares? When the girl forgets to make the appointment, begs punishment and forgiveness on her knees, reschedules immediately and shows you her calendar for the entire next month to be judged by it for her efforts to correct it; that’s the desire to be pleasing manifested physically. Sometimes I think I need those physical manifestations of adoration and devotion to remind me why I am who I am and why I am keeping the girl.



ProtagonistLily -> RE: most important show of submission (2/10/2005 10:53:46 AM)

T,

Ahhh, I got what you meant by the 'Sounds good on paper' quote. And you are right, it doesn't.

L



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