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contraceptives..eek!! - 11/7/2006 8:41:52 PM   
leakylee


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Status: offline 		I am greatly hoping that I am putting this into the right section. It is also something that hopefully might be helpful here and there for others too.
My problem stems from the fact that I am currently on Orthro Evera. I have done alot of reading on the side effects. Needless to say, they are a bit scary. Depo also is a non fussey method, but its side effects.. WOW!! They dont seem to be quite as internally damaging as the patch, but they aint pretty. I am getting to that "age" that  the extra hormones is supposed to be a concern. Combined with the extra padding here and there, it greatly helps to be informed when one pops this info to the doc.

I would greatly appreciate any recommendations or icky warnings on these things.  Thank you for the help.

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RE: contraceptives..eek!! - 11/7/2006 8:50:49 PM   
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People's bodies are very unique.  People can have a HUGE variation in their reactions to the EXACT same things.

Like peanuts- millions o people adore peanut butter every day.  And it would kill a small percentage of them.

YOur best thing here is education and information- REAL information and education, not a few self-selected cyber opinions. 

You're talking about changing your body's chemistry to tell it to do something it naturally would never do.  That will ALWAYS come with risks.  You need to educate yourself on the risks and decide which ones you will take.

Pretty much like any kinky activity you are into.

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RE: contraceptives..eek!! - 11/7/2006 8:51:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Lee!  Have you tried Nuva Ring?  It's expensive (my co-pay is $40 for non-formulary) but you pop that sucka in and forget about it until it's time to take it out!  Love it!  My partner could never feel it during intercourse either.  I thought it would be icky at first but I ended up loving it and would never go back to the pill or patch.  With the pill I had severe breast tenderness and the patch has all those warnings about all hormones.  With the Nuva Ring I do have some moderate PMS moodiness...not bitchiness but just emotional - other than that and some light cramping the first 2 months I was on it, I had no other symptoms.  Also, did you know, and not to make any assumptions, but the patch is not recommended for anyone over 198 lbs.  BC is different for everyone, you just have to find out what works best for you.  Good luck!

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RE: contraceptives..eek!! - 11/7/2006 9:39:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you LA.
You are right about doing the research. I have been reading about all this ever since I decided to make the switch. I am one of those that has been on birth control since I was a teen. One thing you learn after all that time is that sometimes people are a viable option for info as well. We are our own best advocates when it comes to our health. So the more info and expericences we are armed with the better we are able to assist our doctors. Guess I am extremely proactive in the area. Have a great day.

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RE: contraceptives..eek!! - 11/7/2006 9:45:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Elle,
Oh that is something I was wondering about. The ring looked pretty interesting and like one of those to non -fussy type methods. The part about it not being messy or being able to be felt is cool. I didnt know that thing about the weight with the patch, but that is why I am kinda trying to regroup on all this. I have always just taken what the doc prescribed. That aint always the best option. But the least amount of complications and side effects the better.. weehaa!!

Thank you again

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RE: contraceptives..eek!! - 11/8/2006 8:46:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		hi lee,

i agree with LA in that everyone's unique and what works for someone else could be the absolute worst thing possible for you, but i also feel that hearing of actual experiences from actual people who've used something (whether it's birth control, an anti-d, or whatever else), can give you that bit of extra information, in addition to talking with healthcare professionals, to allow you to make a truly informed decision.

with all that said, i used Nuva Ring for about a year and HATED it. if you don't have insurance, it's one of the most expensive options out there as someone else posted. also, i'm sexually active regularly with more than one person. some men couldn't feel the ring...however MOST of them could, including my Master. He also would complain of a burning sensation at the tip of his cock after sex, i assume from bumping against the ring. a few times the ring actually came out during sex, which is rather embarassing to say the least. also the ring often would not stay in place, and sometimes as i was walking or just moving about normally i could very clearly "feel" it. as for side effects, my periods which were already unusually long (6-7 days) became longer (9-11 days), and my cramping became worse. i also got my first y.i. ever while on nuva ring. so basically it was a nightmare for me.

but i'm especially sensitive to the hormones in most forms of birth control, so my experience could be worse than most. also, every woman is built differently...the way the ring is made and where it's placed in the vagina, doesn't take into account our widely different bodies and builds. right now i'm on orthotricyclen lo, which has worked beautifully for me for the last couple of years. it has a lower dose of hormones than typical b.c. pills. i haven't had any side effects. the only thing is i hate having to remember to take a pill everyday, but until my Master decides to have my tubes tied, i'll have to stick with this.

btw...i'm curious about anyone's experiences with the copper IUD.....the idea of it appeals to me because of the total lack of hormones, and how long it lasts (years). but i'm wondering if it'll just be like the nuva ring all over again (feeling it, partners feeling it)?

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RE: contraceptives..eek!! - 11/8/2006 8:47:44 AM   
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RE: contraceptives..eek!! - 11/8/2006 8:54:20 AM   
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I was on Depo for almost 5 years. While i was on it I loved it. But the side affects I had after I came off were not fun. Like LA said everyone responds differently to drugs and hormone treatment so all I can give you is my personal experience and that of those I've known to try it as well.

While I was on Depo I had one period in 4.5 years. wonderful right? hehe I thought so at the time. Here is what happend  when I went off it though.
- Huge mood swings, one minute i was crying ( i rarely cry) the next I was trying to implant objects in to my boyfriends head.
the like fuzzy facial hair that all women have darkened in areas. Moustache and chin. So now looking into laser hair removal. a beard at 30 is not pretty.
- Mom front butt. meaning my once flat tummy got that nasty little paunch in front before I had my mini me. And it's a real pain in the ass to try and get that part flat again.
- I can no longer take any form of hormone birth control at all. If I try i get the massive mood swings and constant break through bleeding.
- I now have what's called a sensitive cervix. My doctor did say that they can not directly connect the depo to the cause but I never had it before. Because of the sensitive cervix I also have cervical erosion.
- Lastly, my once very scheduled cycle is now all over the place.

My mother and sister tried Depo and ended up bleeding for three months straight while the drug was in their system.

My god daughter did the supposed impossible and got pregnant on depo.

Just some thing to think about while you are searching for a new form of birth control.

The doctor I have no refuses to prescribe Depo for anyone


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RE: contraceptives..eek!! - 11/8/2006 9:07:45 AM   
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quote:

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btw...i'm curious about anyone's experiences with the copper IUD.....the idea of it appeals to me because of the total lack of hormones, and how long it lasts (years). but i'm wondering if it'll just be like the nuva ring all over again (feeling it, partners feeling it)?


Hi daddysprop

I've been on the copper T for the last 3.5 years and I really like it. my periods that used to be 8 - 13 days is down to 4-7. Some women experience worse cramping during their period but I never have so far.

No one has ever felt the string during any forms of sex. I can feel it when i look for it. which you are supposed to do after your period just to check that it didn't do the unimaginable and come out. No they don't come out that easily but you never know right? Other then when I actually go feeling for the string I don't feel a thing. You don't even know it's there.
I was concerned during fisting that there might be a problem or pain from the pressure but I experience no ill effects from that either.

The no hormone for me is exactly what i have to have and well the diaphram is just icky.

They say the copper T can be worn from 2 - 5 years. I like to err on the side of caution and I change mine out about every 2 - 2.5 years.

The cost here in Canada is $50. Not sure what it would be in the US. I'm guessing about the same. Some GP's will insert and remove them for you but I go to OB/Gyn

Hope this helps if only a little

*edited to fight off the spelling trolls

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RE: contraceptives..eek!! - 11/8/2006 9:25:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		If you're looking for a minimally invasive contraceptive that will reduce/eliminate your period, I'd suggest you check out Mirena. It's a hormonal (progestin) IUD. It's good for 5 years, but is pricey ($400.00 or so in Canada). Theoretically, because of the small amount of hormone being released, it doesn't get past the uterus, so you don't have the concerns/risks associated with other hormonal contraceptives. Be forewarned: you will have NASTY cramping for several days afterwards. I know a few people on it, and they don't seem to be suffering from any side effects ~ some have had their periods dissappear after a few months... most have had their moods even out... no one has gotten pregnant ... no funky hair-growth. Also, no one has complained about feeling it during sex.
 
As for copper IUD's, they're good for about 10 years. I don't know how much they cost, but in Canada, most health plans cover them. If you have any type of metal allergy, BE CAREFUL!!! I wouldn't recommend copper if you do... the effects are horrible & painful.
 
If you want permanent birth control, you could look at endometrial ablation (removal of the uterine lining). There are various methods available - you'd have to talk with your doctor to see which is right for you.

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RE: contraceptives..eek!! - 11/8/2006 10:48:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Daddysprop,
I was on one of the ortho series back in my early 20's. I did really good on it. So I can understand how you feel about the low dose and it being a good thing. My doc at that that liked to switch me out after I had been on a certain type after 5 years or so. Matter of fact the only time I ever got preggy was one of those rare times they took me off for a break from the hormones, and I was pregnant within 2 weeks. That was nearly 20 years ago. So now I very very careful.

The IUD thing is a thought. I always wandered if it would uncomfy.

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RE: contraceptives..eek!! - 11/8/2006 10:58:15 AM   
leakylee


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Status: offline 		Hey Akisha,
Lord knows our hormones running nuts are bad enough, please please no help..hehe.. Body chemistry is such a tricky thing. It helps so much though when I can say to the GYN ok, what about this, or this, or this. When they have your history, and your reactions, maybe between the two, I dont get furry. Ortho Evera can do that too.

Alot of what you are saying is in the listed side effects on depo, but the IUD is not something that I had considered. I really detest taking the pills, and it is reassuring that may stay put when the fists are being applied.

Thank you

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RE: contraceptives..eek!! - 11/8/2006 11:00:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Mikal,
So this is an IUD that and the periods have may fade.. Now that is one to go look up.

That is good!!

me

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RE: contraceptives..eek!! - 11/8/2006 11:03:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		I know akisha mentioned her periods being shortened on the copper iud, but you should know that that is the opposite of the norm.  Most women you talk to (and most doctors) will tell you that it is more likely for a woman to have more painful periods with heavier bleeding.  The mirena (hormonal iud) is more likely to do the opposite, in fact some women find that they only have a period a few times a year. 

As far as feeling it... some say they've never had problems, others have said their men have felt the string.  You get a whole bunch of different experiences as far as that goes.

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RE: contraceptives..eek!! - 11/8/2006 1:27:48 PM   
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quote:

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Alot of what you are saying is in the listed side effects on depo, but the IUD is not something that I had considered. I really detest taking the pills, and it is reassuring that may stay put when the fists are being applied.

Thank you

love and light
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I went on Depo in the early 90's. 91 - 96 actually and I read up on it thuroughly. Sadly at that time the amount of side effects was not as well known. Oh well live and learn.


amativedame
As for the IUD with the hormone in it, it's not something i can't use, even with the low dose of hormone. I still react badly *sighs*

But you are totally right. I am one of the ones that doesn't have adverse reactions to the copper T. But atleast with the standard copper T if you do react you can have it removed immediately and the reactions stop. with any of the hormone contraceptives the reaction stay until the drug or hormone is completely out of your system. Which sucks.


Edited to add.....

Realize anything that alters your normal body functions... like stopping your period completely or reducing it to a couple times a year, is screwing around with your normal chemical and hormonal balance and can cause adverse effects. Some might not show up for years. Plus they have proven that hormone treatment does higher your risks of cancer. Just something to keep in mind.

The joy of not having a period for a couple years may very well come back to bite you in the ass when you're older. You just have to decide if it's worth the risk.

Looking back, knowing what i know now I never would have taken depo. But that's just me

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RE: contraceptives..eek!! - 11/8/2006 7:55:31 PM   
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If you are looking for a permanant method of B/C I recommend talking to your Doctor about Hydrothermal Endometrial Ablation. (sometimes abbreviated as HTA.) HTA is the removal of the uterine lining by bathing the uterus with hypotonic saline, heated to a point that it destroys the cells that produce the monthly lining. It may, or may not have to be performed more than once to completely eliminate any regrowth. It has a good track record, and is only contraindicated for efficacy in women with uterine fibroids, or those who have very large wombs which permit the solution to cool below the point of cell destruction.
Short of the operator puncturing the uterus with the probe (This happens about as often as a Surgeon leaving a scalpel in a patient) it has an exceedingly low risk of complications, and once the cells are completely gone, you'll be both period free, and infertile. Some girls choose to also get a tubal in conjuction, just as an extra layer of protection, but that is strictly a personal decision.
DISCLAIMER... I am not a Doctor, nor do I play one on TV. I am not suggesting this, or any other procedure, merely advocating that you discuss it with a qualified Physician whom you trust, if the results sound like something you'd be interested in.

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RE: contraceptives..eek!! - 11/8/2006 7:59:37 PM   
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everyone has their reasons for using what they use, and I certainly wasn't question your reasons.   I think its great that it works so well for you... just wanted to throw out there that your reaction isn't quite the norm.  It certainly does happen.. but its less common.  Since not everyone becomes as informed as they should, I just wanted to throw that extra little fact out there.  That would be one hell of a wake up call ya know?

Personally, as much as I love the long use of the copper iud... but I have a feeling the odds of having your luck with side effects would not be good.  The hormonal version can be a good option for others where the traditional copper wouldn't be practical.


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RE: contraceptives..eek!! - 11/8/2006 10:15:17 PM   
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I started using the Nuva Ring after I read about increased stroke risks with the patch. I never cared for the patch anyway, as they were always falling off my skin, leaving me wondering how protected I really was.
I did the Depo shot for a few years but the mood swings and weight gain made it a less-than-viable option for me.
I am able to get the Nuva Ring through a local clinic for $8.00 a piece. If I had to pay the full copay under my insurance, it would be $60.00 a month, which I can't afford. If you are considering the ring, check with your health care provider or with local clinics (try ones associated with teaching hospitals) to see if there are any programs available that might assist you in paying for it.
I will say that it has popped out on us a couple of times during sex. Not too embarassing, really. Heck, my Daddy has seen me in way more embarassing scenarios. I just popped it back in, but it left me wondering: if I had not gone to make the bed right after, how long would I have gone without protection?
One issue Im having with the ring of late is that in certain sexual positions where penetration is particularly deep, the ring tends to get jammed up against my cervix with every thrust and, well, that really hurts... and not in a good way.

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RE: contraceptives..eek!! - 11/8/2006 10:45:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		IUD's are a good way to go, so I have heard, but there are a couple things about them that my doctor told me. If you want one, you have to be completely monogamous for one year beforehand, and the entire time while the IUD is in. You also must be STD free, because an simple infection like chylamidia can actually use the IUD as a sort of "ladder", moving deeper into your uterus than it generally would.

Personally, I use VCF when its with a monogamous partner, and condoms when not. I like the vcf, but it makes oral after sex impossible due to the bad taste. Its also kind of a pain to put in for EVERY session, but the advantage is that it is inexpensive and available without a prescription.

I hope you find what is right for you!

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RE: contraceptives..eek!! - 11/9/2006 6:14:06 AM   
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i am a physician specifically one trained in gynecology thugh i have never played one on TV.  i will not give specific medical advice online but will discuss generalities.  If you want specific advice make an appointment for a complete physical, lab and a thorough medical history.  This will be difficult now as i am disabled.

Now that the disclaimers are out of the way"
1) Therre is no perfect contraceptive nor a perfect patient.  All methods work for some people and each person has a best technique though that my change with time and usually does.

2) No single drug or device or even single method of contraception is either safe or effective for everyone.

3) ALL techniques have failure rates!  Tubal ligations have a failure rate of roughky 1 per 500 woman/years.  There have even been pregnancies reported after hysterectomy, though these are tubal pregnancies.

What to choose depends in part on your goals, do you want to permanently end your fertility or space pregnancy or simply defer it at this time?  How long would you use a technique?  For long term but not permanent contraception without the hassle of daily, weekly or even monthly redosing you might consider the newly released single capsule implant Implanon TM, which lasts three years.  It is also hormonally similar to Depoprovera TM but many women have tolerated that well.  The IUCDs are also good but can cause increased cramping, increased bleeding and increase the severity of chlamydia and gonorrhea.  Finally the Nuva TM ring uses a combination of an estrogen and a progestin like most birth control pills and the Evra TM patch so its long term safety will rank with both of them which despite scare tactics from attorneys looking for business is not bad at all.


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