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Ending The Culture of Corruption, Democrat-style - 11/14/2006 1:05:02 PM   
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In 2005, Nancy Pelosi stated, "We're here to talk about setting a new ethical standard for the House of Representatives...The American people want, they expect, and indeed they deserve, Congress to function in a way that meets a high ethical standard. I do not believe that that is the case now."

Let's take a look at Pelosi's "ethical standards":

She's backing Jack "redeploy the troops to Okinawa" Murtha for House Majority Leader.  The same Murtha who called US troops cold-blooded murderers; the same Murtha who is on videotape entertaining bribes from undercover FBI agents during the Abscam scandal in 1980.

She's backing Alcee Hastings for the House Intelligence Committee.  Even though it's almost unanimious that Jane Harman is infinitely more qualified, Harman supports the WoT, and that's a no-no for a San Fran liberal like Pelosi.  Btw, this is the same Alcee Hastings who was impeached and removed from the federal bench for accepting a $150,000 bribe back in 1989.

Who is this Nancy Pelosi?  Why is the very liberal Old Media falling all over themselves to lick her shoes?  What are Nancy Pelosi's values?  Well, Pelosi comes from a county that voted:
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to impeach both President Bush and Vice President Cheney (which would put Rep. Nancy Pelosi into the presidency), by a margin of 59 to 41.

for publicly financing candidates in state races by raising taxes on corporations and financial institutions, 52-48 (it failed statewide, 75-25, in spite of Pelosi’s voters’ support).

voted down a measure that would have limited the government’s use of eminent domain, thus siding more or less with the widely reviled Kelo decision, 71-29.

and voted against a measure that would have increased the penalties for sex offenders and would have subjected sex offenders to more monitoring

http://hotair.com/archives/2006/11/13/san-francisco-values/

Well, at least she ain't one of them dastardly religious people or a neocon. 

And today there's more on the end of The Culture of Corruption:
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=529916
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U.S. Rep. Gwen Moore’s campaign is quickly becoming a family business.

Not only does the Milwaukee Democrat have her sister Brenda on the campaign payroll to the tune of nearly $40,000 annually, as we reported last year, but Moore now has brought on her 27-year-old son, Sowande Omokunde, also known as Supreme Solar Allah.

Recent campaign reports show Moore, who was easily re-elected to a second term, paid her son $1,500 in October for political consulting. Omokunde told others that he was the campaign’s deputy field director.  Neither the congresswoman nor her sister returned calls Friday.

As you may recall, Omokunde was one of four Democratic staffers who pleaded guilty to misdemeanors for slashing tires on 25 vans hours before Republican Party officials were to use them to drive voters to the polls on election day 2004. In April, Omokunde was sentenced to four months in jail and fined $1,000 for his role in the much-publicized caper.

But he obviously had a soft landing. How many other criminals can walk out of jail and into a job on a congressional campaign payroll?

Democrats cheated on election day?!  I'm shocked - shocked - to hear that.  It's not like they have a reputation for doing that (all the dead people who rise from their graves to vote Democrat, trying to get overseas military votes disqualified, etc)... 

The Dems won Congress by offering voters moderate/conservative Democrats, but it is still the far left -  that controls the Democrat Party. 
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RE: Ending The Culture of Corruption, Democrat-style - 11/14/2006 1:09:10 PM   
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Heeeh heehhhhh hhhhhheehhh he said corruption heee heeeehhhhh eeehhhhhhhhh...

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RE: Ending The Culture of Corruption, Democrat-style - 11/14/2006 1:34:26 PM   
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I have to admit, I'm a little bothered by the people being suggested for leadership positions, given Ms. Pelosi's earlier comments.

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RE: Ending The Culture of Corruption, Democrat-style - 11/14/2006 1:39:29 PM   
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Okay, so people will come on this thread with contempt and disgust at these things, or with links to disprove them, right? No "well, the Republicans did......", or some such? Or they'll ignore it all together?
 
Let's watch and see.

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RE: Ending The Culture of Corruption, Democrat-style - 11/14/2006 1:48:16 PM   
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*sigh*  I'm staying out of this one.  I've got work to do the rest of the week.

Unless someone makes a really juicy remark.

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RE: Ending The Culture of Corruption, Democrat-style - 11/14/2006 1:55:52 PM   
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lol Kentucky. Today is my last day off here as well, but we'll see. And I don't want to put myself on a pedestal, I know I've responded with "but so and so did this" before.... but I try to see what the OP or poster is saying, as well.

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RE: Ending The Culture of Corruption, Democrat-style - 11/14/2006 1:58:35 PM   
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The odds are you uncover enough rocks that Pelosi has probably done something unethical and questionable, but the examples the OP used have nothing to do with ethics. Those are bleiefs and decisions not poor ethics.

Don't like the views of Pelosi and the others more power to you but to compare their views and tie them to a corruption rant is just a bitter sore loser situation.

No policians can escape the microscope unscathed, but to the Republicans for the last six years have held the two branches and absolute power corrupted them to the point THEY even recognize the problem. Compare apples to apples.



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RE: Ending The Culture of Corruption, Democrat-style - 11/14/2006 1:58:41 PM   
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You seem to forget one important fact.....


She's a politician!

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RE: Ending The Culture of Corruption, Democrat-style - 11/14/2006 2:00:03 PM   
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I am waiting for the facts and citations regarding corruption, because, as I understand the common use of it, nothing cited was corrupt, and nothing done that wasn't done anywhere else in the political real estate offices. 

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RE: Ending The Culture of Corruption, Democrat-style - 11/14/2006 2:00:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

You seem to forget one important fact.....


She's a politician!


MC, you may have a point.

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RE: Ending The Culture of Corruption, Democrat-style - 11/14/2006 2:51:06 PM   
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Toservez:
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The odds are you uncover enough rocks that Pelosi has probably done something unethical and questionable, but the examples the OP used have nothing to do with ethics. Those are bleiefs and decisions not poor ethics.

Don't like the views of Pelosi and the others more power to you but to compare their views and tie them to a corruption rant is just a bitter sore loser situation.

I'm not a bitter sore loser.  It's not like the midterm election results were a big surprise.  It's a historical pattern that a 2-term President loses seats in the 6th year midterm election. 

I am baffled by your claim that you cannot tie ethics and corruption together.  Pelosi promised to bring ethics back to the House and she is backing Alcee Hastings over the far more qualified Jane Harman (who supports the WoT) for the House Intelligence Committee.  Hastings was impeached and removed from the federal bench in 1989 for accepting a $150,000 bribe.    
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No policians can escape the microscope unscathed, but to the Republicans for the last six years have held the two branches and absolute power corrupted them to the point THEY even recognize the problem. Compare apples to apples

The Bush administration corruption is lightweight when compared to the rampant corruption of the 8 years of  Bill "lifelong Democrat Chris Wallace did a conservative hitjob on me" Clinton ruling...

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RE: Ending The Culture of Corruption, Democrat-style - 11/14/2006 3:20:46 PM   
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I don't want to get into the left vs. right, who is more corrupt than whom thing ... that's all pretty pointless.
 
But ... I don't think this is about views, and what we agree or don't agree with. Forget there is a Republican party, and a war, and President Bush ... forget all that for a minute. Alcee Hasting, exactly one week after making an issue out of cleaning up corruption in Congress? You must be kidding ... right?
 
Representative Murtha, I think you can give some benefit of doubt. He didn't actually take any money, and I can completely see how he might play a little close to the vest to try to get some legal invenstments in his district. He might have practiced poor judgment, but didn't really break any law or do anything unethical, and if you take him at his word, he did what he did, for the right reasons.
 
But Alcee Hastings ... really? You really, really, REALLY want to talk about corruption in Congress, and then put Alcee Hastings in a position of power in Congress?
 
I was excited about Nancy Pelosi last week. I'm just being honest, I'm very disappointed today.

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RE: Ending The Culture of Corruption, Democrat-style - 11/14/2006 3:39:47 PM   
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Some wiki info:
 
In 1989, Hastings was impeached by the Democratic-controlled U.S. House of Representatives for bribery and perjury. The Democratic-controlled Senate convicted Judge Hastings of accepting a $150,000 bribe in 1981 in exchange for a lenient sentence and of perjury in his testimony about the case. He became only the sixth Judge in the history of United States to be removed from office by the United States Senate. (The Senate had the option to forbid Hastings from ever seeking federal office again, but did not do so.)

Hastings filed suit in federal court claiming that his impeachment trial was invalid because he was tried by a Senate committee, not in front of the full Senate, and that he had been acquitted in a criminal trial. Judge Stanley Sporkin ruled in favor of Hastings, remanding the case back to the Senate, but stayed his ruling pending the outcome of an appeal to the Supreme Court in a similar case regarding Judge Walter Nixon, who had also been impeached and removed.

Sporkin found some "crucial distinctions"[2] between Nixon's case and Hastings', specifically, that Nixon had been convicted criminally, and that Hastings was not found guilty by two-thirds of the committee who actually "tried" his impeachment in the Senate. He further added that Hastings had a right to trial by the full Senate.

The Supreme Court, however, ruled that the federal courts have no jurisdiction over Senate impeachment matters, and Sporkin's ruling was vacated, and Hastings' conviction and removal were upheld.

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RE: Ending The Culture of Corruption, Democrat-style - 11/14/2006 3:57:51 PM   
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ok I agree with mnottertail...there is a difference between having no personal ethics and corruption....while it sounds nice to group the two together, and unethical behavior could contribute or bring about corruption, that is not always the case. What I see about Pelosi and the others mentioned is that they lack ethics and in a way like all politicians in the world, jump in the victory bandwagon....meaning what the critisize today they did in the past or vice-versa.

Corruption would entail receiving money they shouldn't abusing their positions of power to grant favors or allow some form of nepotism....anyway Im getting sidetracked, but you get the idea. I do think ideally politicians should have ethics in their actions and be consistent.

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RE: Ending The Culture of Corruption, Democrat-style - 11/14/2006 3:59:36 PM   
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Well, Pelosi comes from a county that voted...


I voted the exact same ways myself. Prop 83 makes punishment perpetual, which I think is cruel and unusual (either someone has served their time or they haven't, but punishment and surveillance must end at some point in my view - if you don't want to do that then these people should remain in prisons or mental hospitals). Prop 90 simply goes too far, although I agree with the main purpose of it in limiting the use of public domain.

Has it occurred to you that you are demonizing Pelosi without even having knowledge of her specific voting pattern on these issues? That's fairly nutty in my view...


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RE: Ending The Culture of Corruption, Democrat-style - 11/14/2006 4:29:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: saskslave

In 2005, Nancy Pelosi stated, "We're here to talk about setting a new ethical standard for the House of Representatives...The American people want, they expect, and indeed they deserve, Congress to function in a way that meets a high ethical standard. I do not believe that that is the case now."

Let's take a look at Pelosi's "ethical standards"




Yeah….And Bush replaced Rumsfeld with Robert Gates; a guy who worked directly under William Casey, who was completely entwined in Iran contra / Salvadorian death squads, etc.  

Then there was an attempt by George H. Bush, then the vice president, to promote Gates to directorship of CIA. Gates was so dirty that he only made it half way through the senate conformation hearings before he ‘’dropped out’’ after coming under close scrutiny in cross examination. Even the Iran-contra special prosecutor, Lawrence Walsh, in his final report, noted that Gates was a dirty dog.    

So what’s your point?  

Jane Harmon is basically a sympathetic proponent for unlimited funding for both the nation-state of Israel and the Iraq war. She might as well change parties; because she’s acted in a manner complicit with the neocon trajectory.    

The Nov 7th overturning of the Republican congress was a message from the American people that they want checks and balances returned to the system. Harmon was / is a rubber stamp for the administration. Why would the American people vote to remove Bush’s rubber stamp and then have the democrats replace one rubber stamp with another?  

Since I’m not an ideologue, the only thing I can say in Hastings’ impeachment defense is, he was acquitted in a criminal trial from any wrong doing.

As I mentioned in a previous post, I see Hastings as a good choice to head the committee just from the stand point that he’s not going to act like a rubber stamp. He’s tough and he’s had top fight his way back. The neocons won’t be able to intimidate him and he’ll scrutinize everything they bring before him.


I like Murtha much better than Sensebrenner, so I'll save him for another post.







 

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RE: Ending The Culture of Corruption, Democrat-style - 11/14/2006 4:58:43 PM   
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...and...What a wonderful world it is when we compare the corruption or speculate on the motives of the people in both political parties. The democrats are corrupt for sure but they always are sorta amateurish don't you think ? The Republicans..now they are true pros at corruption.

DEMS are AMATEURS I tell you:

Tom Delany put his wife on his payroll at $400,000/yr

Like Cunnigham: take $3 million not $150,000

Let's see if the dems have what it really takes to govern.

First: Keep the 'K' Street Project and its brand new 12,000 lobyists, just try to make sure they are now democrats or some just may have to lose their jobs. There are two (2) types of lobbyists...for-profit and non-profit. Can the dems keep the money rolling out for the for-profit lobbyists ?

Can't win the majority with your brand of politics, use a 'gap' in any constitutional census-taking and consensus to gerrymand the whole state of  '?' put your state in here (Texas) to obtain a majority in the Federal House of Reps..

Like the previous majority, dems should now deprive all Republican amendments in committee and on the house floor. In fact, do not allow any Republicans in the room when writing bills.Then when they run again, say the Republicans have no ideas.

Take money to keep water and air a little dirtier, those having such a LARGE impact on profits.

Feel the pain of lumber, steel and international investors with tarrifs and yet another waist of money with an IMF bailout for Brazil, Argentina and Russia.

Continue to make sure the profit police keep out cheap drugs (the same we buy here) so we keep the 'best' (not) healthcare system in the world. Thus we keep paying through the nose for drugs in the US so others can live longer by actually being able to afford such meds. The growth in US life expectancy has now stopped and will soon start to decline.

Make sure broadband has no competition, keeping the US ranked 15th in coverage, 21st when price is included...right behind Esotonia...causing businesses to leave.

QUESTION: As of 1996 it had been 79 years for the Republicans to have consecutive majorities in the house...WHY 79 YEARS...? There is a reason, and it is obvious. They should have changed their name to the Capitalist party back in the 20's. The Republicans are ALL about money and power, for business, for themselves, for their friends and for their investors in government.


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RE: Ending The Culture of Corruption, Democrat-style - 11/14/2006 5:12:17 PM   
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But Alcee Hastings ... really? You really, really, REALLY want to talk about corruption in Congress, and then put Alcee Hastings in a position of power in Congress?
 
I was excited about Nancy Pelosi last week. I'm just being honest, I'm very disappointed today.



Caitlyn....

How can you post comments like this and then write in a positive light about someone like John McCain, who was part of the ''Keating Five''? That savings and loan scandal hurt our country more than the junk bond fiasco of Boesky / Milken.



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RE: Ending The Culture of Corruption, Democrat-style - 11/14/2006 7:59:28 PM   
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How can you post comments like this and then write in a positive light about someone like John McCain, who was part of the ''Keating Five''? That savings and loan scandal hurt our country more than the junk bond fiasco of Boesky / Milken.


The simple and literal answer to the question, is that I can post it because I'm ignorant of the event you mentioned.
 
You've posted some information I've checked up on in the past, and found it to be damn accurate, so this will probably end up being a post where I learn something, and ending up saying thank you ... so I might as well cut to the chase, and thank you now.

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RE: Ending The Culture of Corruption, Democrat-style - 11/14/2006 8:04:08 PM   
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Hmm....

Here is howI see the whole democrat vs republican question.


2 hopefulls for P-resident in 2004.

John Kerry and George W. Bush.

Both have elitist connections and both are members of Yale University secret society...skull and bones.

Either way...the ELITE WIN.

2 hopeefulls for P-resident in 2008

Hillary and Rudy Guliani

Both powerful NY politicians

Both servants of Rockefeller interests.

Either way...the ELITE WIN.

The PEOPLE lose.

As usual.

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