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RE: Toys for Tots refuses Talking Jesus Dolls. - 11/17/2006 7:51:05 PM   
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A Calif. co. offered to donate 4,000 "Talking Jesus Dolls" to the Marines' "Toys for Tots" program but was rebuffed on religious grounds.
The Marines spokesman said; "We don't want to have these dolls get into the hands of Muslim or Jewish children mistakenly." (paraphrase)
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think Muslims or Jews celebrate "Christmas."



Correct me if Im wrong too but since when are the only children worthy of toys during the holidays the ones that celebrate christmas??

I dont know maybe Im stupid but  maybe that lil jewish kid that doesnt get anything for honukkah because his parents dont have money qualifies for the toys for tots program and Im pretty sure he wouldnt like getting a talking jesus doll!!!

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Magik, well we could give him one for "Chanuka" but not for "Christmas."
We wouldn't want to ***"OFFEND***" anyone now, would we?

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RE: Toys for Tots refuses Talking Jesus Dolls. - 11/17/2006 7:51:11 PM   
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But I hardly see where the ripcord talking Jesus with the George Bush action voice and the Dick Cheney grousing shotgun pellet blood bags should leave anyone here  disconcerted............

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RE: Toys for Tots refuses Talking Jesus Dolls. - 11/17/2006 7:53:13 PM   
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A Calif. co. offered to donate 4,000 "Talking Jesus Dolls" to the Marines' "Toys for Tots" program but was rebuffed on religious grounds.
The Marines spokesman said; "We don't want to have these dolls get into the hands of Muslim or Jewish children mistakenly." (paraphrase)
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think Muslims or Jews celebrate "Christmas."



Correct me if Im wrong too but since when are the only children worthy of toys during the holidays the ones that celebrate christmas??

I dont know maybe Im stupid but  maybe that lil jewish kid that doesnt get anything for honukkah because his parents dont have money qualifies for the toys for tots program and Im pretty sure he wouldnt like getting a talking jesus doll!!!

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Magik, well we could give him one for "Chanuka" but not for "Christmas."
We wouldn't want to ***"OFFEND***" anyone now, would we?


Well that didnt really adress the fact that your post infered that only kids celebrateing christmas should get toys from toys for tots!!

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RE: Toys for Tots refuses Talking Jesus Dolls. - 11/17/2006 8:00:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Magik, the point is that Jewish and Muslim people don't celebrate "Christmas."
They're *not* Christian. lol

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RE: Toys for Tots refuses Talking Jesus Dolls. - 11/17/2006 8:04:14 PM   
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Magik, the point is that Jewish and Muslim people don't celebrate "Christmas."
They're *not* Christian. lol


what does that have to do with the price of peanuts??
LOL

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RE: Toys for Tots refuses Talking Jesus Dolls. - 11/17/2006 8:10:59 PM   
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RE: Toys for Tots refuses Talking Jesus Dolls. - 11/17/2006 8:21:22 PM   
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Magik, the point is that Jewish and Muslim people don't celebrate "Christmas."
They're *not* Christian. lol


I don't think you have managed to grasp a concept here.

Jewish people and Muslim people and Pagan people have a happy celebrating time during what we consider the "Holiday Season". During this happy celebrating time, they give gifts to children too. Some of these people are very poor, just like some Christians. So the Marines give those children toys too! Note that the name is Toys for Tots not Toy for Christians. Now, all those toys come out of the same grab bag which means *drumroll* A Muslin kid could get a Jesus toy. Do you want a Christian child stuck with a talking Muhammad?

Jesus Christ on a cross... My faith steals a date from another religion to try to surpress it as a different holy day, tramples all over and rapes other cultures and then people get pissed when they realize that *gasp* maybe children of  those other faiths don't want a talking hunk of plastic molded in the shape of what Christianity is all about.

This is not a difficult concept to grasp folks. Toys for Tots gives out toys to children of every creed during the holiday season. The winter holidays are not just for us Christians. Learn to share or learn to shut up.

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RE: Toys for Tots refuses Talking Jesus Dolls. - 11/17/2006 9:11:19 PM   
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Magik, the point is that Jewish and Muslim people don't celebrate "Christmas."
They're *not* Christian. lol


I don't think you have managed to grasp a concept here.

Jewish people and Muslim people and Pagan people have a happy celebrating time during what we consider the "Holiday Season". During this happy celebrating time, they give gifts to children too. Some of these people are very poor, just like some Christians. So the Marines give those children toys too! Note that the name is Toys for Tots not Toy for Christians. Now, all those toys come out of the same grab bag which means *drumroll* A Muslin kid could get a Jesus toy. Do you want a Christian child stuck with a talking Muhammad?

Jesus Christ on a cross... My faith steals a date from another religion to try to surpress it as a different holy day, tramples all over and rapes other cultures and then people get pissed when they realize that *gasp* maybe children of  those other faiths don't want a talking hunk of plastic molded in the shape of what Christianity is all about.

This is not a difficult concept to grasp folks. Toys for Tots gives out toys to children of every creed during the holiday season. The winter holidays are not just for us Christians. Learn to share or learn to shut up.


Thank you I couldnt see how to explain it but you did it for me.. I just got frustrated and rather then start a fight that I felt I was going to I just gave in...

I guess I resented his narrow minded statement even though I really think he just wasnt thinking when he wrote what he did...

I just kept thinking why would kids that celebrate christmas be more worthy of gifts it seems he thought that way as he seems to think toys for tots should only be for them.. Ok im shutting up now.

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RE: Toys for Tots refuses Talking Jesus Dolls. - 11/17/2006 9:20:20 PM   
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Thank you I couldnt see how to explain it but you did it for me.. I just got frustrated and rather then start a fight that I felt I was going to I just gave in...

I guess I resented his narrow minded statement even though I really think he just wasnt thinking when he wrote what he did...

I just kept thinking why would kids that celebrate christmas be more worthy of gifts it seems he thought that way as he seems to think toys for tots should only be for them.. Ok im shutting up now.

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It's ok. I get frustrated with it because I am a Christian and, in my humble little opinion, these are the types of Christians that give me a bad name. There are lots of religions that give gifts during the holiday time of year and Toys for Tots are for all of them.

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RE: Toys for Tots refuses Talking Jesus Dolls. - 11/18/2006 12:53:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		One would think so, but their website goes out of its way to say that the toys are Christmas gifts.

http://www.toysfortots.org/about_toys_for_tots/toys_for_tots_program/default.asp

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There are lots of religions that give gifts during the holiday time of year and Toys for Tots are for all of them.

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RE: Toys for Tots refuses Talking Jesus Dolls. - 11/18/2006 6:46:02 AM   
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One would think so, but their website goes out of its way to say that the toys are Christmas gifts.

http://www.toysfortots.org/about_toys_for_tots/toys_for_tots_program/default.asp

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There are lots of religions that give gifts during the holiday time of year and Toys for Tots are for all of them.



That makes me very sad though I know they give out gifts to everyone. Oh well. One can only expect the armed forces to be so intelligent. At least they turned down the talking Jesus dolls.

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RE: Toys for Tots refuses Talking Jesus Dolls. - 11/18/2006 8:34:06 AM   
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One would think so, but their website goes out of its way to say that the toys are Christmas gifts.

http://www.toysfortots.org/about_toys_for_tots/toys_for_tots_program/default.asp

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There are lots of religions that give gifts during the holiday time of year and Toys for Tots are for all of them.


Maybe because they recognize the "winter holiday" as Christmas.  Since approximately 80% of the American populous claims to be Christian, this does not surprise me at all.  Nor does it make me sad, as it seems to so affect others.  I do not know of other religions that have a tradition of gift giving as Christmas does, other than the smaller gifts given in Hanukkah/Chanukah. Does Kwaanza, for example, celebrate wtih lights, decorations, and gifts?  If a charitable organization chose to give out Kwaanza gifts instead of Christmas gifts, well more power to 'em, I suppose, but they would not be reaching the majority of the masses. 

In reading their website, I learned that the Military does not fund this program.  The Military set up a foundation which fund raises for this program.  This country's leading organizations fund it.  The Marines do utilize their people to collect the toys, however.

In 2003, Toys for Tots was named "Outstanding Nonprofit Organization of the Year," and "America's Best Children's Charity."  I think they're doing something right, no?  The idea of Toys for Tots was born out of a Marine's wife who made a Raggedy Ann doll to give away for Christmas....apparently it is a tradition that has grown quite well.

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RE: Toys for Tots refuses Talking Jesus Dolls. - 11/18/2006 9:18:27 AM   
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http://www.officialkwanzaawebsite.org/index.shtml

Anyway, the point isn't whether most people are white Christians, but why a Toys-for-Tots program has to go out of its way in its mission statement to exclude people who aren't.  That doesn't make any sense in a government-sponsored program.  Why can't it be a HOLIDAY gift-giving charity?  Why does it have to be a CHRISTMAS gift-giving charity?

Besides, there are plenty of Christians who don't give gifts on December 25.  It's called the Orthodox Church.  They wait till January 6.  You can read about them, too.

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I do not know of other religions that have a tradition of gift giving as Christmas does, other than the smaller gifts given in Hanukkah/Chanukah. Does Kwaanza, for example, celebrate wtih lights, decorations, and gifts?  If a charitable organization chose to give out Kwaanza gifts instead of Christmas gifts, well more power to 'em, I suppose, but they would not be reaching the majority of the masses.

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RE: Toys for Tots refuses Talking Jesus Dolls. - 11/18/2006 9:29:52 AM   
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One would think so, but their website goes out of its way to say that the toys are Christmas gifts.

http://www.toysfortots.org/about_toys_for_tots/toys_for_tots_program/default.asp

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There are lots of religions that give gifts during the holiday time of year and Toys for Tots are for all of them.



That makes me very sad though I know they give out gifts to everyone. Oh well. One can only expect the armed forces to be so intelligent. At least they turned down the talking Jesus dolls.


Why so sad?
If they're not Christian fuck em, "no toy for you!"
I mean should I get sad because I won't be receiving a Kwanza toy?
Or a dradle because I'm not Jewish?
I don't understand all this "inclusiveness" anyway.
Don't tell me you're against "Diversity."
Different people do different things and have different traditions.
You're not against Traditions are you?
People are different, what's wrong with that?
Being of Irish Heritage (and having Irish Citizenship) we celebrate things that the English right next door don't celebrate and the English celebrate things that the Irish don't celebrate. And both countries have their own holidays as well.
Nothing wrong with that!
It's called "Diversity."
As my friend Larry the Cable Guy says; "I have nothing against muslims, I hope they all get a wicker basket full of snakes for Christmas!"

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RE: Toys for Tots refuses Talking Jesus Dolls. - 11/18/2006 9:37:35 AM   
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Separation of church and state, remember?

So either give them for a holiday event, or shove yer program up yer bum.

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RE: Toys for Tots refuses Talking Jesus Dolls. - 11/18/2006 9:45:41 AM   
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No, but a government program should not be giving anything to a religious event.

Separation of church and state, remember?

So either give them for a holiday event, or shove yer program up yer bum.

Yours,


benji


Benji, it's not a govt. "program."
No U.S. govt. money is involved as far as I know.
The Marines who participate in this do so *on their own time*.

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RE: Toys for Tots refuses Talking Jesus Dolls. - 11/18/2006 9:56:49 AM   
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RE: Toys for Tots refuses Talking Jesus Dolls. - 11/18/2006 10:03:08 AM   
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The fact that you haven't heard of something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.  Read about how Kwanzaa is celebrated:

http://www.officialkwanzaawebsite.org/index.shtml

Thank you for the link....interesting stuff.  And yes I agree about not knowing of something vs. whether it exists or not.  That's why I was careful to say I didn't know of it, rather than make a statement about its existence or not.  The Kwanzaa (now I know how to spell it, too!) gifts include a book and a heritage symbol.  I'm thinking this celebration is not so commercialized as Christmas is. 

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Anyway, the point isn't whether most people are white Christians, but why a Toys-for-Tots program has to go out of its way in its mission statement to exclude people who aren't.  That doesn't make any sense in a government-sponsored program.  Why can't it be a HOLIDAY gift-giving charity?  Why does it have to be a CHRISTMAS gift-giving charity?

Is it really government sponsored if others are paying for it?  That's what I was trying to find out in their website.  Yes, the Marines administer the foundation, but all the donations come from private sources.  If this deems it a privately sponsored program, then they can do what they want.  If a government program...well I suppose then we should get rid of ALL government issued Christmas situations - no more tree in Rockefellar Center (which is beautiful, btw), no more government shut down at Christmas time, so kids will need to go to school, and we'll have to go to work, no Santas at the mall, no Christmas lights on government buildings.  A shame, since San Francisco looks so beautiful at night with all its skyrises outlined in white lights.  Or are you suggesting we just change the name, the meaning, and the holiday altogether? Not trying to be argumentative, just thinking/wondering out loud here. Where do we draw the line?   I wouldn't prefer doing away with Christmas, and I would guess that most who enjoy Christmas wouldn't, either.

In the last few years, my company has changed Christmas to "Holiday."  The employees, 3000 of them, started complaining.  At last year's Holiday/Christmas lunch, our CEO gave his annual speech, and concluded it with, "And Merry CHRISTMAS to all of you."  Everyone in the room stood up, cheered and clapped. This year we are having a Christmas lunch, and everyone is quite happy about it. I contend that the majority of people want Christmas.  That's just my own little humble opinion, but my opinion none-the-less.

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Besides, there are plenty of Christians who don't give gifts on December 25.  It's called the Orthodox Church.  They wait till January 6.  You can read about them, too.

I am well aware of that, as that was my mother's tradition in Spain. :)  Except they were so poor, their gifts were hand made little trinkets.  It's not really about the gift, anyway, it's about giving.

I appreciate the conversation, LaM.  Thanks for keeping it real.

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RE: Toys for Tots refuses Talking Jesus Dolls. - 11/18/2006 10:11:06 AM   
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One would think so, but their website goes out of its way to say that the toys are Christmas gifts.

http://www.toysfortots.org/about_toys_for_tots/toys_for_tots_program/default.asp

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There are lots of religions that give gifts during the holiday time of year and Toys for Tots are for all of them.



That makes me very sad though I know they give out gifts to everyone. Oh well. One can only expect the armed forces to be so intelligent. At least they turned down the talking Jesus dolls.
 

This makes me hear the sound of John Kerry making his fucktard statement. To say such is ignorant.

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RE: Toys for Tots refuses Talking Jesus Dolls. - 11/18/2006 10:19:51 AM   
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I suppose then we should get rid of ALL government issued Christmas situations - no more tree in Rockefellar Center (which is beautiful, btw), no more government shut down at Christmas time, so kids will need to go to school, and we'll have to go to work, no Santas at the mall, no Christmas lights on government buildings.  A shame, since San Francisco looks so beautiful at night with all its skyrises outlined in white lights.  Or are you suggesting we just change the name, the meaning, and the holiday altogether? Not trying to be argumentative, just thinking/wondering out loud here. Where do we draw the line?   I wouldn't prefer doing away with Christmas, and I would guess that most who enjoy Christmas wouldn't, either.


Part of what makes Christmas so thorny, I think, is that the religious holy day (which has nothing to do with trees, lights, gifts, Santa, etc.) has grown into a cultural celebration that affects almost everyone, one way or another. I'll admit, for example, that while I generally favor separation of chuch and state, I do like getting Christmas off, and I suspect most people would be cranky if the holiday were rescinded.

Perhaps it would help to separate the generically cultural stuff (such as a Christmas tree, which actually has pagan origins, I believe) from specifically Christian inconography, such as the creche. I would prefer that the latter remain in the private rather than the governmental realm.

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