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Second Time: Long or Short? - 11/16/2006 3:27:43 AM

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After my thread got pulled, and i understand why, i am trying to reword
my question.

What kind of responses do you prefer?

Which are especially helpful for you?

Which are the ones that cut to your core, made you think over your
viewpoint?

I prefer short answers, condensed ones. An Haiku is a very short poem,
but in a good Haiku is the essence of being. The more i have to think about an answer, and not because it is illogical or unclear constructed, the more possibities are in the process.

Then there is the usage of humour, laughing or perplexing can open a kind of canyon. An undefined moment in space. This space opens the mindsoul to feelfind solutions or answers to questions.

On the other hand there are the long answers and there are some i really love to read. The high class rhetorical, passionate ones you could easily read out aloud to a crowd or when somebody shares a part of their lifestory and you can travel with them.

But it is not only the art of writing, but the attitude, the fundament the response is crafted from.

Some of the topics discussed here evoke very deep feelings and some people come here in fragile moods. I am not one for advocating that we should all be all the time nice to each other, but it is indeed possible to formulate a hard answer and at the same time be compassionate, but not missionary.

Finally, the less vain the better.

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RE: Second Time: Long or Short? - 11/16/2006 5:34:58 AM

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Do You means answers to email, or to Ops, or s'thing else? i have no preference, but witty is always fun. i like hearing what P/pl have to say, but then i also like the O/ones who have just a moment and touch base.

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RE: Second Time: Long or Short? - 11/16/2006 6:31:19 AM

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Not sure what thread got pulled and what you would have to say to have that happen! I personally get annoyed when the thread takes off on some semantic rant - instead of focusing on the gist of the question or comment that started it.
I am sure you all know what I mean it happens so very often!
It is also frustrating to get a long list of other threads - I want your current opinion - how do you feel today? I can search the threads for info and opinions that I seek.

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RE: Second Time: Long or Short? - 11/16/2006 7:35:27 AM

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Responses to what?

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RE: Second Time: Long or Short? - 11/16/2006 7:47:59 AM

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To me.. "Brevity is the soul of wit".

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RE: Second Time: Long or Short? - 11/16/2006 8:12:48 AM

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I don't really *prefer* any responses. They all give a small glimpse of the person posting and that, in itself, can be interesting. Some are boring, some are trite, some are tiresome, some are really amusing, some are very informative, some are inspiring, some are thought provoking and some are plain silly.

It's quite a skill to be able to express something concisely and clearly and I have an appreciation of the posters that do that.

I think posts that just say * I agree* are .......ummm dull, dull, dull as ditchwater.

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RE: Second Time: Long or Short? - 11/16/2006 11:17:46 AM

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Thank you for your replies so far.
Sorry for the irritation:

1. In the pulled thread i used one poster as a positive example. I guess that was the reason it got pulled. The main question was regardless the same: What are the different styles of posting and what do you consider especially helpful, heartwarming or mindfoddering or ....

2. Responses in threads, regardless if to the OP or a branch that developes(d) in the thread.

Maybe a better and shorter question would have been:

What kind of posts make you happy or are helpful to reach whatever goal you have in reading/writing here?

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RE: Second Time: Long or Short? - 11/16/2006 11:22:57 AM

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Oh, well obviously the ones that are written most like mine are the ones I enjoy most reading. Good grammar and spelling, concise statements with a flowing structure towards specific points, fairly brief statements separated into paragraphs, and, when relevant, snippets of the post I'm responding to.

Threads will wander, it's their nature and it's certainly not always a bad thing. If you don't like how a thread has wandered your only two choices are really to ignore it, or post a specific targeted post that returns the thread to it's subject. Neither of these are fool-proof, but any other method only makes you look like a downer and will certainly NOT work.

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RE: Second Time: Long or Short? - 11/16/2006 12:10:30 PM

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Oh, well obviously the ones that are written most like mine are the ones I enjoy most reading.

You are teriffic LA!!!

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RE: Second Time: Long or Short? - 11/16/2006 12:32:32 PM

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It dosnt matter to me as long as its a viewpoint and not slice and dice rant.... I especially like LA's responses because they are well thought out and when she does cut people to shreds she does a really good job of it in such a way that makes you kind of draw the natural conclusion that the person is way out there instead of going after them directly which I think is cool...

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RE: Second Time: Long or Short? - 11/16/2006 12:41:00 PM

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Hmm,
As anyone who has read any of my posts might have learned, I'm not a big fan of brevity :). It has it's uses, but as seen in the responses to the op, it can leave out vital elements, and open the door for misinterpretation. Plus, it generally doesn't give anywhere near the fuel for conversation that a lengthier piece does. Never really liked Haikus. Prefer iambic pentameter. I also paint with big brushes.

I agree with LA about spelling, grammar, and the like. Though I am not perfect myself there. Humor good, vanity bad. Nitpicky argumentative behavior punishable by singletail.

*practices with singletail, hurts self, considers well punished for her own infractions*

Perhaps the most important thing for me, in a setting like this, is cultivating a tone. Some of my favorite writers here are folk who have a fairly set tone, I can almost start hearing their voice after a while. I start to know exactly when they are being sarcastic, and when they are being kind. And the personality, intentions, and general moods of a person begin to shine through. At which point I can decide, as I would in person, how much I like having this person around. Not sure if this really makes any sense.

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RE: Second Time: Long or Short? - 11/16/2006 12:56:19 PM

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ORIGINAL: ZenDragoness

What kind of responses do you prefer?

Responses which are honest and come from the heart are my favorite. If someone is giving facts as part of their answer, I appreciate citations to pertinent websites to support their facts. Factual statements are best when supported because it can be difficult to prove a negative at times and while I don't mind doing my own homework, the original poster should do their homework first.

quote:

Which are especially helpful for you?

Hmm. Difficult to answer because I don't, generally, ask for help on issues. I would think if someone were looking for relationship advice, then recitations of personal experience might lead them to a different point of view. I suppose 'helpful' for me would be responses which included new techniques or safety tips on a subject in which I was interested, but again, I'm pretty well versed with google, so can, generally, find out the information for myself.

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Which are the ones that cut to your core, made you think over your
viewpoint?

I tend towards appreciating another slave or submissive perspective on issues dealing with core orientation or personality. Getting into the brain of someone, gaining insight from their experiences and things of that nature. Those sort of posts cause me to reflect or re-evaluate my own thinking. That said, Merc and KoM almost always make me think (even though they are from the other side) and I appreciate posts from anyone which cause me to reexamine my own thinking even if nothing changes.

quote:

I prefer short answers, condensed ones. An Haiku is a very short poem,
but in a good Haiku is the essence of being. The more i have to think about an answer, and not because it is illogical or unclear constructed, the more possibities are in the process.

For me, it's all about girth, not length. ::chuckles::

quote:

Then there is the usage of humour, laughing or perplexing can open a kind of canyon. An undefined moment in space. This space opens the mindsoul to feelfind solutions or answers to questions.

On the other hand there are the long answers and there are some i really love to read. The high class rhetorical, passionate ones you could easily read out aloud to a crowd or when somebody shares a part of their lifestory and you can travel with them.

But it is not only the art of writing, but the attitude, the fundament the response is crafted from.

Some of the topics discussed here evoke very deep feelings and some people come here in fragile moods. I am not one for advocating that we should all be all the time nice to each other, but it is indeed possible to formulate a hard answer and at the same time be compassionate, but not missionary.

Finally, the less vain the better.

ZD

In general, I agree that nicer is better, but sometimes brutal honesty is imperative. I try to gauge each response I make as being most appropriate for the given situation. Also, I do try not to try to interpret because of my own prejudice or perception on what a poster is trying to convey. If I don't understand, rather than make an assumption, I'll just ask what they meant or ask if they can reword it to clarify their meaning and then make my response.

Not perfect by any means, but I do try ... usually.

Celeste

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RE: Second Time: Long or Short? - 11/16/2006 1:48:35 PM

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As far as length go it really does not matter on responses although too short on a deep question is something that does nothing for me, but as long as I find it useful/interesting/entertaining then I really could care less about the length. Now on the message that creates the thread I prefer that there is enough information that it is not so open or vague but at the same time I rarely will read one where it is an essay and has so many questions that the thread will be difficult to follow.

Thread that I find the most interesting and have made me think and/or change my mind are ones where people write about their opinions on how they view things in an outward view. So things like if someone does this what do you feel or think type things. I have found these to be very helpful. At the same time threads that are of the deep internalize meanings of why am I the way I am philosophies type discussions I rarely read or respond to. Just something I cannot get into.

The thing I do not care for but do not have anything against is when people use the threads like it is an IM between themselves and another where it has been well hijacked off the OP. I will frequently stop reading that thread when that happens.

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RE: Second Time: Long or Short? - 11/16/2006 2:36:36 PM

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I enjoy posters that can take me along for the journey going on in their mind, even if I disagree with what they are saying.

A lot of the time when I post, I'm using the forum to explore a room inside me and any poster who responds who can make me see something else in that room or see it a different way, or further my exploration, or I can see they are exploring that room too, I enjoy immensely.

Long or short in those cases, punctuation, spelling etc doesn't matter to me.

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RE: Second Time: Long or Short? - 11/17/2006 4:09:39 AM

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ORIGINAL: agirl

I think posts that just say * I agree* are .......ummm dull, dull, dull as ditchwater.

Absolutely.
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...Doh!

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RE: Second Time: Long or Short? - 11/17/2006 6:44:08 AM

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candystripper: Thank you for a first response to an irritating OP:-)

zbabe888: Concerning the pulled thread i learned today via a PM that it is

still there:

http://www.collarchat.com/m_683439/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm

LotusSong: Yes!

agirl: "I think posts that just say * I agree* are .......ummm dull, dull, dull

as ditchwater."

I agree*s, sorry could*nt help it!

LuckyAlbatross(and btw thank you for the picture it always evokes in

me.a smiling flying albatross, dancing in the air): Thank you for stating

that central truth about the liking of the own style, but that was one of the

things i tried to find out, is the opposite style or a very different style not

also exciting or maybe even more?

Ponyseeker: A very good point.

Lady Alaria: My mistakes were not due to shortness, but due to

mistakes.
As i tried to point out, there are certain long responses i really love, but

the longer the text the more ability to write is necessary, to hold the

reader in the grasp of the text.
This process of begin to hear somebody speak, after you have read some

time the texts, is something i also do. May i ask if you make music or work in any way with you voice?

BitaTruble: Perfect example for longer and good:-). Thank you for the girth reference *giggles. The last paragraph of your post is nearly a first paragraph for a manual posting.

I am still not ready, but i have to go now. Thank you all very much for the insights i could gain in your answers. I understood and learned a lot.

< Message edited by ZenDragoness -- 11/17/2006 6:45:44 AM >

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RE: Second Time: Long or Short? - 11/17/2006 7:13:10 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: ZenDragoness
LuckyAlbatross(and btw thank you for the picture it always evokes in

me.a smiling flying albatross, dancing in the air): Thank you for stating

that central truth about the liking of the own style, but that was one of the

things i tried to find out, is the opposite style or a very different style not

also exciting or maybe even more?

Glad it's a nice image :)

When it comes to communication and clear expressive thoughts, no I find opposite styles to mine are just horribly difficult to understand and parse out. That doesn't mean they don't have good content, it just takes a lot longer to figure out if it does or not and leaves a lot more room for misunderstanding.

DIFFERENT styles...depends. I enjoy getting to know a person through their style. It's always amusing when a person creates a new "anonymous" name and expects us not to recall their writing style- it's very unique.

It really depends on your purpose- on topics where the point is more to be self expressive, then content and format don't matter as much. On topics where the point is to discuss issues, self-expression is less important and content and format can become essential.

On a media where text is the basis of all communication- those who know how to use text best have a huge leg up on everyone else.

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RE: Second Time: Long or Short? - 11/18/2006 5:25:10 AM

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Thank you for your perspective. Do i understand you right, that the more the poster stay with their experiences and the less hypothectical the answer is, the more use it has for you?

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RE: Second Time: Long or Short? - 11/18/2006 5:27:49 AM

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I really love the room analogy. I am often impressed by your deep thought out, but at the same time clear texts.

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RE: Second Time: Long or Short? - 11/18/2006 5:30:37 AM

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Thank you for further explaining.

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