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saskslave -> Why are liberals stingy when it comes to personal charity? (11/19/2006 12:08:53 PM)

I suspect most on here have read a few articles about conservatives being more generous than liberals.  Now Arthur C. Brooks has written a book about this pattern.
http://www.arthurbrooks.net/

Professor Brooks concluded that:

- Conservative households in America donate 30% more money to charity each year than liberal households.
- A religious person is 57% more likely than a secularist to help a homeless person.
- If liberals gave blood like conservatives do, the blood supply in the U.S. would jump by about 45%.
- People who give money charitably are 43 percent more likely to say they are "very happy"* than nongivers and 25 percent more likely than nongivers to say their health is excellent or very good.

* Very Happy.  Perhaps another reason why Pew Research has - for 34 years straight - found more conservatives say they are "very happy" versus liberals. 

There is more on his site.

I would like for some liberals to explain this because I think it makes them look bad.  It looks like they are generous when it comes to spending other people's money, but tight when it comes to opening up their own wallets.

I donate a bit to charity but I could afford to donate more if we weren't taxed so heavily in Canada.  Hell, 44% of my province's budget alone, goes towards our criminally-negligent socialist healthcare system.



sissifytoserve -> RE: Why are liberals stingy when it comes to personal charity? (11/19/2006 12:14:36 PM)

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Plop.



LadyEllen -> RE: Why are liberals stingy when it comes to personal charity? (11/19/2006 12:20:25 PM)

The obvious, but probably not totally true answer, might lie in that conservatives tend to be those who are comparatively well off (hence dont what change) and have more money to donate, than liberals who tend to be less well off (and hence do want change) and dont have so much money to donate - time and other resources too for that matter. And of course, whilst wealth doesnt necessarily bring happiness, it sure does help.
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mnottertail -> RE: Why are liberals stingy when it comes to personal charity? (11/19/2006 12:21:51 PM)

I think you have once again established how, fair, impartial, reliable and factual Pew Reseach is.  What a record huh? 34 years of looking for the holy grail, only to find that it is always possessed by conservatives.

I think that it is because only true convervatives are happy. Anyone else is a stingy, unhappy, flaming liberal in disguise, they try not to go to war and spend billions and billions they don't have, they kinda like to build up a surplus for the happy conservatives to fuck away on idealistic and unwinnable and pointless wars, and when they come back into power, they are forced to straighten out the books.

And I think the blood thing is because liberals are more likely to read the disqualifications and if they truely had sex with a man even once, (one wonders how much blood that pedasterist from the senate gave?), or ever were in africa (possibly liberals travel more, being so unclosed minded and all), or got a transfusion in certain countries (veitnam, germany and so on) and we are well aware that conservatives so rarely have to show up to get shot at when the flags are waving.... they will pass on giving blood................

Possible explanations, at any rate. One of many.

Ron





popeye1250 -> RE: Why are liberals stingy when it comes to personal charity? (11/19/2006 12:27:35 PM)

Another easy one.
It's because liberals think "the govt" should be doing this kind of stuff.
I'm an Independant voter and I don't think the federal govt. should be doing (any) of that kind of stuff! It's just not their job to do so.
The people in Washington are supposed to be running our govt. not a charity for foreign countries.



FirmhandKY -> RE: Why are liberals stingy when it comes to personal charity? (11/19/2006 12:35:42 PM)

Fast Reply:

mnottertail,

It's not PEW research.  Saying that doesn't change the facts, and isn't something that PEW came up with.

It's a fact that is well known and been researched fairly often.  The record of "giving" to charity matches the entire "red/blue" voting patterns within the US very well.

I tend to credit popeye's answer.

FirmKY



sonny2000 -> RE: Why are liberals stingy when it comes to personal charity? (11/19/2006 12:40:31 PM)

Do some research into where your donated money ends up. My sisterinlaw sponsered a south american child this charity is suspected of laundering money for drug cartels who kill farmers and take ther cocao crop. This goes for US charities also are you purchasing a H2 for some Exec.?



Zensee -> RE: Why are liberals stingy when it comes to personal charity? (11/19/2006 12:42:31 PM)

quote:

The working poor in America give more to charity than the middle class:

The American working poor are, relative to their income, some of the most generous people in America today. The nonworking poor, however—those on public assistance instead of earning low wages—give at lower levels than any other group. In other words, poverty does not discourage charity in America, but welfare does.

If this is any indication of the quality of reasoning the author musters it does not bode well. The tab on statistis does not actually reference any sources and just makes references to ye goode olde re-lie-able "many studies".

I'll donate the price of the book to charity, thank you.



saskslave -> RE: Why are liberals stingy when it comes to personal charity? (11/19/2006 12:43:08 PM)

Hi Mnottertail.  Did you see Pol Pot on the Documentary Channel this week?  Another leftist showing his "compassion" for the children.

Would you like a citation? [sm=book.gif]



popeye1250 -> RE: Why are liberals stingy when it comes to personal charity? (11/19/2006 12:43:40 PM)

And there's a lot of well-heeled liberals too.
Remember when it came out that Hillary Clinton had donated Bill's used boxer shorts and some old shower curtains to charity and took a tax deduction for them?



Zensee -> RE: Why are liberals stingy when it comes to personal charity? (11/19/2006 12:46:09 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: saskslave

Hell, 44% of my province's budget alone, goes towards our criminally-negligent socialist healthcare system.

How about a citation for this.



mnottertail -> RE: Why are liberals stingy when it comes to personal charity? (11/19/2006 12:46:52 PM)

FHKY,

quote:

* Very Happy. Perhaps another reason why Pew Research has - for 34 years straight - found more conservatives say they are "very happy" versus liberals.


This was what I was referring to in the OPs statements for that little piece.

If it is not exigent to the discussion, it has no place in the 'reason' to belive assertation, does it? You can hardly fault me for the inclusion of Pew in my response.

Now as for the rest of it, your and popeyes responses were in keeping with decorum.

But you can't expect someone to post villifying and ignoble assertions time and again, without causing rancor.

In the end, popeyes response is how I REALLy think it comes down, I don't think there is some erethral communion of conservative thought out there regarding the conservative or liberal conciousness.

It is more of a lark at this point anyway, isn't it?

LOL,
Ron

 



saskslave -> RE: Why are liberals stingy when it comes to personal charity? (11/19/2006 12:47:17 PM)

Zensee:
quote:

 The tab on statistis does not actually reference any sources and just makes references to ye goode olde re-lie-able "many studies".

No, he doesn't list all his sources and footnotes on the brief excerpt on his website, but I saw a review where the reviewer said Brooks backs up his stats with sources.  They're probably at the end of the book, which is common. 



mnottertail -> RE: Why are liberals stingy when it comes to personal charity? (11/19/2006 12:48:06 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Zensee

quote:

ORIGINAL: saskslave

Hell, 44% of my province's budget alone, goes towards our criminally-negligent socialist healthcare system.

How about a citation for this.



OH, it is canadian money anyway, so it really doesn't count.

LOL,
Ron



BitaTruble -> RE: Why are liberals stingy when it comes to personal charity? (11/19/2006 12:49:14 PM)

~FR~

Many people give from the heart and don't take tax deductions for it. I doubt you'll find their statistics among the herd though. I don't 'give' anything to 'get' something (like a tax deduction) in return and I know many who feel the same way so I take the whole thing with a hefty dose of salt.

Celeste



saskslave -> RE: Why are liberals stingy when it comes to personal charity? (11/19/2006 12:58:22 PM)

quote:

If it is not exigent to the discussion, it has no place in the 'reason' to belive assertation, does it?

The purpose of the "Very happy - conservatives versus liberals" thread was because I was genuinely surprised at this pattern.  Many on here tried to come up with reasons for this and many were good--marriage, religion, more money to get better healthcare has proven to make one 'very happy' - although this would suggest that liberal Democrats are generally poor (the 'very happy' gap widened when liberal Dems and conservative Repubs were taken into account).  I'm not completely sold on that theory. 

I noted that Arthur Brooks concluded that conservatives donate more than liberals, and "[P]eople who give money charitably are 43 percent more likely to say they are "very happy" than nongivers".

There was no ulterior motive in my noting this.  I just thought it was another factor to add to the conservative/liberal 'very happy' factor. 



caitlyn -> RE: Why are liberals stingy when it comes to personal charity? (11/19/2006 1:04:20 PM)

As soon as politics is involved, 100% of all statistics can be made self-serving.



mnottertail -> RE: Why are liberals stingy when it comes to personal charity? (11/19/2006 1:05:17 PM)

I didn't need to see Pol Pot on TV.........know all about it, look at my age, if nothing else.

I do not think that leftist, liberal, democrat and despot are interchangeable words, eh?

And exactly what the fuck does POL POT have to do with your giddy conservatives and massacres of children or entire populae by the liberal democrats in American politics?   Are you saying Elvis lives and Nancy Pelosi is Pol Pot with a sex-change?

talk about a conspiracy.........

Ron





mnottertail -> RE: Why are liberals stingy when it comes to personal charity? (11/19/2006 1:08:23 PM)

Now, that is reasonable discourse.
Ron  



LotusSong -> RE: Why are liberals stingy when it comes to personal charity? (11/19/2006 1:10:22 PM)

Could it be that the conservatives have need to use "hush money" and the liberals don't?



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