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Where can one buy raw materials? - 11/24/2006 7:01:59 AM

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I'm interested in making some stuff...perhaps a whip or flogger.

Where can I buy the stuff necessary to make one? I did a search yesterday and couldn't find a website that sold leather. There's a Michael's and Hobby Lobby in my neighborhood, I wonder if that would help?

Worst case scenario I can always make the leather myself. My parents live about 4 hours away, but they kill deer all the time, and I hear deer hide makes good leather.

RE: Where can one buy raw materials? - 11/24/2006 7:09:25 AM

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My Lord gets the majority of our leather from the Tandy Leather Company.

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RE: Where can one buy raw materials? - 11/24/2006 7:18:55 AM

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What type of leather, in particular, do you recommend?

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RE: Where can one buy raw materials? - 11/24/2006 7:32:15 AM

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http://www.hidecrafter.com/

Great Stuff, Good Quality, and exceptional service.......

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RE: Where can one buy raw materials? - 11/24/2006 9:08:22 AM

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Tandy leather has a free catalog that you can order that explains a lot and gives you plenty of stuff to jump start the imagination.

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RE: Where can one buy raw materials? - 11/24/2006 11:23:21 AM

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Alright, after a bit of research I've order some suede and a spool of thread/lacing/whatever it's called from Tandy.

Wish me luck!

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RE: Where can one buy raw materials? - 11/24/2006 11:28:08 AM

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Raw materials are all around if you look. Frugal domme is one of my favorite idea sites. Some of my favorite toys started out in the kitchen section of walmart. I think one of my favorite floggers for thuddyness was made out of discounted halloween colored koosh balls, graduation happy faces with the hats cut off and some rope.

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RE: Where can one buy raw materials? - 11/24/2006 2:19:09 PM

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Pervertables are everywhere just look around. You can find them in
just about ANY store.

Pizza cutters can be perverted into a large "Wortenberg Wheel."
"Dom" Depot, Wal Mart, Grocery stores etc. are good places to find
raw materials or things that pervert without any or very little effort.

Tandy online: http://www.tandyleather.com/TEM/11-24-06Tand-E-mail.html

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RE: Where can one buy raw materials? - 11/24/2006 4:12:38 PM

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hello W/we sell different types of leather as well as hardware. W/we try very hard to keep prices low enough for Your profit margin as well. i am the 1 that looks up and sends quotes on raw materials, toys, moives, and other adult products. i recently had a bottom and thigh lift~ so i am a bit slow in my relpies. Respectfully- leeli

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RE: Where can one buy raw materials? - 11/24/2006 8:39:37 PM

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ORIGINAL: Renorei
I'm interested in making some stuff...perhaps a whip or flogger.

I strongly advise you to do some research and reading on flogger construction. While it may look 'easy' to make a simple, do-it-yourself flogger the actual creation of a quality flogger that will last is a work of skill and science.

As to whips....Do you realize how long it takes to learn the skills for making a quality braided whip?Master Archer has been braiding leather and professionally making various toys, floggers and accessories for year but only attempted to make two singletails whips. Once he realized the intense skill and time involved he decided to leave that art to others and now buys whips from established whipmakers.

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Where can I buy the stuff necessary to make one? I did a search yesterday and couldn't find a website that sold leather. There's a Michael's and Hobby Lobby in my neighborhood, I wonder if that would help?

Although many people have suggested Tandy Leather (and you have already ordered from them I will say that Tandy leather is high priced when compared to the quality they often have in stock. In addition, if you are ordering leather instead of hand selecting the hides then you will have no clue as to the softness, hand, patina etc.

Don't forget about tools. Basics: a sharp roller cutter or extremely sharp, heavy duty sissors, sturdy ruler (metal is suggested), a cutting surface that will not ruin your blade, choice of attachment (nails, glues, screws etc) and other various items.

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Worst case scenario I can always make the leather myself. My parents live about 4 hours away, but they kill deer all the time, and I hear deer hide makes good leather.

Deer hide can be tanned to make good leather but the art of tanning is also very technical. Although there are home tanning kits available the success of finishing with a quality piece of leather is chancy. The skin must be flayed, fleshed, pickled, washed, cured, rinsed, staked etc etc etc.

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RE: Where can one buy raw materials? - 11/25/2006 5:45:13 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Elegant
I strongly advise you to do some research and reading on flogger construction. While it may look 'easy' to make a simple, do-it-yourself flogger the actual creation of a quality flogger that will last is a work of skill and science.

I've visited tons of sites on making floggers. Thus far, I understand pretty much everything, but the the only concept that I'm having difficulty with is the issue of balancing the handle. If you know anything about this particular aspect of flogger-making, could you elaborate?

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Although many people have suggested Tandy Leather (and you have already ordered from them I will say that Tandy leather is high priced when compared to the quality they often have in stock. In addition, if you are ordering leather instead of hand selecting the hides then you will have no clue as to the softness, hand, patina etc.

Dammit! Oh well, this first flogger that I am going to make will really only be a practice flogger anyway. I guess I'll have to look up someplace in my area that sells leather hides. I wonder if a place like that even exists around here.

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Don't forget about tools. Basics: a sharp roller cutter or extremely sharp, heavy duty sissors, sturdy ruler (metal is suggested), a cutting surface that will not ruin your blade, choice of attachment (nails, glues, screws etc) and other various items.

Roger that!

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Deer hide can be tanned to make good leather but the art of tanning is also very technical. Although there are home tanning kits available the success of finishing with a quality piece of leather is chancy. The skin must be flayed, fleshed, pickled, washed, cured, rinsed, staked etc etc etc.

Alright, then this will be a project for another time.

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RE: Where can one buy raw materials? - 11/25/2006 7:00:58 AM

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ORIGINAL: Renorei
I've visited tons of sites on making floggers. Thus far, I understand pretty much everything, but the the only concept that I'm having difficulty with is the issue of balancing the handle. If you know anything about this particular aspect of flogger-making, could you elaborate?

This is an excerpt from an article Master Archer hsa written. The full article is on our website: http://www.fantasiesinleather.com

What does "balanced" mean and why is a balanced flogger important?
Balance is the point at which the weight of the handle equals the weight of the tails. Balance is important so that when swinging the flogger with the hand on the middle of the handle does not work the wrist too hard. A properly balanced flogger also enables to Top to lay the lashes more precisely on a desired location on the body. The handle and the turkshead knot or other finishing embellishment on the end of the handle counterbalances the falls.
How do you tell that a flogger is well balanced?
The most common point of balance is in the neck of the flogger. The neck is where the lashes attach to the handle. However it is less important that the point of balance always be at the neck than it is that the point of balance be consistently in the same part of the handle on all your floggers. It is that consistent placement of the point of balance that makes a consistent throw easier. This creates muscle memory and makes it possible to throw the flogger the most accurately with the least amount of stress on the wrist, arm and shoulder. If the point of balance is one forth the distance from the neck to the end of the handle in all of your floggers then you are still going to have the same benefits as if they were all in the neck.

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RE: Where can one buy raw materials? - 11/25/2006 7:18:04 AM

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Another good place to get the hides to make floggers is at www.hideandfur.com. We've bought several nice pieces from Moscow Hide and Fur. We had a friend order a couple beaver hides from them. He was not satisfied with one of the hides and Moscow Hide and Fur replaced it with a more satisfactory one. Of course, there is nothing like picking out the leather yourself. The feel and texture of each hide is unique.

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RE: Where can one buy raw materials? - 11/26/2006 8:42:35 PM

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I have thus far had good results getting leather for floggers from goodwill and other thrift shops, leather skirts can be broken apart into their parts.

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RE: Where can one buy raw materials? - 11/26/2006 9:00:24 PM

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ORIGINAL: Wyrd

I have thus far had good results getting leather for floggers from goodwill and other thrift shops, leather skirts can be broken apart into their parts.

Most skirts, shirts and dress leather pants are made from 1 - 1 1/2 oz hides...makes for a lightweight flail that stretches easily.

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RE: Where can one buy raw materials? - 8/6/2008 5:53:46 AM

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I was just looking up some books on whip making yesterday because I thought I would give it a shot. I already do woodcarving and am planning on making some custom canes (mostely for show).

These all seem like great resources if I decide to go through with it. Two books I found are

http://www.amazon.com/How-Make-Whips-Bushcraft-Edwards/dp/0870335138/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1218027137&sr=8-1

and

http://www.amazon.com/Whips-Whipmaking-David-W-Morgan/dp/087033557X/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_b

both highly recommended on Amazon. If it helps anybody.

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RE: Where can one buy raw materials? - 8/6/2008 2:10:37 PM

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R L Cox Fur & Hide Co. 708 1st St NW Albuquerque, NM 87102 Phone: (505) 242-4980

They don't have a website. What they do have is leather from fifty cents a square foot to $4 a square foot.

If you are in New Mexico, stop by. It's AMAZING.

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RE: Where can one buy raw materials? - 8/6/2008 3:24:49 PM

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For everything you want to know about working with leather, you can't go wrong with any of David Morgans books

I just purchased Braiding Fine Leather after talking to him about which book would be best for someone just learning how to work with leather.

Here is a link to his web site

http://www.davidmorgan.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=books&categories_id=&manufacturers_id=&flags_id=&pfrom=&pto=&x=0&y=0

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RE: Where can one buy raw materials? - 8/6/2008 3:46:19 PM

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Though simple, Home Depot is my supply mecca. If you're skilled with crafting things and seeing the possibilities around you, it's like being a kid in a candy store. Wal-mart also has a plethora of material at low pricings. I craft cat-o-nines for sale and other related items, and have never needed to go anywhere other than Wal-mart for the materials.

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RE: Where can one buy raw materials? - 8/6/2008 7:05:53 PM

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You say that you have researched a lot of web sites on making floggers and such, but, don't have a place nearby to buy leather. Elegant has plenty of very good information, and, she and Master Archer make quality products. But, she is not kidding when she says that it takes awhile to learn how to do stuff as well as acquiring the right equipment and supplies. You may have to decide how much time, effort, and, money that you are willing to invest, especially if you want to make "quality" products (whatever that means to you).

Many like the satisfaction they get from having made something useful for next to no money. Some have to do that because they can't afford the good stuff they want. But, very few people can make a living from making kinky toys. This tells you that either there isn't enough of a market for quality toys (enough to support someone full time) and/or that it takes time and money to get the business off the ground.

If you want to move forward, visiting a Tandy Leather store is a good place to start. As others have hinted, a retail store like that is not necessarily going to be your best resource for actual purchases. Another resource is fetish flea markets. In one location, you can see/touch the products from and meet the people like me and Elegant/Archer who are further down the road then you. Most of the vendors are happy to talk with you about lotsa stuff, and, you will get to see lotsa different leathers and hardware.

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