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RE: St. Catherine's wheel - 11/30/2006 9:16:52 AM

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i would like to eventually build one of these, and my plan is to salvage the rear wheel assembly (spindle, backing plate, hardware, and drum) off of a mid-size front-wheel-drive automobile with rear drum brakes.
...dave

I was thinking along the same lines. I was also thinking about making some kind of counter ballance for the back made out of some kind of cement re-enforced with steel rods and coated in plastic (so it has a clean look to it) and would spin a lot easier and help center the load around a triangular base.

The more I read about the ancient wheel the more I question wether or not they all spinned. One thing I read talked about suspending it from three chains which would mean that it wouldnt spin but would bring about some interesting things in itself. I also read somehting about birds eating the people alive which again would mean that wheel would not be spinning. So I am in some ways confused.

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RE: St. Catherine's wheel - 11/30/2006 9:29:00 AM

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Lets not forget the first one did not work right and that is why she died

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RE: St. Catherine's wheel - 11/30/2006 9:30:29 AM

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Wrong-o, it did work right and that is WHY she died.

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RE: St. Catherine's wheel - 11/30/2006 9:41:04 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: PONYSEEKER

I was thinking along the same lines. I was also thinking about making some kind of counter ballance for the back made out of some kind of cement re-enforced with steel rods and coated in plastic (so it has a clean look to it) and would spin a lot easier and help center the load around a triangular base.

i'm not sure i follow on that- would the counterbalance be part of the rotating assembly, or part of the base? i can see wanting to weight the base to lower the center of gravity (COG), but i don't see how that would make it spin more easily. i don't see the need to counterbalance the rotating assembly as long as the restraints are configured to keep the person's COG reasonably close to the axle.

And i don't think welding is absolutely necessary if one has the tools to work with heavy lumber. A base constructed of 4x4 or 4x6s would be perfectly adequate if not overkill (mmm... overkill), and would keep the COG low. i wouldn't want to move it around much, tho.

...dave

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RE: St. Catherine's wheel - 11/30/2006 10:26:13 AM

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ORIGINAL: petdave

i'm not sure i follow on that- would the counterbalance be part of the rotating assembly, or part of the base?

Part of the rotating assembly and counter for the base. Not sure if it would really need it either but a counter for the rotating assembly could probably be added later to experiment with. I definatly think I will use a metal base however provided I can hide it from view in some way.

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RE: St. Catherine's wheel - 11/30/2006 11:38:17 AM

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No she touched it and it broke so we are both wrong

According to legend, she also converted many pagans, who were subsequently murdered. The legend of Catherine continues that she was condemned to death on the breaking wheel (an instrument of torture), but that it broke when she touched it, so she was beheaded.

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RE: St. Catherine's wheel - 11/30/2006 11:48:44 AM

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Hmmm is this how religious war's started?? She died really does anything else matter? .

There are many ways to design and build this thing. Each is special to where it is going, if you want to save a ton of cash, use a pre-made wheel, got tons of cash have one custom made.

If this is the first thing you are trying to design and build, start with a simple cross. Seems this device has caused enough trouble over the ages.

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RE: St. Catherine's wheel - 11/30/2006 11:55:17 AM

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I kind of like the joy of building stuff myself. I get the perfect look that I am looking for which is to have only heavy wood and Iron in my dungeon (exposed at least)

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RE: St. Catherine's wheel - 11/30/2006 12:04:30 PM

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I hear you there, I rebuild ships and nothing better than wood and iron.

But for some people that is out of reach, so other means need to be developed, I have built a few of these things, and if you can afford to hire someone for all the welding and metal work great.

If not, using an old wooden spoked wheel frame will work very well. it's simple, it's easy and you can add whatever accents you desire.

It all depends on the amount of money you wish to invest, got a couple thousand, well have one custom made. Want the same effect for about $500 start with a used wagon wheel and spend all your money on the support.

I would always hire someone to do the welding if you have no idea what you are doing. The woodwork you can copy, but welds have to be made.

Well, let the wars begin, shes dead, does it matter why?

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RE: St. Catherine's wheel - 11/30/2006 12:07:31 PM

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I like how everyone assumes everyone knows how to weld. If you do not know how to weld, then you need help in building this

You can usually find welders that can fabricate stuff as long as you supply a good plan for them.

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RE: St. Catherine's wheel - 11/30/2006 12:22:37 PM

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Really, can you please name places that weld for cheap? I have not seen a Wal-Mart offering this service.

You need a 220 line, you need an ARC welder (Sears Cheapest model$320) and you need experience on how to weld without holes, Out here the comon rate is $80 bucks an hour, for straight welds. If you want them to travel to you double the rate

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RE: St. Catherine's wheel - 11/30/2006 12:35:06 PM

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I had a place custome build me a steel door for like $150 but I had to install it and everything.
I cant remember the name of the place but I will get some kind of quote from them on creating a base of some type and an A frame to hold the wheel in place once I come up with some kind of plan. I dont think everything would have to be welded in place.

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RE: St. Catherine's wheel - 11/30/2006 12:50:56 PM

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Ohhh Boy...it seems the two of you have never had to ship anything that is heavy and bulky.

Sure welding an A-frame can be cheap in some parts of the world, hell I can do that in my basement, but shipping something of that size and weight is a different concern.

For it to be of any value it has to be from a local market, it big areas (Chicago, Rockford, LA, it may be cheap.

But when I'm traveling, a certified welder is at least $300US per hour, why do you think I work in the Greek Islands? Try to find a welder there.

It depends where you are and what the local prices are. When I travel, there are many places where people would offer their home for use of a welder and cutting torch.

Find something local, work with all the ideas and use what best fits your needs, Jeez, if we can't agree on BDSM eq then I guess there is no hope

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RE: St. Catherine's wheel - 11/30/2006 1:10:57 PM

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How we know that the thread has entered the Twilight Zone.... all the previous posters to the thread were engaged in discussion regarding strategies for building one of these devices (with the usual amount of digression.) Sirgeorge1961 enters the thread, derides everyone else for their ignorance, and subsequently suggests that the rest of us are pointlessly disputatious.

Welcome to Bizarro-world...

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RE: St. Catherine's wheel - 11/30/2006 1:17:06 PM

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I don't see any reason to weld anything here seems to me you can go to a farm supply store or a junkyard bolt up most of what you need, rivets are widely available as is a compass and plywood, and veneer...........so a really spiffy looking one could be made up without any hassle whatsoever, some simple hand tools and some patience, additionally if you have any skills you may be able to trade them for craftsmen if you have already determined how to skil saw your thumb off and are unwilling to risk it again. (look up pillow blocks, axle shafts, e clips or castle nuts........) this is more napa stuff than home depot is all.

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RE: St. Catherine's wheel - 11/30/2006 1:38:28 PM

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Ok, so take what you can and leave the rest.

So do you feel any bigger now in your attempt to put someone down online??

I do not recall insulting anyone in my comments, I simply offered ideas, options one could take.

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RE: St. Catherine's wheel - 11/30/2006 1:45:06 PM

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What exactly happened here? I did likewise.................. Is there some conversation somewhere that I am not seeing?

EDIT: I think I get it now, fast reply..............

Curiously,
Ron

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RE: St. Catherine's wheel - 11/30/2006 1:47:12 PM

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I have no idea ask QuietDom, he seems to feel I offended people

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RE: St. Catherine's wheel - 11/30/2006 1:51:16 PM

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Though I do love his use of college words

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RE: St. Catherine's wheel - 11/30/2006 3:10:59 PM

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Wow, did I miss something here, I read all the post's and see no reason for some of the comments.

Hey QD can you explain your insults???????? I just don't see why you would be offended?

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