MsLori
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I don't know if the site will let me post all this text but this is information I have used and shared about sounds and I have done a demo on sounds and about to do two more this year and I have never had a problem with using my sounds. These are articles I have saved and printed off websites and not my articles. I also know a urologist that is a male sub and I will ask him to come here and post and give his opinion.
SOUND ADVICE
Over the past several week I have learned a few things about play involving the placement of “things” in a cock, well actually I have selfishly volunteered my own cock and the testing ground. This outlines some of the things I have found out. Please know that I am not in any way a trained medical professional, I have not even taken a first aid class. I am not an expert, this information is just what I have found out.
Sounds are metal rods used in the medical community to dilate urethras, male and female. Several styles are used in BDSM play. I was getting conflicting information about what the style is called that are sold by Mr. S Leather in San Francisco, CA (415-863-7798) and LeatherMasters in San Jose, CA (408-293-7660), about $20.00 at each. The store staff did not know what they were called. I found a surgical supply firm that was willing to copy several pages from medical catalogues.
The type sold and Mr. S and LeatherMasters are called Hegar Uterine Dilators and are used on women. They are 7 1/2” long, have a gentle “S” curve to them, and are two sized - that is each Hegar has one half that is larger than the other half. They come in a selection of 8, 16 size combination, 3-4, 5-6, 7-8, 9-10, 11-12, 13-14, 15-16 & 17-18. I started with a 5-6. It is about the size of a small diameter drinking straw, the next size I got was a 7-8, about the size of a large drinking straw. I an now wording on the 9-10, the 9 is a nice fit - can’t do 10 yet. The 17-18 is thumb sized and I can’t even look at it.
Hegar’s can be inserted in an erect cock.
I have had some experience with Van Buren’s also. They are 11” long with a flat handle on one end, and a 90 degree bend at the inserting end. They are for going all the way to the bladder and can not be inserted in an erect cock. They come in 17 sizes - 8,10,12,14........40. Some are tapered all the way up, some get to size soon and stay the same size the rest of the way. A 22 Van Buren is about the diameter of a 7 Hegar. The buzz using the Van Buren is going through the prostrate and up to the bladder. They are not to be played with without great caution! Stop if you see ANY blood!
Dittel’s are rather like Van Buren’s without the bend in the end. I have no experience with Dittel’s but they appear to be able to work with an erect cock.
Actually Hegar’s are called dilators and the sizes are marked as 3-4mm, 5-6mm. Van Buren’s and Dittel’s are called sounds and the sizes are marked as 8Fr, 10Fr (Fr refers to French). The leather stores call them sounds and don’t know that they are Hegar’s.
Expect your first piss after play to sting, if fact after my first play I stung for a full day. Sorta look forward to it now.
If you see a little blood, STOP. If you are still seeing blood in a day or so go to the doctor. If you see allot of blood go to the doctor NOW and tell them exactly what you were doing.
Do not mix ass play with sounds play. Little things that are fine in your bum play havoc in your cock. Be very careful about cross contamination. Use your own lube, don’t use lube for sounds that might have been used for any other play, even your own.
Don’t use your sounds on others. I had a Top take a condom, fill it with a bunch of lube, place the condom - lube inside - on my cock and then use a sound on me. I did not develop any problems later - I don’t know if this is a good practice or not. It just worked for me.
The following are parts of responses I received after I requested information about the use of sounds on two list servers.
Enjoy!! Marty
they go up to a 32. You must start with the smaller ones and work up to the larger sizes. It will dilate your urethra somewhat for a short amount of time. You should return to normal. Just be aware that the longer you leave it in the bit longer it will take to return. They should be sterile, blunt with no rough or sharp edges whatsoever. Use lots of lube and clean the head of your penis with Betadine first to help insure that you do not obtain an infection
The individual inserting the sounds should wear sterile gloves but clean gloves will work also. Using lots of lube slowly...and I do mean slowly, insert the small sound...then slowly remove it and go to the next size again using lots of lube...should you feel a great deal of discomfort or pain stop immediately. Watch for blood in your urine and make sure you do not start to run a low grade fever or have pain or discomfort upon urination. If you do and it does not go away within 24-36 hours then high-tail it to your doc...... he will more than likely start you on a regimen of antibiotics... always keep the sounds sterile and do not use on anyone else please.
Take it slowly. Urethral sounds are manufactured for the sole purpose of opening urethral strictures which can develop (for a variety of reasons from just plain old age to infection scar tissue, etc.) and come in carefully metered graduated sizes. Do not try and "jump" from the one you have to a considerably larger one. Not only can you do considerable damage if you try and force it in - you just plain will *not* enjoy it.Basically, from my knowledge and personal experience, that covers it. Just don't force things too quickly. You didn't really say how deep you were getting with your sound, but if you are just stimulating and stretching the internal urethra and not getting past the prostate and into the bladder neck (which would cause the leakage/flow of urine with the small size sound you are using) then nothing really else. Just make sure it is well lubricated with sterile lubricant and properly (angle inferred) and comfortably inserted. While the medical purpose of the devices *is* to stretch the urethra as necessary to facilitate urinary flow, the procedure is done under at least a local (spinal) anesthesia, if not general anesthesia, and the doctor will go through *several* sizes of sounds in succession to achieve his goal. That is not what you need attempt to do I in a play scene. (It wouldn't be *enjoyable*.)
(used by permission of Marty)
Sounds and Urethral Insertions
Sounds (urethral insertions) are a lot of fun when used correctly. It's a bit of a shock to a man his first time, but if he's into CBT it's mind-blowing. I use a set of surgical-grade stainless steel sounds or more correctly ... dilators. I sterilize them chemically to ensure a sub's safety.
Once it's covered with a sterile lubricant, the smallest size is inserted into the urethra and held carefully to slow its progress. Once that's accepted larger diameter sounds are chosen and the process is repeated until a sound is found whose size is too big to fit comfortably. My favorites are offered by BDSM vendors and are long, smooth and slightly S-curved. Neither sharp nor pointed, they're available in a wide variety of diameters--and don't worry, you can't lose one. Simply have the sub stand up and gravity will solve the problem for him.
I maintain, as do medical experts, there should be NO bloody discharge or serum fluid of any kind. There has never been any pain or discharge associated with the insertions I administer.
Sounds can be inserted on an erect or flaccid penis, but determine the first size by spreading the mouth of the penis and looking. The smaller the aperture, the smaller the size used. Allow the sound to penetrate to a depth after which it will not insert further without forcing--which you should never do. When you're ready, remove the sound and insert one with a larger diameter in its place. Continue switching until you find one that will not go in the entire way; sometimes you can actually feel the depth of the sound through the perineum.
I'd love nothing better to stretch the urethra on a CBT-lover to where I could insert a narrow vibrator--surely a rush for us both! And, on those occasions when I give permission to a sub to climax, the resulting ejaculate is nearly volcanic in force. In fact, if the submissive is not vigilant in capturing his emission in his hand or a towel, it travels a tremendous distance!
Can urethral insertions cause damage?
Yes. There's a chance the urethra might not shrink back to 'normal'. Scarring can result from improper insertions and can cause a thickening of the urethral wall, which might necessitate medical treatment. The appearance of blood is a sure sign that something is wrong and should never be ignored. Some of My subs have gotten up to a fair sized dilator (after a year or so), but I also start them with the smallest size every time to make sure they are not damaged or injured.
How are Sounds Sterilized?
Sounds used in urethral insertions cannot be covered with a condom. In order to ensure that no bacteria is transmitted from one recipient to another, these implements must be sterilized after each use. Wash them with an anti-bacterial soap in extremely hot water, rinse and dry thoroughly. Wash them again in Betadine, rinse them with 91% alcohol and soak them in 10% strength hydrogen peroxide for a minimum of an hour. Pour off the liquid, refill the container with fresh peroxide and cover it.
Sterilizing things in this manner retains the finish of the sounds and makes for a smooth insertion without abrading the lining of the urethra. A note of caution: Do not have this administered to you by a novice. The urethra twists and turns, much like a narrow country road and can be easily punctured or scarred.
After any session (and preferably the day before the session and the day of the session) involving urethral play, make sure you drink plenty of water (at least 2 quarts in the 24-hour period following the insertion) in order to dilute the urine. The sounds have slightly stretched the urethra. Urine contains uric acid which might burn a little if it is not diluted.
The entire "trick" is in the skill of the practitioner.
In the meantime, be careful and play safe!
Lady Scorpion
© 1999
Sounds are medical instruments designed for insertion into the urethra, the tube connecting the
bladder with the outside world. Basically, they are highly polished stainless steel rods with a
handle and a rounded tip, and they come in sizes which are very close to each other (differing in
diameter by less than half a millimeter). In a medical setting, their purpose is to gradually and
gently enlarge the urethra. In the BDSM medical fetish setting they can be a source of exceptional sexual
stimulation and an instrument used in 'power exchange' or submission/domination experiences.
Incidentally, the name sound is used in the sense of 'to find the depth of' in the same way a lead weight on a line is used by mariners to sound the depth of the water.
We will only cover male sound play, here. Women's sounds are shorter, for the shorter urethra, differently shaped and have their own difficulties of insertion. Women are also even more prone to infection. Some of this information may be of relevance and interest to women, but the technical aspects are largely inapplicable. Obviously, sounds intended for use on women should not be used on men, and vice versa.
A word of caution: This kind of play is not something you should engage in with someone who is inexperienced
or who does not understand all the necessary precautions. Carelessness can result in infection, injury, or other
traumatic problems. You should be introduced to this kind of play in the right setting by an experienced, careful
person who cares enough about you to exercise all the cautions set forth herein. This document is intended to
be informational, and to discourage carelessness.
The Sounds
There is a curve in the male plumbing system; the J-curve on which the Van Buren sound is designed to accommodate that curve, allowing the sound to slip down the penis and into the bladder easily. The problem is that if the bottom gets hard during the process of insertion one has to wait until the erection subsides, as the curved sound cannot be inserted (or removed!) if the penis is hard. It is possible to negotiate the curve with the straight Dittle sound or Sim sound by changing the angle of the penis during insertion, but this requires a bit more skill and sensitivity on the part of the top.
The diameter of sounds, catheters and some other medical instruments is expressed in the French system.
One French unit (Fr) is .33 millimeters (.3mm for ease of discussion). Thus, an instrument which is 20Fr is 20 x
.3 = 6mm in diameter (0.24").
Most men can, without discomfort, take a much larger sound than you might imagine. I have never seen an adult
who could not handle at least an 18Fr. An average guy can handle a 24Fr to 28Fr without trouble. The idea, of course, is to stretch the urethra just a bit.
The following procedure for sterilizing the sounds is based on the fact that the sounds are used by only one person*. The sounds need to be cleaned properly before and after use to prevent bladder infections.
Before actual insertion, using a tissue, scrub each of the sounds with alcohol to kill any bacteria or fungi from the air or inadvertent touching.
1. After use, the sounds are washed in a hot water/anti-bacterial soap solution (detergents remove surface KY and
help break down viral coats).
2. The sounds are rinsed, then wrapped in a clean hand towel tied loosely with thread or string.
3. The towel and the sounds are placed in a pressure cooker for 15 minutes at full pressure, the home
equivalent of an autoclave. Very hot boiling water will kill most of the bacteria, also.
4. After processing, the bundle is kept in their carrying case or in a plastic
container until used again.
*HIV and AIDS virus are not effected by "normal" sterilizing procedures. We highly recommend that Sounds (and Sound Sets) be used by only one person.
Other Equipment for Sound Play
As well as the sounds themselves, you will need:
Generous amounts of sterile lubricant without preservative or nonoxynol-9, which is highly irritating to the
urethra. KY or H&R are recommended.
A luer-tip hypodermic syringe without a needle, or, better, the type of hypodermic-syringe-like device used
to administer medicine to babies, approximate size 10-12ml (cc).
An ordinary serving tray
A sterile, or at least freshly-washed, hand towel.
Alcohol and swabs or paper tissues.
Latex gloves.
A clean washcloth and antibacterial soap.
All the specialist items should be available via medical suppliers. See the Resources section of the Play
Piercing factsheet.
Sound Insertion Procedure
Before Beginning:
-Have the bottom relax comfortably on his back on a fairly firm table or bed; being flat is better than being
in a sling. If a bed is used, position the bottom diagonally, genitals at the very corner, legs spread and off
the bed, so you can get very close to him. You will sit at the corner on a chair, facing him, his legs on
yours. If the bottom is on a table, he will be conveniently close.
-Wash the bottom's genitals with warm water and antibacterial soap; dry him gently. The objective is to
remove surface bacteria.
- Spread the towel on the tray; if you have used the sterilizing technique I described above, just open the
bundle. The towel in which the sounds are wrapped is ideal. DO NOT touch the sounds except by their
handles or with clean latex gloves on.
- Arrange the sounds in order of size so that you do not have to fumble around one-handed later.
- Fill the syringe with KY; try to avoid getting large bubbles in the syringe.
- Even with the latex gloves on, be careful what you touch after this point.
-Using a tissue, scrub each of the sounds with alcohol to kill any bacteria or fungi from the air or
inadvertent touching.
Insertion Technique
The technique cannot really be learned by reading about it. This article is intended to give you an idea of what is
involved and of the pleasures which are possible. It would be best for you to attend a demonstration to actually
see the procedure, and ideally to work with an experienced top to try it out, whether you are a top or a bottom.
If you are right-handed, you will manage the instruments with your right hand; your left hand will hold the bottom's
penis.
As you begin, examine the bottom's penis carefully; spread the opening gently. Estimate what is the largest size
sound which will obviously fit into the opening. You want to begin with the largest size possible because larger
sounds are less 'pointy' and are more gentle as they slip in.
Place the tip of the KY-filled syringe near the opening of the penis; put a small blob of KY right at the opening to
lubricate the passage of the syringe into the tip of the penis. Hold the cock loosely, and gently place the tip of
the syringe in the opening of the cock; squeeze in a generous amount of KY (if this were toothpaste, you'd be
injecting about 25mm/1"). Keep the syringe in place for a moment while you gently stroke the cock to prevent
the KY from shooting out. Some people feel a bit of discomfort at this point, a slight burning at the tip of the
cock. This is caused by a difference between the acid/alkaline balance of the lubricant (which is manufactured
for 'average' people) and that of the tissues of the bottom. This sensation will pass within a minute and is
nothing to worry about.
Holding the cock straight up (at a 90-degree angle from the body), gently insert the first sound about an inch.
Aim slightly toward the bottom side of the cock. The sound will have a tendency to slip in just by gravity alone.
Your job is to hold it back and guide it -- don't push! If the sound stops slipping in, stretch the cock slightly by
holding onto the loose skin; this will straighten out the urethra and allow the sound to find its way.
Never push a sound in. Gravity is the only force used. Your job is merely to guide the sound and to prevent it
from dropping in too suddenly; this is especially true until you have some experience with the technique.
When the sound has entered about an inch more than the length of the penis, change the angle of the penis:
slowly lower it toward the testicles to form approximately a 45 degree angle; gradually raise it again. This will
negotiate the curve in the plumbing and the sound will drop into the bladder. Guide the sound with gentle
manipulation of the handle; don't push!
Remove the sound slowly. (One bottom told me that the removal felt like "an orgasm in slow motion.") You can
move it in and out slowly if the bottom enjoys the sensation. The larger sizes of sound will tend to drop in more
readily because of their greater weight.
Inject a bit more KY as before, and go on to the next larger size. Continue in this manner, going to larger sizes
until the bottom feels discomfort; use plenty of lube. Most often, discomfort due to the size of the sound will be
felt as slight burning at the tip of the cock. You can tell that you have reached the bottom's optimal size when the
skin at the tip of the cock begins to stick to the sound during insertion and removal, even though well lubricated;
the tissue forms a slight funnel-shape as the sound is moved. Going to a larger size after this will actually stretch
the urethra (It will shrink back to its original size unless this treatment is done three or four times).
When you have removed the largest sound you intend to use, gently milk the bottom's cock to remove some of
the KY. Prepare the sounds to be cleaned and sterilized before subsequent use.
You will discover that the bottom experiences great pleasure when the sound is inserted to a certain depth. The
top should gently manipulate the sound at that point; the sound is probably stimulating the prostate gland
intensely, and in a way not possible through any other sexual technique.
Most bottoms enjoy seeing the insertion, especially the sound vanishing into the penis by its own weight. Many
bottoms have expressed amazement to me that such a large object could go so far in without pain. They feel a
sense of complete submission of their most intimate orifice and a voluntary vulnerability beyond any previous
experience.
If sounds are used correctly, with plenty of lubrication and without exceeding the appropriate size for the bottom,
there should be no real pain. There may be some initial discomfort which will give way to great pleasure after
the first anxious moments.
There may be some small discomfort afterward, especially if there has been stretching: there will be a slight
burning upon urination, caused by irritation of the urethral tissues. This will pass within 24 hours, but the bottom
should remember to drink a lot of fluids to keep the system well flushed out.
Health and Safety Problems
What if a constriction is encountered inside the penis? If the sound obviously fits through the opening of the
penis but will not pass easily when it is inserted an inch or two, the likely cause is a band of scar tissue caused
by a previous bout of gonorrhea. This scar tissue in the urethra doesn't stretch easily; so it's recommend to use only sizes of sounds which will pass this constriction easily. There are many tiny capillaries which surround the
urethra, blood vessels finer than a hair. When capillaries are stretched, they will sometimes leak a few blood
cells; these tinge the lubricant a light pink. This is not something to worry about. But it is a good sign that you
should probably stop for this session and resume another day.
One important caution: bottoms often feel a strong urge to masturbate when a sound has been inserted. This
must be avoided because of the likelihood of injury. Bottoms often want the top to be more vigorous in insertion. This is a time when the top needs to be responsible and in control, and do only what is good for the bottom. The insertion of sounds produces such unusual and erotic feelings for some people that they need a good top to control their behavior.
Infection is the most likely complication; but following the above procedures rigorously should prevent any infection problems. Shortly after the session, the bottom may have a strong urge to urinate; there may be only a little urine. This suggests only that you have stimulated the nerves which signal a full bladder. The bottom should drink a lot of fluids to flush out any potential bacteria. There may be a slight burning sensation upon urination for the first 12-24 hours; this signals only that you have irritated the urethra a bit. But if the burning continues, or if there is a strong need to urinate which continues for more than 24 hours, there may be a bladder infection.
If infection does occur, it can be unpleasant, but is rarely a problem if medical help is sought and normally
responds well to antibiotics. The symptoms, normally developing within a couple of days of play, include
discomfort in the bladder, a constant urge to urinate, cloudy urine and maybe feverish or a feeling of being
under the weather. Visit a doctor or a genito-urinary/STD clinic, swallow your embarrassment and tell them what
the most likely cause is. Don't put off going: infections can cause serious problems if allowed to take hold.
Make sure you're fully recovered before indulging in sound play again, and indeed any other sort of urethral or
piss play.
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