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RE: Not sure where to post this- Antidepressants - 12/5/2006 5:28:19 PM   
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Ask you Dr. about Wellbutrin. I know someone who takes that along with Zoloft, she says it helps countermand Zolofts negative side effects.

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RE: Not sure where to post this- Antidepressants - 12/5/2006 5:34:24 PM   
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You can ask 1,000 people on a message board.  Or you can make an appointment with a physician who specializes in mood disorders.  A psychiatrist is the best doctor to manage this situation.  Not a gp.

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RE: Not sure where to post this- Antidepressants - 12/5/2006 5:35:54 PM   
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I was on Zoloft for about a year, it worked great on my depression but absolutely ruined my sex drive and almost my relationship with my then boyfriend. A few years later I went through another period of depression (mine is situational-it comes & goes) and my Doctor tried me on Wellbutrin (I had every side effect they mentioned including hallucination), Effexor, Paxil and a few others. I finally ended up on Celexa & that worked great, little or no effect on my sex drive thank goodness. Just keep talking with your Dr until they find the correct medication & dosage for you. For me losing my sex drive just about put me over the edge. It's not a side effect I'm willing to accept unless it's the final choice.But don't let them just leave you on something if there might be a better alternative.

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RE: Not sure where to post this- Antidepressants - 12/5/2006 5:42:30 PM   
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any of the SSRIs kill my sex drive - or even worse, there is a sex drive, but can't orgasm.  But, if you've got a problem with Seratonin, then the other classes of antidepressants might not work as they don't target that particular neurotransmitter.  That was my experience anyway. 

My Doctor ended up adding Welbutrn as it can actually increase the sex drive.  That helped some, but still...i prefer not taking any of the SSRIs because of the sexual side effects.   

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RE: Not sure where to post this- Antidepressants - 12/5/2006 7:20:10 PM   
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Hello everyone,

As the people here are pretty much the only people I have to talk to, I'm hoping someone here will be able to help a little with a slight problem I have. Feel free to ignore me.

I was recently put on antidepressants (again, I've been on and off them for many years, but had been off of them for the last three years). I've been given Zoloft, and I'm having some side effects that are less than pleasant - can't sleep, very dry mouth (feel like I've been sucking on sand), sex drive down to nothing. I was wondering if anyone else has been on it, and how they have found it.

Thank you for your time, and any help you might be able to offer.

Kindest Regards,
shadow


I am not a doctor, nor do I have any medical affiliates or training whatsoever. Here's my non-qualified opinion:

Unless your depression poses a danger to yourself, or a danger to others, consider doing whatever it takes to get yourself off the medication and start focusing on the actual cause of your depression.

In other words, focus on the cause instead of the symptoms.

There's a good chance that your problem is related to accumulated toxins, vitamin/mineral or other deficiencies, or other imbalances of which standard antidepressant medication does not address. There are many natural remedies that work for people, so consider seeking alternative medical treatment.

Keep in mind that the standard medical/pharmaceutical establishment is much more interested in treating symptoms with drugs and surgery, than they are treating the cause.

There's not much money in curing people.

Why do you think there hasn't been a cure for a major disease since polio in 1953, when technology has been exploding in leaps and bounds everywhere else.

Think about it.  

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RE: Not sure where to post this- Antidepressants - 12/5/2006 8:15:02 PM   
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I suggest a visit to Dr. Foamy


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RE: Not sure where to post this- Antidepressants - 12/5/2006 8:33:25 PM   
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shadow ---

Despite feeling like I'm single-handedly keeping the pharmaceutical industry afloat, I haven't tried Zoloft, so I don't have any direct experience to offer. But I did want to offer warm sympathy and a sincere "Hang in there!"

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As the people here are pretty much the only people I have to talk to,


This phrase really tugged at my heart. I know all too well how isolating depression can be and how hard even the simplest social contacts can feel during a depressive bout. Still, I'd encourage you to muster what energy you can for building a circle of RL friends. It's not that CMers aren't fabulous, but we can't offer a hug or an ear in quite the same way as flesh-and-blood folks.

Warmest wishes!

DC

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RE: Not sure where to post this- Antidepressants - 12/5/2006 11:24:51 PM   
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I just mention this for the good of the CM community. If you are on SSRIs make a conscious effort to get off them. It may be wise to get another doctor as well. Selective seratonin reuptake inhibitors mess with your brain in ways it shouldn't be messed with. The Columbine shooters were on SSRIs.

Seratonin is one of the main things affected by the psycedelic drug lysergic acid di-ethyl-amide, refined from the somewhat psychoacive lysergic acid amine, found in morning glory seeds. The drug was refined for the US government by Dr Timothy Leary, in a search for more advanced and potent truth serum(s). Leary took the fall and the guys he worked for didn't even have to call their lawyer, they were on the inside.

Seratonin levels were found to be higher in the young in the 70s sometime. Researchers associated the hormone with learning, and I don't think it is all post hoc ergo propter hoc. By no means do I believe it, but I do not dismiss it. Seratonin was linked with higher learning and the levels gradually reduce throughout life. But then this is not proof, only an indication.

However the assumption has it's basis in fact. People with higher intelligence have been found to have overall higher levels of seratonin.

If seratonin is indeed a "grease" or a conductor that helps our axions and psions or whatever work, I am of the opinion the this is something that should not be messed with.

If seratonin is indeed an enabler, or part of a set of enabling hormones that helps the brain learn and problem solve, administering SSRIs is a crime. Might not be illegal, but a crime nonetheless. If the early researchers were right, a few things fall into place.

If seratonin is indeed what the early researchers said, like a lubricant or conductor that help our brain cells comminicate better, that would explain the near universal disability with advancing age to learn certain things, another language for example.

I urge everyone taking SSRIs to get off of them. If you choose not to take my advice that is fine. If you do choose to take my advice youi don't do it all at once. Then, if you get into really bad shape, we are here. Personally with my body of knowledge, I don't think SSRIs make a very good anti-depressant.

Answer=money.

Anyone who gets off this shit, and later get depressed and possibly suicidal, CMail me.

If you get suicidal, that is usually a sign that you have morals, and as it follows regrets. The things I have done would curl your hair. Yes the worst of the worst and a whole lot more. I was young, dumb and full of cum, and beer at one time. To even live with myself, every night I have to tell myself it was him or me. But alcohol was no excuse for the attempted arson. So no matter what you have to live with, you probably don't have as far to come as I did.

I have no enemies now. If I said that 20 years ago that means I took the Sten out there and I owe a couple of boxes of hollow points. (no ballistics) To the family. The person I am now is saying that I have no enemies means that there is noone in the world at the moment I would want to hurt, except a couple of people on the freeway. Thinking like in "Throw Mamma From The Train" I have no enemy to trade.

And in that respect, that is where I think I have grown the most. Thank you all for putting up with a reformed (I think) dickhead like me.

Another thread coming.

T

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RE: Not sure where to post this- Antidepressants - 12/6/2006 12:44:57 AM   
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Hear Hear, first let me say I agree with you Termyn8or about the pill popping.
Illegal drugs aren't as much the big problem our society faces as they once were, but the legal one's pose a much more evil and sinister danger to those unsuspecting that their good M.D.'s could ever knowingly or even naively work in collusion with the drug companies. Given some of the drugs and their long term effects I've watched totally change people for the worse in short order, they seem little more than modern day pushers working with the organized crime drug syndicated Pharmaceutical Companies, under the protection (likely via continual payoff of large$$e) of the FDA (Federal Dope Allocators) They are perfecting the art of making sure we may find relief, but never any cure. It's hard to comprehend how 1/3 of every dollar spent in this country could go into insurance companies coffers, untill one takes into account the incredibly high malpractice premiums Doctor's must pay to continue to practice their quackery, and antitrust premiums the drug compnies must cough up to keep making their poisons. The true culprits of course, are never even indicted, nuch less dragged thru the courts, being an immune Government Institution. It seems aboundingly obvious to me why the quacks and dope companies pay so much, and why their services and substances should be avoided like the plague, and seen as a last resort, if even that. How many more drug recalls and drug lawsuits with huge class action pay-offs do we have to watch to figure out somethings badly amiss in the world of American medicine/Health Care?

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Answer=money.


Despite being an alleged ex-arsonist and self-described ex-dickhead, you have quite astutely hit the nail on the head sir T. I guess asking you to come out of retirement to burn down certain Institutions and Beaurocracies would be a bit of a tall order, not to mention anarchy? Darn... well,... somebody needs to IMHO.
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RE: Not sure where to post this- Antidepressants - 12/6/2006 3:37:02 AM   
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Serzone can be a good anti-depressant to take if you don't want to suffer sexual side effects (like have your sex drive plummet). I've been taking it for at least 10 years now (I have bio-chemical depression and have taken anti-depressants for this for over 25 years; a genetic pre-disposition to depression runs in my family, and I've taken various anti-depressants over the years).

For the record, I thought Elavil and Paxil (and certainly Prozac) all sucked as far as both effectiveness at relieving symptoms of depression, as well as having undesireable side effects (Big time. Just my experience -and I realize everyone is different when we delve into the are of bodily reactions to pharmacuetical drugs).

But - Serzone (for me) has hardly any other side effects (very little "dry mouth", no weight gain either). Also, the company that makes it advertises these things as a "plus" , which leads me to believe it works this way for many people besides me. Wellbutrin, I've heard, is also good as far as this goes (as was mentioned). Good luck.

- Susan 

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RE: Not sure where to post this- Antidepressants - 12/6/2006 5:28:29 AM   
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Thank you all again for all of your input. You've given me a lot to think about and speak to my doctors about.

Thank you again,
shadow

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RE: Not sure where to post this- Antidepressants - 12/6/2006 5:29:31 AM   
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If you get suicidal, that is usually a sign that you have morals, and as it follows regrets.


This isn't necessarily true if you have a chemical imbalance that requires medication to treat. i've been in the position of having a loving wife, a good relationship with my family, a stable job that paid well enough, a nice house, good health, and no problems or ghosts to speak of... and compulsive thoughts of suicide.

i know there's a school of thought that says that all psychoactive drugs are a big scam, a crutch for the weak, etc... believe what you want, but stay humble.

...dave

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RE: Not sure where to post this- Antidepressants - 12/6/2006 6:36:28 AM   
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i am glad that you posted this. i have been on zoloft for 4 years and yes, i have the total numbness that you speak of. i am getting ready to try other drugs and the input from this thread has given me some good information. i think it is important to research before you ask your Dr, and most definitely research before beginning a new course of medication. i too would rather have the unhappy side effect of physically not being able to orgasm if the other choice is deep depression. in a perfect world i wouldnt need any drugs!

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RE: Not sure where to post this- Antidepressants - 12/6/2006 9:03:01 AM   
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I have been through the fire when it comes to psychiatric meds.  Curiously what works for one might be an horrible choice for another.  Zoloft was horrible for me, it made me incredibly sick beyond the ability to stay with it until I got used to it.  Not only did I experience tremors but my eyeballs literally trembled when I tried to focus.  I do know a lot of people who take it successfully, though.

I'm in agreement with those who suggest seeing a good psychiatrist.  They keep more current on these sorts of medications and have more experience (in general) with these sorts of things than the average gp.  Often gps misdiagnose psychiatric conditions and can make the problem worse because the meds they prescribe only address one facet of a condition when there may be others that are relevant.

For me, the best antidepressant I've ever taken is Remeron.  I take it once a day at night and it helps me sleep without need of other medications, my body got used to it within three days with only minor stomach upset, and the only other symptom I've experienced with it is weight gain.  That's pretty good for these sorts of medications.  Also, you don't have to take regular blood tests on this medication, which is always a concern for me.

Good luck to you with it all.  I hope you find the right one for you soon and with little side effects.


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RE: Not sure where to post this- Antidepressants - 12/6/2006 9:24:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

However the assumption has it's basis in fact. People with higher intelligence have been found to have overall higher levels of seratonin.

If seratonin is indeed a "grease" or a conductor that helps our axions and psions or whatever work, I am of the opinion the this is something that should not be messed with.

If seratonin is indeed an enabler, or part of a set of enabling hormones that helps the brain learn and problem solve, administering SSRIs is a crime.


With all due respect (and I do respect your posts and thoughts), your statement is contradictory.

Selective Seratonin Reuptake Inhibitors actually inhibit the body from reabsorbing seratonin, which enables more to remain in the blood stream.  Therefore, people on SSRIs actually have higher levels of seratonin than they would have without the SSRIs.  It's usually because of lower levels of seratonin that they get depressed (if you're looking at biochemical causes).  Other chemicals can be causative factors, such as norepinephrine, but most often depression is related to seratonin. 

Of course medications by themself are rarely the best course of action.  There are skills sets that people need to have and often people with depressive illnesses need to go the extra mile to acquire those skills.  Self analysis, personal responsibility and self management (the internal mirror so to speak) are especially important for the depressed person and, when sick, nearly impossible to achieve.

It won't surprise me at all if in the next few decades we discover that something we've been adding to the air, water, food or even some medication or vaccination is the reason more people are suffering from this disorder; but in the meantime it's important the persons with these symptoms can get some relief.  You can't acquire skills to manage your life if you're so sick you can't think or if you're always in pain.  I usually tell people to use the meds to bridge the gap so they can learn to help themself.

Meds aren't right for everyone, but for many they can be the missing link.


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RE: Not sure where to post this- Antidepressants - 12/7/2006 8:59:02 PM   
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MisSuz;

Reuptake. We don't need seratonin in our blood, we need it in the brain. The medical community has made similar mistakes, like about thimerasol. Oh, there's less lead in my autistic child's hair than my normal one. And they took it out, but after how many years ? I'll tell you how many years, as many years it took until they couldn't keep a lid on it anymore.

Seratonin is a very important hormone to our higher thinking, and I think we should leave it alone and find another way.

All you people on their drugs tell me this, just how many hours of counselling were there BEFORE they put you on it ?

And, do you expect to be on it for life ?

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RE: Not sure where to post this- Antidepressants - 12/7/2006 11:01:43 PM   
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All you people on their drugs tell me this, just how many hours of counselling were there BEFORE they put you on it ?

And, do you expect to be on it for life ?



Hours of counseling?  I couldn't give you a total.  I started therapy about the time puberty hit.  I've been in and out of therapy ever since.  I'll be 44 in February.  In my experience you can spend years going to every kind of sweat lodge (and variant thereof) you can find, spend years sitting in a semi lotus reflecting on your proverbial belly button, study various religions and spiritual paths, engage in as many alternative therapies as there are allopathic ones, try all the allopathic ones; and eventually you're going to come to the conclusion that the answer (for you) is somewhere in the middle.  It's just a question of finding where "middle" is for you.

Therapy is a wonderful tool.  Unfortunately it's often an extremely painful and traumatic process but can ultimately lead to significant growth.  But there are only so many demons one can exorcise before it becomes redundant and unnecessary drama.  At that point you've usually acquired enough skill to know when you need that other perspective and go when you need it; such as life crisis situations, major life changes, and significant bumps in the road.

For me medications, therapy as needed, massage (my preference is deep tissue neuromuscular with reiki and polarity therapy - swedish massage pisses me off), the occasional visit to the chiropractor, meditation, aerobic cellular respiration, diet and plenty of rest can go a long way in helping me stay balanced.  It can also consume ones' day if you let it.

I tell people what finding the right medication was like for me.  I spent nearly two decades acquiring all this knowledge and experience and introspection skills.  I tore myself inside out looking for personal demons and causes for dysfunction.  I taught myself the things that weren't modeled to me that I wanted in my life.  I forgave and learned to love the people that should have modeled and didn't.  I learned to nurture and honor myself so that I could honor others in the ways my heart wanted.  I learned that sometimes the strongest love is the love that can let go.  I learned what integrity meant to me.  I learned how I wanted to love the people around me.  But I couldn't put it into action.  Emotion ruled the day.  Years at a time of suicidal depression punctuated with irrational, explosive anger and being the life of the party.  Years of trial and error with medications that at best made me want to hurl all the time.  Years of misdiagnosis and treatments that made me worse.  Then one day the right combination of medications and therapies happened, and the skills I'd spent all those years learning just started slipping right into place.  I still feel a full range of emotion, but I make concious choices about my behavior.  No, I'm not perfect and sometimes I'm as neurotic as the next person, but I'm good to the people I love, I'm happy and I'm productive.  I've walked through the fire (and still have the coals - I occasionally do charcoal drawings with them) and am ok with where I ended up.  I'm even excited for the future.

Would you be surprised to know that I did the other things before I acquiesced to the medication?

I don't know if I'll always be on the medication.  I'd like to think not, but I know how very textbook it is for people to go off meds to see, and then have to spend months trying to get their life back on track.  I've tried it myself and I'm too damned old to be starting over all the time.  I've done it to death.  I do know that my life is better with the medication than without.  If that changes I'll reevaluate the situation, like I would anything else.

If my testimonials for medications seem to you like I just went through a funk and decided that a pill would fix my problems then please let me clarify now that has not been my experience.  In fact, it's very difficult for the so very many folks who have had to deal with similar things to so often have to resist the urge to rise to the insult that is the assumption that we're weak, uneducated, inexperienced and/ or in emotional dysfunction and denial.  Many of us have done a wider range of things than the average duck to learn to be happy, functional and to add value.  But, we do resist.  Some of us do it better than others, though.

I worked for a pharma (that didn't deal in psychiatric medications).  It was a good company, staffed by good people (including the execs).  I have some idea of the process and I walked away without a conspiracy theory (unless you count my feelings about personal injury lawyers in general).  Yeah, they had their share of jackasses there, but the vast majority of the people I worked with were decent, hard working and ethical people interested in doing a good job and proud to be helping to ease suffering.  It's a medium to large organization and therefore a body politic, but overall my experience was a good one.

If you've found a way to take care of you and yours that works for you then I'm truly happy for you.  Can you be happy for me that I've found a way that works for me?

Speaking of 'plenty of rest,' it's my time.  Good night.


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RE: Not sure where to post this- Antidepressants - 12/8/2006 1:23:41 AM   
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Well, at least now I know the names of two new antidepressants I can talk to a doctor about if I ever get insurance again or feel like going through the county for my mental health. I think my depression may be biochemical like SusanofO because I know at least half a dozen family members who have struggled with depression and I've had most of the classic symptoms off and on since I was maybe eight years old.

Who says you can't learn anything from friends on the Internet?


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RE: Not sure where to post this- Antidepressants - 12/8/2006 3:38:09 AM   
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I was on 150 mg of Effexor shortly after my Master passed away ..it helped for the first few months I would say but I couldn't stand the drugged feeling anymore so I lowered myself down to 75mg but the headaches were a pure nightmare until my body got use to the change, which it has...As of January 1st I will be down to an even lower dosage, to slowly wean myself off the medication. I have been on Prozac, Wellbutrin, Zoloft, Paxil, Effexor, Celexa, Zyprexa, even Lithium...but nothing seems to work...I take alot of herbs each day (14 to be exact) including drinking chamomile tea, green tea (without sugar) and alot of water and sleep....When my body gets in check, my moods slowly improve...I think a good diet/ healthy living can improve your moods/ depression...some of us still need medications but I suggest to include a healthy diet, exercise, alot of sleep and counseling.

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RE: Not sure where to post this- Antidepressants - 12/8/2006 6:47:46 PM   
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I've been on anti-depressants twice in my life. The first time was when my father was dying of a brain tumor & I was 800 miles away from him & the rest of my family. I went to my GP & told her I was having a difficult time coping with it. She told me if I wasn't having a problem I should really worry. That time I was on them for about a year. The second time I took them was when my job of 13 years was ending & my 7 year relationship with my boyfriend ended as well and I was having problems dealing with it. Again I was on them for about a year. My Dr recomended me to talk to someone the first time & my response was "are they going to be able to cure my father?" if not what good can they do. After that she just told me to call her if I needed to talk which is what I did. Depression & suicide run rampant in my family, I know the signs of depression & to what extent I can & cannot deal with things. If it gets too much I'll see a Dr. for some help but I'm lucky enough not to need to be on medication for life. But there are other people who should be on it for life or extended periods and if it helps them that's what they need to do. Each person is different and handles things in their own way.

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