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RE: Best advice - 12/10/2006 6:12:21 PM

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ORIGINAL: damia

i would like to know more about the harness that JohnWarren and LadyEllen mentioned, and where and from whom i might learn to properly use such a harness. i know it's not simple stuff, and i know it would take training. It is something i would be willing to put the extra work into.

damia the Kat

Personally, I'd think people would really be hesitant to tell you where to get the gear to hang yourself. It's kinda the same responsibility of telling the guy how to get the supplies to build a bomb to blow someone or something up. It's an awful responsibility to know you've risked this persons life by facilitating their ________ ideas.

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RE: Best advice - 12/10/2006 7:30:04 PM

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Different kinks for different people. If you don't like what i or anyone else are into...just ignore it. And i don't think showing me where to get stuff like the harness is the same as showing how to make a bomb to blow people up is the same at all. One, i'm not going to hurt anyone. Two, it will make it safer (after learning how to do it properly), not more likely to blow up in my or someone else's face.

Yes, breath play, noose play, and suspension play are controversial topics, especially where safety is involved. But what's wrong with asking how to make something -safer-? At least i'm asking, and not just doing it and thinking about safety later (if i had the chance, because i know it's dangerous.

As far as constructive thoughts, what about not actually hanging, but having the noose around my neck at such a level that i have to stay on my toes in order for it not to choke me, and it basically supports me on my toes, but there's still something beneath me (a wide platform perhaps; something that i won't accidentally fall off of), or even just the floor beneath me, and the rope forcing me to stay on my toes. And if i go down on my feet, then there's more of the appearance of hanging? i don't know...i like the idea of something forcing me to stay up, but not actually completely choking or putting weight on my spine. Thoughts?

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RE: Best advice - 12/10/2006 9:30:55 PM

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ORIGINAL: damia

Different kinks for different people. If you don't like what i or anyone else are into...just ignore it. And i don't think showing me where to get stuff like the harness is the same as showing how to make a bomb to blow people up is the same at all. One, i'm not going to hurt anyone. Two, it will make it safer (after learning how to do it properly), not more likely to blow up in my or someone else's face.

It sure would be if you died as a result.

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substudent - 12/10/2006 10:37:28 PM

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substudent: Please read again what I've said. I said: "I understand that you (Damia) meant to be hanged by the neck."...and he/she is wary that it might cut off air supply (Initial post). So my advise is: Do not do it, because there is no way to hang someone from the neck without cutting air and blood supply, even with a rigid collar around the neck as the pressure exerted by the body weight will press the neck against this rigid structure.

Now, if Damia wants to be hanged from the body using a harness or similar, and simulate being hanged by the neck using a tight rope that can be controlled by hand, but that does not hold Damia's weight at any moment, that is another situation, but then, that is not being hanged by the neck, hence my very first statement: I understand that you meant to be hanged by the neck...

Re-reading I can see that Grizzlybear stated more or less the same: You need to define exactly what you mean by "hanged". If you mean held in the air entirely by your neck, then no, there is no way to do it safely.

So what is what you guys don't understand?

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RE: substudent - 12/11/2006 2:27:29 AM

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You could always just google autoerotic asphixiation. i don't see how getting upset with people who point out a very real and obvious danger will help anyone. It sounds like you want it to be safe and anyone who points out how terribly unsafe it is incurs your ire.

That you had not already discussed your Master's experience with suspension and that He has his stuff in storage makes me wonder if this whole thread isn't putting the cart before the horse. i would certainly want to know His experience in suspension bondage first. Here's a rule i have yet to find an exception to: For that which is truely important, time and money WILL be found. When your Master finds the time to get his gear out of storage, it will be truely important to Him.

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RE: substudent - 12/11/2006 11:38:17 AM

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Royalton, I think she knows this by now. The only way to make neck-suspension 'safe,' is to not do it at all, which is why I suggested using a harness to merely give the appearance of it. I'm just talking about semantics and approach; I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm sorry I made it seem otherwise.

And of course, there's always that 'law' that states, "whenever someone corrects another person, the post correcting the other will always contain the error the poster brought up in the first place." Can someone tell me the name of this is?

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RE: substudent - 12/11/2006 1:10:22 PM

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Let's cut through all the bullshit. I am a self taught engineer. I have also done things to myself and others that would put hair on your chest, curl it, and wipe it right off.

I could see how just the right collar could be designed to not obstruct the airway, at least not alot. It could be designed with all the pressure points figured out and be a marvelous restraint. One that could be struggled against hard with little risk of injury or asphyxiation, but we still have one major problem,. The weight of the human body.

No matter how good the design, the neck simply won't hold the weight, and the consequences, we don't even want to go there.

I am however innovative at times. Realistically any harness such as used for climbing goes between the legs, there is not much in the way of support available with lateral straps. They would have to be very tight, and even if you do want the breathing restriction, putting your body weight on it may be painful or harmful.

So I have come up with a suggestion. You can use a real noose or a regular collar. You suspend by the body harness, but by varying weight distribution you can change the amount of pressure applied to the neck. You can then impose a more reasonable choking force, so to speak. (did I just say that ?, they should give me a better avatar immediately).

I know, all this shit is dangerous, but the thing is people will try it anyway. And it depends on what people want. Perhaps even a climbing harness and a neck brace would be sufficient for some, other might require some degree of choking. Whatever the case, you simply can't support the human body by the neck and expect the person to live. Even if they do live, look for some serious problems. Even if they have a strong neck, the cross-sectional area required is simply not there.

Think of it this way, even with suspension cuffs, get hung in the air by one wrist. That wrist is not going to be happy and healthy in a very short time.

Actually I am starting to like the idea, a full body harness and a noose or collar. Seperate tethers. With the proper attachment point on the harness it could be made so if the tether for the noose itself is loosened the pressure increases as the subs body leans forward. Taking up the slack, actually tightening a tether makes the sub more comfortablllllll,,,,,, less unconfortable.

Thank you for invoking my evil genius mode, it has been a while.

If you want to be nice to a sub you can tether their ankles to the floor, seperately of course. This way they have something to work against to straighten out and breathe, even if you don't allow it. With a lower attachment point on the harness in the back, the sub has no way to decrease the tension on the collar or noose.

Setting up a rig like this might take some practice, exact attachment points and safety have to be very seriously considered. Some dry runs, then some only a inch from the floor. Experimenting with the tension of the two tethers, with the Dom RIGHT there to help in case the sub can't stand the pressure level on the neck.

Difficulty breathing, bulging eyes and all that must come after you are thouroughly familiar with the rig, and what it does. You are pushing the envelope. This can be the thrill of a lifetime, or it can be THE thrill of a lifetime, your's.

I mean really, don't get yourself a Darwin award.

T

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RE: substudent - 12/11/2006 1:15:10 PM

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I think a crucifiction would accomplish the goal without as much danger.

Ron

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RE: substudent - 12/11/2006 1:20:55 PM

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Ummm, a real one ?

T

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RE: substudent - 12/11/2006 1:31:51 PM

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Don't need the nails, all you need to do is stretch the diaphram and let them wear it and their strength out as they bicycle and slowly feel the suffocation. There is time to get out of that one. But it is real enough.

Ron

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RE: substudent - 12/11/2006 3:34:13 PM

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Termyn8or, I was referring to a previous post I had made, which pretty much said what you said about using a climbing harness designed to support the whole body's weight. etc.

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Murphy's Laws - 12/11/2006 11:06:01 PM

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That would be Murphy's Laws?

http://roso.epfl.ch/dm/murphy.html

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RE: Murphy's Laws - 12/12/2006 3:28:26 AM

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I've hanged three subs, by the neck, with a noose and no harness. I did it after a great deal of research, talking to those that have done it before, trying things out before cautiously applying them. None of my subs have suffered anything more than mild abrasions and a slight soreness of the throat, both of which disappeared within hours or overnight. They've hanged many times, with up to three hangings in one session. It IS possible to achieve what the Master desires. That said, I can only speak for what I have achieved and what I believe others have achieved (there is a great deal of nonsense spoken about nooseplay so I'm naturally sceptical). Every person is different, both sub and Dom, so every hanging is therefore doubly different.

Having established that you COULD hang, you should consider whethe you SHOULD. Leaving aside the service desire, what is the physical (heart irregularities, ashthma, weak neck muscles, weight, etc.) and psychological (panic attacks, claustrophobia, etc.) state of the sub. Ditto the Dom (are they strong/healthy enough to lift an unconscious sub to safety? Will they intervene if things might be going wrong or will they continue to enjoy the moment?). What level of expertise is available (CPR and mouth-to-mouth training, quick-release mechanisms set up) and equipment (suitable noose and gallows, link to emergency services readily available)?

There are many, many questions and unless they can all be answered satisfactorily then full noose play should be postponed. That's not to say that you can't play on the periphery. The aforementioned harnesses will test the strain on the beam or frame or whatever is used as the gallows. Pulling up gently on toes will test the suitability of the noose. Placement of the knot (or ring loop or whatever) will determine where is best for the sub, but in controlled, safe circumstances, not just before you're kicked off a stool! Take very small, very cautious steps, experimenting all the while. Don't engage in bondage or similar until you're absolutely comfortable with each stage. Practice (and re-practice and re-practice again) each step, until you are both 150% comfortable with each other and their responses. Just trusting someone generally (D/s) is not enough for specific trust, in terms of nooseplay.

There are certain essential rules. Never drop the sub. Never jerk the sub's neck (pulling up quickly, perhaps). Never be afraid to call in expert medical help. The embarrassment of awkward questions or minor assault charges are nothing compared to Murder or Manslaughter investigations. Never use alcohol or drugs or play when tired. Mistakes can happen under those circumstances, and they could be fatal ones... Never rush things - take time to ensure that everything is just so (in my experience this heightens the tension until the sub is positively begging to be hanged - delicious!). Ensure that the noose and other props are just right for the sub, not the Dom. They're the one taking the physical risk so their call is the final one.

That's just a few ramblings from someone who's done this sort of thing. I don't pretend to know it all, but I know enough to back off and state my ignorance. I'd rather abandon a million scenes than take an unncessary (uncalculated) risk. Since the Original Poster seems determined to proceed, all I can do is shepherd her along in what I consider to be the safest (least dangeroud) route. Those who state that it's too dangerous are not entirely correct, as my personal experience has shown, but they have very valid concerns. If in any doubt, then don't do it. Role-play it instead. It lacks the drama of a real hanging but at least everyone involved can relax that bit more and enjoy it...

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RE: Best advice - 12/12/2006 5:22:10 AM

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ORIGINAL: ThinkingKitten
It took centuries for them to master the art of hanging (calculation involving body mass and allowed vertical drop, along with correct sizing and placement of the knot against the left side of the neck). Until then it must have been ugly, ugly, ugly.

It got ugly even then when people didn't do the math right. There was a case of a guy who, when he was caught, got wounded in the arm and as a result had to have hit amputated. Then, while waiting for his trial, and after that, the execution, ate like a pig.

When the time came to hang him, the executioners used his weight at arrest and failed to take into account that his missing arm changed the weight dynamics.

His head came off.

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RE: Best advice - 12/12/2006 12:01:30 PM

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I would say (like most here) this is not something that can be done safely without it just being over top of another type of harness that actually makes it not a hanging.
I think your idea of tippy toes is also not very safe in the event you go flat footed and the rope gets stuck tight around your neck. It leaves your Sir with the option to cut your throat to release the rope or hope he can unbind it in time.
I think the best thing is to start with other types of suspensions and get comfortable with them before you re-address the big hanging deal.
Maybe you should take pictures of you with a noose on while someone hold the rope without really getting it tight.
At least you could tell your Sir you wanted to hang for him so you sort of did it in a photo for him.
Maybe he'd appreciate all the trouble you went through to give him the image in his mind of you hanging without you having to risk hurting yourself permanently..
Wanting to please him, and protecting the property are both equally important things.
I understand your dilemma & wish you the best.
suzanne

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