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mantis65 -> RE: Books!!!! (2/21/2005 11:44:41 PM)
quote: The Manipulated Mind: Brainwashing, Conditioning and Indoctrination, This sounds interesting I love the psychological aspect! mantis

Hickory -> RE: Books!!!! (2/22/2005 5:43:14 AM)
This is a wonderful thread and a great resource. A bit off topic, but I have just finished "The Sociopath Next Door", by Martha Stout, which is FASCINATING. I have an in-law that we always referred to as "sociopathic", without really knowing what that means. Ooooh, baby, what an eye opener. I stayed up late and read right through. She does kinda go on and on with clinical analysis at times, but it offered me some excellent insight into what makes my in-law tick (like a time bomb, it seems). According to the author, there are seven signs of Antisocial Personality Disorder, any three of which could result in that diagnosis. My in-law nailed it 7 for 7! 1. Failure to conform to social norms; 2. Deceitfulness, manipulativeness; 3. Impulsivity, failure to plan ahead; 4. Irritability, aggressiveness; 5. Reckless disregard for the safety of self or others; 6. Consistent irresponsibility; 7. Lack of remorse after having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another person Now I need a "light read" to get my mind off the ceiling - mebbe "Screw the Roses?"

aliljaded1 -> RE: Books!!!! (2/22/2005 6:36:55 AM)
ive read some really good books since christmas one that was outstanding was "when things fall apart" by pema chodron its a book about learning to live w/ what you have and how fear and pain are the tools that help you rather then paralylize you . i highly recomend it. ~fear is a natural reaction to moving closer to the truth ~ (a quote from the book ) i read the anne rice "beauty series , they were excellent as well. my new fav "bathroom read" is "101 damnnations" its 101 short stoies that are hysterical. and last but not least , my oldest son bought me a book for christmas called "why a son needs a mom" it was a book of quotes that were eye opening .

mantis65 -> RE: Books!!!! (2/22/2005 12:02:57 PM)
quote: 1. Failure to conform to social norms; 2. Deceitfulness, manipulativeness; 3. Impulsivity, failure to plan ahead; 4. Irritability, aggressiveness; 5. Reckless disregard for the safety of self or others; 6. Consistent irresponsibility; 7. Lack of remorse after having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another person I have been involved with one women like this a true sociopath. I liked her since high school for being a "bad girl" type. She wound up in prison a few times since. She got diagnosed in prison as a sociopath. She was good at convincing people that she had changed and then would do something terrible later on. Usually petty stuff like shoplifting or stealing money from an employer she never considered the logical outcome of her actions ever. The last time I talked to her on the phone almost two years ago she was about have a kid. Scary I loved her for being a rebel but her destructive side was too much for me. she seemed to like me becuse she could control me easy but now looking back i wonder if she can "like" or love anyone for real. On the book topic I picked up one called a History of Torture by George Riley Scott. I know scary and historical not kink but it fascinates me.

celestia -> RE: Books!!!! (2/23/2005 11:16:34 PM)
Alright, (big sigh) I have read the beauty trilogy, I have read Keshiel's, and the Story of O, not to mention the Gor saga, but I have been to two book stores now and am having a god awful time finding some of these other books. ( pout) Not to mention the odd looks I am getting from customer service reps. I did find a new fiction book, Tie me up, Tie me down. I will let you know how it is when I am done with it wink

BeachMystress -> RE: Books!!!! (2/24/2005 12:01:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mantis65 quote: The Manipulated Mind: Brainwashing, Conditioning and Indoctrination, This sounds interesting I love the psychological aspect! mantis LOL, a lot of BDSM (or any sex) is mental. Would you rather have a woman paddle you without setting a scene? Without saying anything beforehand.. plopping down on the edge of the bed and patting her lap? Or would you rather she talk you through it, tell you what a bad boy you've been, how she is going to spank the slut right out of you? Have her rub your butt and tell you how it is glowing red; telling you that you're taking these marks to be worthy of her.. Having her tell you how tingly spanking you is making her. How hot she is getting. The one that engages your mind is the more intense scene. The better you understand what makes someone tick, the better you can engage them. Psychology books, to me, are bdsm books, LoL. Another interesting read is Dick Sutphin's "The Battle for your Mind: Persuasion & Brainwashing Techniques Being Used On The Public Today" http://www.dicksutphen.com/html/battlemind.html The stuff in there should be required reading (and made sure they understand it) for every child before the Sat morn commercials between cartoons come on. Nothing like manipulating an innocent mind. :-( quote: ORIGINAL: mantis65 I loved her for being a rebel but her destructive side was too much for me. Yes, people tend to be attracted to strong personalities. It explains why those hot, sexy girls in high school ended up with the total idiots who weren't worthy of them. We like the antihero, the "bad boy", the "bad girl". The person who is conflicted and tortured. They seem mysterious and exciting. Not all of us who are strong women have the problem with lack of social conditioning though, thankfully. You'll still be able to find a kinda "bad girl" who has the right edges to be trustworthy. It's just hard to find the bad girl with the heart of gold. :-) They don't come with labels and I don't know any tests for it. Oh, actually, the scoring on the Jung - Myers-Briggs personality indicator test might give you an idea, http://www.humanmetrics.com/ -mainpage ; http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp - direct link to test or the The Keirsey Temperament tests. http://www.keirsey.com/ I understand that true psychopaths/sociopaths can sometimes be overlooked due to the fact they know how to mimic normal. There is a thread around here somewhere on Dom/sub personality types.. looks it up to spare poor overworked proud http://www.collarme.com/forum/m_51018/mpage_1/key_person/tm.htm

mantis65 -> RE: Books!!!! (2/24/2005 2:54:52 AM)
quote: They don't come with labels and I don't know any tests for it. Oh, actually, the scoring on the Jung - Myers-Briggs personality indicator test might give you an idea ugh i took that test is gave me the creeps a bit ..i posted the resluts in that last thread you posted thread. i got this: quote: The Counselor Idealists are abstract in thought and speech, cooperative in reaching their goals, and directive and introverted in their interpersonal roles. Counselors focus on human potentials, think in terms of ethical values, and come easily to decisions. The small number of this type (little more than 2 percent) is regrettable, very wierd

justfunco -> RE: Books!!!! (2/24/2005 3:27:53 PM)
The recent book I got was Ultimate Guide to Sexual Fantasy: How to turn Fantasy into Reality by Violet Blue. So far I love it!!

BeachMystress -> RE: Books!!!! (2/25/2005 10:59:57 AM)
LOL, do not feel bad. Both my sub and myself are also INFJ. It seems to be a prevalent personality type in BDSM. Taking into consideration that we introverts are more likely to end up in a less f2f setting such as the forums, the fact that INFJ is so highly represented and the other personality types more rare is a bit skewed. But even with that, the fact that something as rare in the general population is heavily represented in BDSM is significant to me.

FelinePersuasion -> RE: Books!!!! (8/2/2006 9:45:24 AM)
I thought the beauty series was horribly written, so poorly in fact I almost didn't read them, fortuantly it gets a little better written, Also most her stuff she wrote about was not only dangerous it was far fetched whanko fantasy material. I guess that's nice if you read fiction for whanko material, but I would of liked to see a little bit of credibility in the stuff she wrote about. Like for instance she writes that tightly bound mummified slaves are left in the great hallway all day unattended. ok great whanko, but not credible. the male slaves were hung upsidedown in the garden for hours and their balls paddled, again whanko fantasy.

ShiftedJewel -> RE: Books!!!! (8/2/2006 10:00:37 AM)
quote: I thought the beauty series was horribly written, so poorly in fact I almost didn't read them, fortuantly it gets a little better written, Also most her stuff she wrote about was not only dangerous it was far fetched whanko fantasy material. *Are you on a mission to get Ann Rice or something today? Posting this same message on a recent post wasn't good enough? Geeeze....* *Jewel*

thetammyjo -> RE: Books!!!! (8/2/2006 10:15:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: madnessinc Reading through journals, on-line and such, I have seen a few books here and there that some people have as "suggested reading." Here shortly I plan on making a trip to the book store and picking up a few of them, so here's the question.... which do you suggest, and why? And please, let us not start a huge arguement over why this is, or isn't the "best book in the world." I'm looking for opinions, and the reasons for it Well, honestly, many of the books mentioned are not going to be readily available in your Borders or Barnes & Noble or other "mainstream bookstores". You might be able to special order things but online (Amazon.com, KinkyBooks.com, Ablebooks.com, etc) may be your best choice. Which sort sucks cause wouldn't you like to be able to hold the book and glance through it first before you buy it?

akisha -> RE: Books!!!! (8/2/2006 10:46:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FelinePersuasion I thought the beauty series was horribly written, so poorly in fact I almost didn't read them, fortuantly it gets a little better written, Also most her stuff she wrote about was not only dangerous it was far fetched whanko fantasy material. I guess that's nice if you read fiction for whanko material, but I would of liked to see a little bit of credibility in the stuff she wrote about. Like for instance she writes that tightly bound mummified slaves are left in the great hallway all day unattended. ok great whanko, but not credible. the male slaves were hung upsidedown in the garden for hours and their balls paddled, again whanko fantasy. LOL Anne Rice's Beauty series was based solely on fantasy. I'm pretty sure she had no intention of anyone actually trying what she wrote. It's called Fiction for a reason. I thought they were well written myself, they captivate the imagination. Any one with half a brain would realize that most of the things she wrote are things that could not be conceivably done in a real life situation.But for a mental stimulation and fantasy her discriptions were quite interesting. But like anything else, what authors you like is a very personal thing. If you want realism you're going to have to stay away from Fantasy writers.

nerdyryan -> RE: Books!!!! (8/2/2006 11:29:59 AM)
If you are into erotica, anything by Pat Califia is fantastic. 'A Cop and his Choirboy' from No Mercy is especially good. He also has some very poignant personal messages at the end of all his books that are highly relevant.

amayos -> RE: Books!!!! (8/2/2006 11:35:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: madnessinc Reading through journals, on-line and such, I have seen a few books here and there that some people have as "suggested reading." Here shortly I plan on making a trip to the book store and picking up a few of them, so here's the question.... which do you suggest, and why? And please, let us not start a huge arguement over why this is, or isn't the "best book in the world." I'm looking for opinions, and the reasons for it Frankly, I have found books on the subject to be quite uninspiring, and for the most part, either redundant or somewhat shaky in the ideas they promote. For all the dissertations and volumes of advice written on dominance and submission, nothing compares to eating a bright red apple under a clear blue sky and just plain thinking on it for yourself.

amayos -> RE: Books!!!! (8/2/2006 11:38:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hickory According to the author, there are seven signs of Antisocial Personality Disorder, any three of which could result in that diagnosis. My in-law nailed it 7 for 7! 1. Failure to conform to social norms; 2. Deceitfulness, manipulativeness; 3. Impulsivity, failure to plan ahead; 4. Irritability, aggressiveness; 5. Reckless disregard for the safety of self or others; 6. Consistent irresponsibility; 7. Lack of remorse after having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another person Goodness me. That describes 95% of the human population, save point 1.

trixr4kids -> RE: Books!!!! (8/2/2006 11:56:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: knkywch A book called Different Loving is well-written and provides case studies which I found interesting. I too find Different loving a wonderful book. I personally the best BDSM book I've read for me personally. Here's a list of the ones I've read that I'd recommend in addition to the one above. Non-Fiction Of course Screw the Roses Give Me The Thorns Slavecraft Mrs Abernathy's consice slave training manual The Ethical Slut SM101 Jay Weissmans Rope books I can't remember the names of Fiction Exit to Eden The Anne Rice Sleeping Beauty Trillogy The Story of O Topping From Below The Market Place books For those who want cheap second hand copies of any of the above amazon.com sells most of them very cheap online & they are in pretty good shape.

marieToo -> RE: Books!!!! (8/2/2006 12:15:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: madnessinc Reading through journals, on-line and such, I have seen a few books here and there that some people have as "suggested reading." Here shortly I plan on making a trip to the book store and picking up a few of them, so here's the question.... which do you suggest, and why? And please, let us not start a huge arguement over why this is, or isn't the "best book in the world." I'm looking for opinions, and the reasons for it I'm currently reading a book called Influence: The Psychology of Pursuasion. Its authored by Dr. Robert Cialdini. It was recommended to me by Padriag when I was searching for answers about mental bondage. It offers knowledge that could definately have applications in the world of bdsm. But I think its a great book for anyone to read.

DoctorDubious -> RE: Books!!!! (8/2/2006 1:51:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: marieToo I'm currently reading a book called *Influence: The Psychology of Pursuasion. Its authored by Dr. Robert Cialdini. It was recommended to me by Padriag when I was searching for answers about mental bondage. It offers knowledge that could definately have applications in the world of bdsm. But I think its a great book for anyone to read. Hi marie ... and all gentle readers... While there are all kinds of darker, more evil ways to manipulate minds.... Cialdini's book is absolutely, without a doubt, indisputably and beyond-question the single finest resource on manipulation and persuasion that is generally available. It's in every* Borders and B&N. And, wonder of wonders, everything he writes is backed up by actual research.... Anyone who has even the slightest interest in persuasion.... or NOT being persuaded and influenced will find it the best 10 hours of reading imaginable. It is always the first book I reccomend to copywriters and ad-writers and marketing people. My old masters' thesis on Chinese propaganda techniques is a strong second.... but I'm narcisisstic and tend to approve of myself. DD, an occasionally persuasive old goat with a flair for hyperbole PS.... predrag is right, these are unquestionably the first 7 buttons to push... but.... there ARE more, deeper, darker, more dubious buttons.

mnottertail -> RE: Books!!!! (8/2/2006 1:58:16 PM)
I would have to add that Robert Greene's 48 Laws of Power also aligns with Cialdini's book in very amusing and rudimentary ways.

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