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Overlawyered - 12/17/2006 11:52:58 PM   
Voltare


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As an English Teacher for adults here in Chile, most of my clients are interested in business related topics.  I use this site as part of a short series on how the legal system works in the US. 

http://www.overlawyered.com/

It bothers me when the legal system is used this way.  I've thought about opening a restaurant.  It terrifies me that I could lose a year's income to a shyster who travels around looking for shops that don't have a wheelchair ramp or handicap accessible bathrooms.

http://www.ocweekly.com/news/news/the-new-crips/25982/

I believe in fair and equal rights for everyone, including my right to say "if you don't like my shop, shop somewhere else" and your right to say "I don't like McDonald's coffee, they make it too hot." 

While everyone deserves their 'day in court' these days in courts are on the way to destroying the US.  Currently, US Tort costs are 2.2% of Gross Domestic Product and rising.  Essentially, that one out of every fifty bucks from the register is simply going into the hands of the customer who complains the most - because he's complaining.

http://www.towersperrin.com/tillinghast/publications/reports/2005_Tort_Cost/2005_Tort.pdf

There's clearly a need for laws that protect both businesses and consumers.  I do believe managers should be held liable for exploitative practices (i.e. cigarette and alcohol companies that specifically targeted children and teens.)  But the current trend that that businesses deserve to be punished ensures that only lawers and 'lottery' style verdict winners deserve to be rich.

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RE: Overlawyered - 12/18/2006 12:56:04 AM   
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I think what are perceived as nuisance lawsuits, annoy a lot of us, V.

But one man's nuisance is another man's bid for justice I suppose, and who is to say which suits are purely for nuisance value?

In my view, each case must be judged on its merits, and must be heard before the closest we have to competent authority - open court.

But there are some things we could do, to hinder possible nuisance suits;

1) lawyers must work on contingency only, in such cases; no lawyer would represent in a nuisance lawsuit, if he thought he wouldnt get paid, after all? This should mean (hopefully) that only cases brought on good grounds are handled. But then again, this contingency basis is prevalent now in the UK for such cases, and maybe also the US? It wouldnt take me long to build a chart to show breakeven point, assuming I as a lawyer took on 50% definite winners and 50% doubtfuls-but-worth-a-shots as cases.
2) if the case is proven, then the lawyer is paid at normal rate for his work+25% (for example), by the guilty party -no deduction from or share of, or relation to the compensation/punitive damages. 
3) if the case is unproven, then the plaintiff should pay the lawyer; this would deter nuisance cases more than anything I'd have thought
4) Compensation to be compensation for proven damage/loss only, and adjusted according to ongoing expense as the result of damage/injury
5) Punitive damages paid to the successful plaintiff to be limited to 25% (for example) of compensation. The court should be free to fine for any criminal act/omission etc under the law.
6) The defendant should be free to claim nuisance damages from the unsuccessful claimant too, for damage to reputation.

The overall aim of the above being, to deter nuisance lawsuits, whilst not preventing genuine cases from being heard and brought to justice. I dont pretend those proposals are perfect by the way!

But, would you file a nuisance lawsuit, if you knew that failure would mean paying the legal costs, compensation for loss of reputation to the defendant, and the most you were likely to get was compensation for whatever losses+25% you can prove if by some chance youre successful?
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RE: Overlawyered - 12/18/2006 9:21:55 AM   
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thats the only field that we haven't outsourced.

Judges are very unlikely to over rule another judge. You can take my word at this. Or throw money- your choice...

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