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researching HIV - 12/18/2006 12:20:03 AM   
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For the last year and a half i have been taking classes in college regarding health and safety  during sexual activity.  i have questions rpertaining to transmission of STD's most specifically the transmission of HIV. In school we have had statistics regarding the transmission of the virus between men/women men/men but little to no information regarding the statistics of women/women transmission.

Academically i would like to know where i can research this information or specific articles in professional journals so that i can obtain useful sources for future reference.
Fortunately for me personally i have never had any form of an STD and therefore my research is without personal interest and soley academic in nature and would prefer to keep this post as such.

i am not seeking advice on how to prevent STD STI transmission as it goes without saying or should given that we are all adults to use condoms, get tested frequently and know your partner.

Thank Y/you for Y/your guidence in finding such references for my future studies.
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RE: researching HIV - 12/18/2006 1:14:59 AM   
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It would seem the chances of HIV being transmitted from one woman to another through 'normal' sexual interaction are less than being hit by lightning.

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/women/resources/factsheets/wsw.htm

http://www.thebody.com/apla/apr00/lesbians.html

In most cases of HIV in lesbians, the woman identifies the source of the disease to be from a male.


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RE: researching HIV - 12/18/2006 1:27:32 AM   
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Go to the CDC website. They're offical.

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RE: researching HIV - 12/19/2006 10:16:47 PM   
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If you are in college you should have access to ERIC database which is by far the most complete database on any academic subject.  Usually the library has instructions on how to access it.

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RE: researching HIV - 12/19/2006 11:04:01 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Voltare

It would seem the chances of HIV being transmitted from one woman to another through 'normal' sexual interaction are less than being hit by lightning.

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/women/resources/factsheets/wsw.htm

http://www.thebody.com/apla/apr00/lesbians.html

In most cases of HIV in lesbians, the woman identifies the source of the disease to be from a male.


 
 
Bodily fluids are bodily fluids whether it man or Woman.
I would imagine there are a few cases where women that are drug users infected their partner(as in same sex).
 
Lesbians on occasion lick some pussy...I'm pretty sure thats a bodily fluid..so common sense would tell you lesbians can catch and spread HIV.
 
 

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RE: researching HIV - 12/19/2006 11:23:07 PM   
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This is to the OP, and everyone who posted, but I'll take off from MistressSassy's comments because they are a bit misleading.

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MistressSassy:  Bodily fluids are bodily fluids whether it man or Woman.


Well, yes and no.  The titration of HIV varies widely from infected person to infected person, and one factor (albeit fairly low down on the list) is gender; men appear to have higher concentrations of the virus in their blood, but this is most likely an artifact of the time of diagnosis, which is critical.  HIV concentrates in early infection, drops down, and then explodes in late infection.  Semen is also a concentrated vector for the virus, but of course you can't do M to F comparisons of virus volume there.  Breast milk appears to be a vector, but in MUCH lower concentrations.  I have never read about vaginal fluid as a vector, or how concentrated the virus is.   And if you are talking about the effectiveness of carrying HIV, bodily fluids ain't all the same:  Urine is not a vector/stomach acid is not a vector, and saliva is in question, although in infected people the virus is definitely present in the mouth.  Conversely, blood is a significant vector.  Cerebral-spinal fluid is also a significant vector.

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  MistressSassy, again:  I would imagine there are a few cases where women that are drug users infected their partner(as in same sex).
 
Lesbians on occasion lick some pussy...I'm pretty sure thats a bodily fluid..so common sense would tell you lesbians can catch and spread HIV.



If you are looking at sexual preference/behavior, Lesbians are probably the least significant vector, and oral-genital lesbian sex barely figures in.   A more likely cause of an F to F infection is fisting or other activity where an infected person exposes their blood (the most likely vector) to the mucosa or other infectable areas of their partner.  The mouth is a relatively hostile place for HIV, and oral-genital contact is not near as effective a vector for transmission as, say, rough genital or anal contact.

All that said, the danger of HIV, and the consequences of infection, are still so great as to require barrier sex in ANY risk situation.  But in fact, not all fluids, or vectors, are equal.
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RE: researching HIV - 12/20/2006 12:34:04 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Emperor1956

This is to the OP, and everyone who posted, but I'll take off from MistressSassy's comments because they are a bit misleading.

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MistressSassy:  Bodily fluids are bodily fluids whether it man or Woman.


Well, yes and no.  The titration of HIV varies widely from infected person to infected person, and one factor (albeit fairly low down on the list) is gender; men appear to have higher concentrations of the virus in their blood, but this is most likely an artifact of the time of diagnosis, which is critical.  HIV concentrates in early infection, drops down, and then explodes in late infection.  Semen is also a concentrated vector for the virus, but of course you can't do M to F comparisons of virus volume there.  Breast milk appears to be a vector, but in MUCH lower concentrations.  I have never read about vaginal fluid as a vector, or how concentrated the virus is.   And if you are talking about the effectiveness of carrying HIV, bodily fluids ain't all the same:  Urine is not a vector/stomach acid is not a vector, and saliva is in question, although in infected people the virus is definitely present in the mouth.  Conversely, blood is a significant vector.  Cerebral-spinal fluid is also a significant vector.

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  MistressSassy, again:  I would imagine there are a few cases where women that are drug users infected their partner(as in same sex).
 
Lesbians on occasion lick some pussy...I'm pretty sure thats a bodily fluid..so common sense would tell you lesbians can catch and spread HIV.



If you are looking at sexual preference/behavior, Lesbians are probably the least significant vector, and oral-genital lesbian sex barely figures in.   A more likely cause of an F to F infection is fisting or other activity where an infected person exposes their blood (the most likely vector) to the mucosa or other infectable areas of their partner.  The mouth is a relatively hostile place for HIV, and oral-genital contact is not near as effective a vector for transmission as, say, rough genital or anal contact.

All that said, the danger of HIV, and the consequences of infection, are still so great as to require barrier sex in ANY risk situation.  But in fact, not all fluids, or vectors, are equal.
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I am not misleading anyone when I say bodily fluid of any kind can pass HIV,some fluids have a higer risk of passing it.

I agree Lesbians have a lesser chance,but to discredit that bodily fluids arnt passed is off a bit...for instance a lesbian has HIV and she has her fingers in her partners vagina,her fingers happen to have hangnails and open sores around torn cuticles as she fingering she scrapes her partners gspot...now she has open in sores inside her partners scratched up pussy....I would bet money and lots of it the risk of passing it along are damn good.But hell I'm just a Lesbian who has lost friends to AIDS,so I'm no expert.

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RE: researching HIV - 12/20/2006 1:58:38 AM   
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Sassy - 'common sense' fifteen years ago suggested that you could get AIDS by kissing or using a public drinking fountain or toilet.  The odds of a woman getting HIV through oral sex with another woman are still less than getting struck by lightning.


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RE: researching HIV - 12/20/2006 9:42:54 AM   
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Sassy, we are in agreement.  I took your statement "bodily fluids are bodily fluids" to mean that there was no difference in risk.  Apparently I was wrong in my reading, because you and I are saying the same thing.  Ditto re: risks attendant to fisting, or other sorts of manual/vaginal play.

Voltare you say "'common sense' fifteen years ago suggested that you could get AIDS by kissing or using a public drinking fountain or toilet."  Which common sense is that?  None that I know.  By 1991 (that's 15 years ago) the vectors of HIV were pretty well understood.  Can you support this rather foolish statement?
 
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RE: researching HIV - 12/21/2006 1:04:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL : Wikipedia

When scientists first recognized the syndrome in 1981 initially they termed it Gay Related Immune Deficiency Syndrome, a possible source for the misconception holding that AIDS infects only homosexual men; scientists soon renamed the disease in recognition of transmission other than by male-male intercourse.


I suppose in my statement, I was being overly general.  Would you feel better if I said 17 years ago?  The real issue is that it depends on who you talk to - considering the rate with which people are starting to die of the disease in Africa, it's safe to say that a large number of people still don't understand the 'vectors.'  But, the real issue:

Odds of being struck by lightning at least once in your life:   1/5,000

http://www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov/medical.htm

Odds of a woman contracting AIDS from another woman:  1/11,000

Odds calculated by:

5,875,000 - Women in the US who have engaged in homosexual behavior

http://cloud9.norc.uchicago.edu/faqs/sex.htm (percentage of women who have engaged in homosexual behavior in their lives)
http://factfinder.census.gov/ (US Census)

534 - HIV+ Women reporting only Women to Women contact (91% of these women also listed another high risk behavior, typically injection drug use - a screen of one million blood donations from women found zero infections, from women who's only risk factor of AIDS was lesbian sex.)

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/women/resources/factsheets/wsw.htm

Indeed, more women will likely die from stun gun attack this year, than contract AIDS from another woman.

http://www.azcentral.com/specials/special43/articles/1224taserlist24-ON.html

I'm not suggesting it's impossible - clearly it is.  A woman who is menstruating, or has a bleeding wound is capable of passing the disease on to a woman with an open sore or cut on her mouth, or in any setting where blood or vaginal secretions are exchanged.  The issue, though, is one of probability and the potential social damage done by over exaggerating risks of any behavior.  If it's really lives you're intent on saving, you'd be better off advocating the use of seatbelts for women - more die unnaturally of car crashes than any other cause; breast cancer certainly looms much higher in real risks as well.


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RE: researching HIV - 12/21/2006 2:25:40 PM   
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If you're looking for academic, professional resources and references then you have to start at the National Library of Medicine: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/
 
http://www.medscape.com also offers free contininung education material and newletters in areas such as infectious diseases and public health - you just have to sign up for a free account in order to access a lot of it. You can also do Medline searches there (which partly access the NLM). Then there's the CDC, as previously mentioned.
 
Once you've compiled your list of reference articles and publications (many medical journals require subscriptions), you just have to find a University with a Faculty of Medicine and head for their library. For a small fee and if you are a student they will arrange to get articles for you from publications that they don't have through interlibrary services.
 
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RE: researching HIV - 12/21/2006 4:41:43 PM   
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 First  MistressSassy i send my heartfelt condolensces on Your losses. Secondly i appreciate those who are replying...Finally, the statistics and professional resources were precisely what i was looking for. When we went over the material in class there seemed to be an abundant amount of data regarding percenteges from M to F M to M across culture, from parent to child, even information on risks to and from health care providers but nothing significant about F to F transmission of HIV. The resources and information will prove to be very useful to me in further papers and research and i am grateful for the assistance.
Be safe and smile...and happy holidays to E/everyone

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RE: researching HIV - 12/22/2006 1:37:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Voltare

Sassy - 'common sense' fifteen years ago suggested that you could get AIDS by kissing or using a public drinking fountain or toilet.  The odds of a woman getting HIV through oral sex with another woman are still less than getting struck by lightning.


 
 
 
When I was 17 I had an incident with a Lightning strike.I know about statistics.
I am merely pointing out that the POSSIBILITY is there.
To say there is little chance may be correct to discount completely your playing with fire.
To think just because someone is a Lesbian that you cant get HIV/AIDS or some other STD is closed minded.Even if that Woman has never been with a man.Drug use is huge contributer to the HIV epidemic.
 
To put it simply "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure".
In some cases there is no cure so Isn't it  better to "be safe than sorry"?

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RE: researching HIV - 12/22/2006 1:47:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MistressSassy66

quote:

ORIGINAL: Voltare

Sassy - 'common sense' fifteen years ago suggested that you could get AIDS by kissing or using a public drinking fountain or toilet.  The odds of a woman getting HIV through oral sex with another woman are still less than getting struck by lightning.


 
 
 
When I was 17 I had an incident with a Lightning strike.I know about statistics.
I am merely pointing out that the POSSIBILITY is there.
To say there is little chance may be correct to discount completely your playing with fire.
To think just because someone is a Lesbian that you cant get HIV/AIDS or some other STD is closed minded.Even if that Woman has never been with a man.Drug use is huge contributer to the HIV epidemic.
 
To put it simply "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure".
In some cases there is no cure so Isn't it  better to "be safe than sorry"?


I coulda sworn I said something like that.....

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I'm not suggesting it's impossible - clearly it is.  A woman who is menstruating, or has a bleeding wound is capable of passing the disease on to a woman with an open sore or cut on her mouth, or in any setting where blood or vaginal secretions are exchanged.  The issue, though, is one of probability and the potential social damage done by over exaggerating risks of any behavior.  If it's really lives you're intent on saving, you'd be better off advocating the use of seatbelts for women - more die unnaturally of car crashes than any other cause; breast cancer certainly looms much higher in real risks as well.


My point is that hysterics don't help anyone.



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RE: researching HIV - 12/22/2006 2:18:12 PM   
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Typically stats on F/f behavior are poorly collected, ill-defined, funded poorly, and people are known to report inconsistently on anything regarding same-sex behavior.  You can get stats, but to cling to those stats and say "less likely than a lightning strike" is meaningless if you are talking about how you should conduct yourself with your lesbian-bar hookup to stay safe.

Medical studies on women tend to be second rate, medical studies on lesbians, third-rate. It's the money.


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