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Shaking - 2/19/2005 9:45:10 PM

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Last night I was involved in a scene with Ma'am that involved some very intense scratching. During the scene I began to shake quite violently, similar to what would happen if you were freezing cold, only more so. This went on for the remainder of the scene. This has happened before, but never so intensely and for such a long duration. I was just wondering if anybody could tell me what causes this?

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RE: Shaking - 2/19/2005 11:11:51 PM

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I don't really know enough to say - what precipitated it - what was going on in addition to the scratching. My first immediate guesses would be shaking that results from intense prolonged physical stimulation. And shaking that had some sort of emotionally cathartic trigger that caused it. My question is DID you feel cold? A drop in blood sugar can cause this. Hyperventilation can cause this. Were you feeling anything else (light headed or dizzy?).

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RE: Shaking - 2/19/2005 11:37:43 PM

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Adrenaline can easily cause that kind of reaction, especially if it was in responce to an intense situation.

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RE: Shaking - 2/19/2005 11:45:05 PM

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Last night I was involved in a scene with Ma'am that involved some very intense scratching. During the scene I began to shake quite violently, similar to what would happen if you were freezing cold, only more so. This went on for the remainder of the scene. This has happened before, but never so intensely and for such a long duration. I was just wondering if anybody could tell me what causes this?

You're going into a state of shock, that's what most heavy scenes do. The intense overflow of endorphins and adrenalines put your body in a high stress state. Some people throw up or pass out, some get hot and sweaty, some get freezing cold.

Learn how to manage it by going slower into that state, be sure to drink lots of water, and take some breaks if you need them. As long as you don't have heart or blood pressure problems, its not much of a health risk.

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RE: Shaking - 2/19/2005 11:49:58 PM

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Thank you EmeraldSlave. I experience this reaction as well and just though that I was odd. Now I know what is happening.
The other thing that I do is wrap up in a blanket and eat yogurt after a session. It's a comfort thing (I think) and it also helps with the shaking.

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RE: Shaking - 2/19/2005 11:52:04 PM

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Drinking Gatoraide and eating peanuts will also stop the reaction.

If you believe in the metaphysical parts of this, then you lost your "center" and your energy got scattered. Eating and drinking the gatoraide will force your body to refocus on itself and the reaction will go away. It's called "grounding" and won't hurt at all.

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RE: Shaking - 2/19/2005 11:59:28 PM

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I am very familiar with both the idea of center and energy and grounding. That is a very good point and I had never thought of it in that way. Maybe that's why feeling warm, safe, and happy through familiar means (blanket and yogurt) helps me recover.

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RE: Shaking - 2/20/2005 12:07:51 AM

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ORIGINAL: EmeraldSlave2

You're going into a state of shock, that's what most heavy scenes do.

Exactly what kind of shock is he going into?

Hypovolemic? Only if those were *very* deep scratches!
Anaphylacic? No.
Metabolic? No.
Cardiogenic? Nope.
Septic? I hope not!
Neurogenic? No.
Psychogenic? Possibly, probably not. It's not really even shock, but more often called a "shock-like condition." Laypersons call it "fainting."

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The intense overflow of endorphins and adrenalines put your body in a high stress state. Some people throw up or pass out, some get hot and sweaty, some get freezing cold.

Those are all symptoms of a large release of adrenaline. It's the same feeling when the 'fight or flight' mechanism is triggered.

A physiological response to stress != shock.

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RE: Shaking - 2/20/2005 1:49:02 AM

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I've experienced the same thing. Some of it was probably out of nervousness because it was worse when I didn't know what to expect or was trying something new. But I think mainly I was just cold. Getting under a blanket really seemed to help, though at the time I didn't feel cold at all or have goosebumps. I think what happens is your mind gets so focused on the intense physical/psychological pleasure you're experiencing that it's hard to realize that you're cold. Either way, a fuzzy warm blanket it just nice

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RE: Shaking - 2/20/2005 2:03:14 AM

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Adrenaline can easily cause that kind of reaction, especially if it was in responce to an intense situation.

All that adrenaline is telling your muscles to MOVE. But your body is just laying or standing there... so the muscles, primed with all that 'go juice' start to twitch on their own. Is that the basic scenario?

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RE: Shaking - 2/20/2005 2:31:26 AM

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Scratching and biting was the total extent of the scene. I'd had him in a humbler earlier, but by the point we started playing, he was out of it. He'd eaten a meal prior to playing (not too close to the time we played.. about three hours) and had snacked lightly (cookie and a few carrot sticks) about an hour before we played. He also ate lightly about 15 mins after the scene (cookies and carrot sticks again) and then more substantially (burrito) about an hour and a half later.

He was not cold to the touch, and when I asked him, he felt fine. He wasn't hyperventilating. He remained hydrated throughout the scene. He did feel light headed about an hour after the scene and the light headedness lasted until about 11 AM this morning. (about 10 hours) He had a mild headache after the lightheadedness was gone that was easily taken care of by some aspirin.

I wasn't using a psychological aspect to the scene, so I don't believe it was catharsis. We had watched a great fireplay demo before playing, but I don't think that affected his mental state. The last vict.. er, volunteer of the demo was a femsub, and he can have a problem if he thinks they're being hurt beyond what they've agreed to, but that wasn't the case here, so I don't think he was distressed.

He felt he wasn't in an altered state either during the scene or after (which I disagree with; he couldn't screw a lid on a bottle..) He'd not really noticed the shaking until I called a newbie sub over and let him touch my sub so he could see what physiological reactions can happen in a scene. Once he became aware of it, it fascinated him. We discussed it on the way home and my answer was the same as sfgirl. The body thinks someone is trying to kill you and gears up for quick action. (adrenalin release) Since the action doesn't happen, you end up with overload.

I'd encouraged him to do his own research on finding out why. I believe that subs should be as safety aware as a Dominant. I don't expect to ever mess up, but if I do something bonehead, I want him to go, 'scuse me Ma'am.. you may want to reconsider standing in that puddle of water while applying the violet wand to my penis. I do believe knowledge is power. He has been a bit shy about posting to the forums. I've had to drag him kicking and screaming to get him in here. I'm so proud of him that he actually asked a question!

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RE: Shaking - 2/20/2005 4:58:22 AM

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Yep, sounds like adrenalin overload to me too. Been there, done that. It's sort of like how I react after, for example, a car accident - all that adrenalin still coursing through my veins makes me physically shake, sometimes for quite awhile after the cause of it has gone away. I've not found a really effective way to deal with it, other than let it run it's course.

FWIW, this rarely happens to me anymore, but did a lot more when I was new. My body has probably gotten used to it, and doesn't do quite as much of an adrenalin dump as it used to.

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RE: Shaking - 2/20/2005 5:30:37 AM

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i'm not sure what this was, but did she check in with you to make sure you were OK? and if this was a public scene, where were the DM's?

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RE: Shaking - 2/20/2005 8:19:22 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: onceburned

All that adrenaline is telling your muscles to MOVE. But your body is just laying or standing there... so the muscles, primed with all that 'go juice' start to twitch on their own. Is that the basic scenario?

More or less, yes.

The flood of adrenaline (initiated by a release or norepinepherine from the brain stem) causes a bunch of physiological changes. There are increases in respiration, heart rate and blood pressure as the body shunts blood from the surface area and digestive system to the larger muscle groups, heart/lung systems and some sections of the brain. The blood thickens to provide better transport for platelets and red and white blood cells to possible injury sites. Blood sugar level increases to provide the muscles with more readily available fuel.

If there is no 'fight or flight' after this response has been triggered, it can cause all kinds of physical manifestations. Shaking, nausea, intense hunger or thirst, talkitiveness, depression. Everyone reacts differently.

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RE: Shaking - 2/20/2005 9:05:22 AM

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i'm not sure what this was, but did she check in with you to make sure you were OK? and if this was a public scene, where were the DM's?

Yes, it was a public scene. If you'd bothered to read the whole thread, you'd know he was well monitored. And a DM doesn't bother regular scenes, only dangerous ones. When you have more experience, you'll realize that nothing discussed was at the dangerous level.

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RE: Shaking - 2/20/2005 9:54:56 AM

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i have been shaking lately too while still up on the cross. never used to happen but has now the last two times. i didn't think it was anything peculiar as they were both intense and full of new things...

the only other times i have shaken were in great emotional periods. closing my biggest deal ever, close calls with death, are two times i can remember clearly shaking uncontrollably. though shaking enscene never occurred to me to be related but i geuss if it is the release of endorphin's then it makes sence.

i am learning from this thread too so thank you for asking the question and thank you to all who answered.

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RE: Shaking - 2/20/2005 7:15:12 PM

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The body can only take so much for so long. What positions where you in during this session. Having various joints bent and having on tight bondage does cause lack of blood flow to extremities. Then you have adrinelin that keeps your heart rate up. You also have endorphines that kick in after taking so much. Muscle spasims can always happen as well as cramps can kick in at anytime. Depeding on how long the session goes, hydration and food fuel can effect your body and blood sugar. Also, Blood Pressure does play a role when going in and out of relaxed states causeing you to feel faint and light headed.

As for acctual REAL SHOCK, don't worry. You are not experiencing that. You wouldn't have made this post so soon if your body went into shock.

Best advice I can give you is to research sub space and after care with your Ma'am. Pre and after care treatments are always good things to consider.

On a good note, the shakes you had is not unhealthy as long as you have time and a little TLC to recoperate.

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RE: Shaking - 2/20/2005 8:05:04 PM

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the only other times i have shaken were in great emotional periods. closing my biggest deal ever, close calls with death, are two times i can remember clearly shaking uncontrollably. though shaking enscene never occurred to me to be related but i geuss if it is the release of endorphin's then it makes sence.

i have been shakey in the past after an intense scene, but the worst ever was from just *watching* another scene. Anyone else wouldn't have thought twice about this scene but it set off a huge trigger in me and i was shaking like a leaf, no way i could have driven or typed or anything. So, it seems like shaking can take place after great emotions, also.

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RE: Shaking - 2/20/2005 10:27:17 PM

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ORIGINAL: NATI

I don't really know enough to say - what precipitated it - what was going on in addition to the scratching. My first immediate guesses would be shaking that results from intense prolonged physical stimulation. And shaking that had some sort of emotionally cathartic trigger that caused it. My question is DID you feel cold?

Before the scratching we did some light play, mild CBT. As far as triggers go, intense scratching usually sends me into subspace, this was just the first time I had such a strong shaking reaction. I did not feel cold, but the reaction was the same.

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ORIGINAL: sfgrrl

Adrenaline can easily cause that kind of reaction, especially if it was in responce to an intense situation.

~stef

That was Ma'am's theory as well, but we thought it would be interesting to get some other thoughts on the topic.

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ORIGINAL: NoPinkBalloons
FWIW, this rarely happens to me anymore, but did a lot more when I was new. My body has probably gotten used to it, and doesn't do quite as much of an adrenalin dump as it used to.

I hope my body does not adapt too much. I liked the sensation. And more importantly, Ma'am liked it.

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ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet
Best advice I can give you is to research sub space and after care with your Ma'am. Pre and after care treatments are always good things to consider.

I had previously read about subspace, but had only read about mental aspects, going to another place, with endorphins and all, and never considered the other side of the coin. And we always do plenty of after care. *Likes after care*

I would just liketo thank everyone for their response. It is nice to be part of such a caring responsive community.

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RE: Shaking - 2/21/2005 8:59:36 AM

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BeachMystress,

Do you feel better for putting me down now?

Your right i did not read the entire thread. i was responding to the original question.

As far as DM's .... where i come from they monitor the ENTIRE dungon, hence the name "Dungon Monitor", not "dangerious scene monitor". It is their call whether the scene is dangerious or breaking rules (like penitration ~ which does not present any obvious harm, just a rule breaker in some cases)
There a girl in our group who's claim to fame is that she plays hard. At the BR convention she was upset becasuse the DM's "rushed" in on her. This was their call, they are there to protect the sub, and the group from legal liabilties as well. if some one would sue our group, the member s of the board could be held responsible over what the insurance didn't cover.

i wish you well

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