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RE: Alleged Gorean "Master" Convicted of Atte... - 6/18/2007 9:22:09 AM

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In situations like this, Goreans are in exactly the same boat that I've seen gay people, polyamorous folks and Paganfolks in.

See news headlines that a crazy fundamentalist Christian ax murdered his wife and kids because God, Jesus and the Holy Virgin Mary told him to do it, and everyone clearly understands that you have a mentally sick individual who would not exactly be considered the pillar of his local church community.

See news headlines that a (insert your favorite sexual or religious minority group here) did something horrible, and immediately the public perception is that "Goreans are insane murderers" or "Gays are rapists" or "Polyamorous people are all crazy and try to kill each other" or "Pagans are evil devil worshippers". Never mind that the entire rest of their culture is equally horrified if not more so.

Fact is that all cultures, religious, sexual preferences and ethnic groups, bar none, have some lunatic fringe members. The public perception of those cultures will obviously be influenced by those lunatic fringe members, unfortunately in most cases more so than by anything positive that culture achieves to enrich people's lives.

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RE: Alleged Gorean "Master" Convicted of Atte... - 6/18/2007 9:25:06 AM

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Does it not occur to anyone that anyone can find anyone on the net or with a phone book ? It was all a matter of public record , i have sussed out various ways of gleaning the information. . . . . from trial transcripts to newspaper editors to press agents! i was found within hours of it all happening. . . . . Nowt new there ! Anyways things arent always what they seem. . . .

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RE: Alleged Gorean "Master" Convicted of Atte... - 6/18/2007 9:33:40 AM

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SQ,

Thank you for the enlightenment you've brought to this discussion.

Regards,

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RE: Alleged Gorean "Master" Convicted of Atte... - 6/18/2007 3:44:53 PM

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In situations like this, Goreans are in exactly the same boat that I've seen gay people, polyamorous folks and Paganfolks in.

See news headlines that a crazy fundamentalist Christian ax murdered his wife and kids because God, Jesus and the Holy Virgin Mary told him to do it, and everyone clearly understands that you have a mentally sick individual who would not exactly be considered the pillar of his local church community.

See news headlines that a (insert your favorite sexual or religious minority group here) did something horrible, and immediately the public perception is that "Goreans are insane murderers" or "Gays are rapists" or "Polyamorous people are all crazy and try to kill each other" or "Pagans are evil devil worshippers". Never mind that the entire rest of their culture is equally horrified if not more so.

Fact is that all cultures, religious, sexual preferences and ethnic groups, bar none, have some lunatic fringe members. The public perception of those cultures will obviously be influenced by those lunatic fringe members, unfortunately in most cases more so than by anything positive that culture achieves to enrich people's lives.

Greetings Naja,

Thanks for the reality based post on this thread. This seems to me to be the current scenario: "People do bad things - look at their bookshelves/magazines/internet sites and determine who and what they are - then blame that group"

Like you said, there is a fruitcake fringe in every group. Thanks for stating it so plainly.

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RE: Alleged Gorean "Master" Convicted of Atte... - 6/18/2007 5:54:22 PM

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Nearly forgot to add - from an outsider's perspective, this article could quite easily translate to*everyone* in the BDSM community being seen as a criminally insane or mentally ill rapist, kidnapper, torturer, killer, etc. When a publically kinky person does bad things, it looks to the outside world like all kinky people do bad things. Never mind that the person who did the bad things was directly violating our community ideals about consensuality and safety. If they did horrible enough things to make the news, then congratulations, they're our new public representatives. Never mind ILM and titleholders, there you go.

There's some remarkably fucked up people in all walks of life identifying with all kinds of lifestyles, racial or ethnic groups, religions, hobbies, sports team fandom, you name it. It is a statistical likelihood that someday you will have the bad luck to have someone who shares some publically known aspect of your life ending up in the news because they did something horrible, and then you'll have the fun of explaining to your neighbors that not all (insert your group identification here) are criminal lunatics while they look at you skeptically and back away slowly to slam their doors shut.

And won't that be fun. Goreans tend to get the short end of the stick rather a lot since there's a fairly large population of idiots attracted to the extreme philosophy who are entirely unsuited to living it with any sort of self-discipline or decorum. There's also some decent folks who do a pretty good job of appreciating and living a more "primitive" warrior's code that was described in the Gor novels, and in slightly more credible philosophic works on which the novels were largely cribbed, and which has really very little to do with kink or slavery. Whether you agree with their philosophies or not (I assuredly don't), it's fairly obvious that they are not the offenders. The lunatic fringe is. Whatever banner the individual lunatic happens to be waving when they did the crazy thing is where the blame goes, and the sane end of that community has no control over the lunatic's claims.

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RE: Alleged Gorean "Master" Convicted of Atte... - 7/17/2007 1:45:16 AM

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btw . . . . i am happily vanilla bordering getting back in to the lifestyle.. . i think i deserve to step back a little . . . .

I wish you well

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RE: Alleged Gorean "Master" Convicted of Atte... - 7/18/2007 6:05:08 AM

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btw . . . . i am happily vanilla bordering getting back in to the lifestyle.. . i think i deserve to step back a little . . . .

Huh. That was fast. 7/18 has you owned again in your profile. To each his/her own, I suppose.

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RE: Alleged Gorean "Master" Convicted of Atte... - 7/18/2007 6:08:50 AM

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some people just take things a bit too far. for crying out loud...Gor is a fictional book.

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RE: Alleged Gorean "Master" Convicted of Atte... - 7/18/2007 7:48:56 AM

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So is Playboy...

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RE: Alleged Gorean "Master" Convicted of Atte... - 7/18/2007 8:09:16 AM

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And this is what happens when people can't tell the difference between reality and a series of science fiction books...

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RE: Alleged Gorean "Master" Convicted of Atte... - 7/25/2007 2:00:39 PM

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That was me . . . the story hit the press 3 times in the same year, the first in March when it happened , then in October for the trial and then sentencing was in December all in 2006. . .any questions?

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RE: Alleged Gorean "Master" Convicted of Atte... - 7/25/2007 2:02:49 PM

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Playboy is a work of fiction?

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RE: Alleged Gorean "Master" Convicted of Atte... - 7/25/2007 2:03:42 PM

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have you done a spread in playboy? Id buy that fucker

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RE: Alleged Gorean "Master" Convicted of Atte... - 7/26/2007 8:18:34 AM

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Ron, I thought you had a subscription to playboy?

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RE: Alleged Gorean "Master" Convicted of Atte... - 7/26/2007 8:51:54 AM

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No, but I am a playboy

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RE: Alleged Gorean "Master" Convicted of Atte... - 11/5/2007 1:59:00 PM

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The poor woman...

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RE: Alleged Gorean "Master" Convicted of Atte... - 11/5/2007 2:13:44 PM

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The 'poor woman's profile seems to have disappeared - shocking.

Edited to add: I'm not suggesting that the crime wasn't terrible, but either the poster claiming to be the victim is a poser who wants attention, or her silly 'yes, that's me' posts are doing nothing to show she would have good judgment.

I don't blame the victim, what the nutjob 'master' did was wrong. Before you get involved with anyone, vanilla or kinky, try to make sure they're not a psychopath, k? That usually takes more than a few months IRL. 'Nuff said.

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RE: Alleged Gorean "Master" Convicted of Atte... - 11/5/2007 2:21:31 PM

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Yes, well, I imagine something like attempted murder would tend to put you off ...

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RE: Alleged Gorean "Master" Convicted of Atte... - 11/5/2007 2:42:15 PM

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All I can add to this is.. subs, beware Any 40 year old man with a sword collection who's still living with his mother.

That right there should have been enough to warn her that something wasn't kosher. Any man of that age worthy of the title 'Master' will have made it on his own and be able to provide for himself and the one he chooses to wear his collar, especially since he claimed to be Gorean. Granted, I'm not very familiar with that scene, but from my readings, a Gorean Man wouldn't still be living with mamma at his age.

Of course, this is all simply my opinion, and worth about as much as the paper it's printed on. Oh wait, this isn't on paper *chuckles*. Guess it carries even less value then. But really, it's buyer beware out there in the big, cold world and you have to learn to look for the little things that just aren't right... like a man who claims to be a Man but can't back it up.

Raivin

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RE: Alleged Gorean "Master" Convicted of Atte... - 11/6/2007 7:58:56 AM

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greetings bipolarber,

<shakes head>bumped it up huh,after 4 months of laying dormat...

this action speaks for itself truly

and its already been established the Man was not gorean

but that doesn't support your purpose of bumping the thread back up
since you were moderated out of that part of the forums.

You know any kind of obsession is unhealty.

none of us have been bothering you, thinking about you, ......yet .........

hmmmmmmmm......

sort of mind boggling to say the least that you so wish to portray goreans in a bad light

really makes on wonder on the freudian 'slip' of things

well wishes

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The poor woman...

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