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FangsNfeet -> RE: Question for the Brits, and those that wish they were. (1/6/2007 12:22:10 PM)
It's interesting to see how people fought for freedom and other threw kings so that they may make decisions for themselves. Less than a few generations later, society seems to be having difficulty making it's own decions. "Is a candy bar, milk shake, double cheese burger, and fries good for my health? It must be since the FDA allows me to eat it." As we can now see, people are begging and demanding to have authority tell them who to trust and what to do. I see more attitude "Fuck freedom, I need you to make sure I'm doing what's best for me." And less "It's my money and my life and I don't need anyone to tell me what to do with it."

sleazy -> RE: Question for the Brits, and those that wish they were. (1/6/2007 12:22:24 PM)
Needtouseyou, you have pretty much hit it on the head, the problem is not the advertising, banning an advert for Mctucky Kinghut, will not stop the queues of families stood there waiting for their boxed meals with a cheap plastic trinket. Just one month ago TV was flooded with attempts to make my kids want the latest "in" toy. At the end of the day under the tree were the gifts I chose to get them. Advertising directed at them made no difference to what they got, because I am the one that makes the final desicion, I am the one with plastic in my wallet. The issue is not one of obesity, advertising or gullibilty, but one of education, and parental responsibilities. Any parent that is so gullible/stupid as to feed their kids so much rubbish as to be a danger to health, well maybe its about time somebody dumped a bucket of chlorine in the gene pool, and if cholestorol is a way of achieving this then so be it.

NorthernGent -> RE: Question for the Brits, and those that wish they were. (1/6/2007 12:37:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet It's interesting to see how people fought for freedom and other threw kings so that they may make decisions for themselves. Less than a few generations later, society seems to be having difficulty making it's own decions. "Is a candy bar, milk shake, double cheese burger, and fries good for my health? It must be since the FDA allows me to eat it." As we can now see, people are begging and demanding to have authority tell them who to trust and what to do. I see more attitude "Fuck freedom, I need you to make sure I'm doing what's best for me." And less "It's my money and my life and I don't need anyone to tell me what to do with it." Fangs, point me to a post where someone is doing the above in bold. It's the regulation of information given to kids. Based on the your post above, do you believe an 8 year old kid should have access to porn over the internet or porn from a shop? or do you believe this is also begging for authority to tell people what to do. Blatantly, it is not. It is the protection of kids from profiteering at the expense of health. Everyone on this board supports some form of government intrusion in their lives. I take it US schools are funded by tax payers money. The curriculum is set by civil servants working for the government. Thus, the government has always been in your lives. It is completely incorrect for any person to think they're self-suffcient unless you're living in a hole in the ground. On the submissive to the government point: members of the government are our servants, maybe some people think they haven't got what it takes to get our servants under control (and thus prefer to fantasise that the government does not get involved in our lives)?

sleazy -> RE: Question for the Brits, and those that wish they were. (1/6/2007 12:48:13 PM)
Question.... In what way does pornography hurt children? If pornography is harmful to children then based on my time in Holland all the kids there should be emotionally scarred gibbering wrecks. It is not the pornography/food/anything else that is harmful, it is how whatever the issue at hand interacts with the individual and society in general

missturbation -> RE: Question for the Brits, and those that wish they were. (1/6/2007 12:53:23 PM)
Question.... In what way does pornography hurt children? If pornography is harmful to children then based on my time in Holland all the kids there should be emotionally scarred gibbering wrecks. It is not the pornography/food/anything else that is harmful, it is how whatever the issue at hand interacts with the individual and society in general Opening a can of worms springs to mind here. I personally don't want my unmentionable viewing hard porn but not neccesarily because i think it will harm her, more because i dont think its suitable images for a 14 year old to see. I also have a feeling that u may just have overstepped the cm rules on unmentionables and this may be pulled.

juliaoceania -> RE: Question for the Brits, and those that wish they were. (1/6/2007 12:56:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sleazy Question.... In what way does pornography hurt children? If pornography is harmful to children then based on my time in Holland all the kids there should be emotionally scarred gibbering wrecks. It is not the pornography/food/anything else that is harmful, it is how whatever the issue at hand interacts with the individual and society in general People in Holland get to decide what is acceptable for them, we get to decide what is acceptable for us. Example, I am sure even in Holland it is illegal to perform sex acts in public on the street in front of a school. Now some people may whine that this is infringing on their reproductive rights, most people have common sense enough to know that there are limits to personal freedom. Every society must decide which ways they will curb personal liberty. You know in India people shit on the sidewalks infront of anyone and everyone, they kneel down and shit on the street, do you think that is appropriate in your neighborhood?

meatcleaver -> RE: Question for the Brits, and those that wish they were. (1/6/2007 1:22:12 PM)
The majority of children in Holland as far as I can tell (my daughter is educated here) are very adult about sex and drugs for that matter. My daughter walks past several sex shops and even stops and chats and jokes to the owners of the local fetish store on her way to and from school (she lives in the centre of the city). She can also watch porn on TV whenever she wants but she and most of her friends don't seem interested, it appears to be as boring wallpaper to them. It's the foreigners and the immigrants that seem to have the problem and many Dutch are bemused by their behaviour. The country isn't problem free but it appears to have less problems amongst the indigenous population than most countries I know.

juliaoceania -> RE: Question for the Brits, and those that wish they were. (1/6/2007 1:29:24 PM)
My point is that even the Dutch have laws regulating public behavior, every culture in the world has some sort of social mores that they insist others follow, they differ from one place to another is all.

NorthernGent -> RE: Question for the Brits, and those that wish they were. (1/6/2007 1:29:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sleazy Question.... In what way does pornography hurt children? In my opinion, an 8 year old kid is not at the stage of development to process and form opinions from watching graphic sex acts. I am all for sex education (i.e. controlled sex education via teachers and parents) from an early age - perhaps 13. But, an 8 year old watching porn? I can't see any argument for this but based on your comment I take it you disagree with me?

meatcleaver -> RE: Question for the Brits, and those that wish they were. (1/6/2007 1:35:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania My point is that even the Dutch have laws regulating public behavior, every culture in the world has some sort of social mores that they insist others follow, they differ from one place to another is all. Sorry JO, I shouldn't have made a quick reply. I meant to back up sleazy's point about pornography. It's so available here you can't really hide it from children, especially in the city but they don't seem to notice it, it is just something in the background.

akbarbarian -> RE: Question for the Brits, and those that wish they were. (1/6/2007 1:36:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent In my opinion, an 8 year old kid is not at the stage of development to process and form opinions from watching graphic sex acts. I suspect what scares people more is being afraid they are capable of processing and forming opinions. I know I did on some things, and on others I simply went "what the???" and shrugged it off like I might have anything else I didn't relate to. I wasn't just pervy as an adult you know...

sleazy -> RE: Question for the Brits, and those that wish they were. (1/6/2007 3:13:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation Question.... In what way does pornography hurt children? If pornography is harmful to children then based on my time in Holland all the kids there should be emotionally scarred gibbering wrecks. It is not the pornography/food/anything else that is harmful, it is how whatever the issue at hand interacts with the individual and society in general Opening a can of worms springs to mind here. I personally don't want my unmentionable viewing hard porn but not neccesarily because i think it will harm her, more because i dont think its suitable images for a 14 year old to see. I also have a feeling that u may just have overstepped the cm rules on unmentionables and this may be pulled. Apologies, I was forgetting the restrictions. Just to avoid fanning the flames I shall not comment further on this particular sub-thread in open forum, but anyone who wishes to argue a case feel free to contact me by other methods.

NeedToUseYou -> RE: Question for the Brits, and those that wish they were. (1/7/2007 1:59:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou Cheese LOL.ummm, LOL. okay stop laughing. hehehe. Is this a joke, common it must be , banning cheese. Heil Hitler. LOL. okay compose self and type. 1, 2, 3.... Read the article and you'll see there is no banning of cheese. You will find there is the banning of the advertisement of fatty foods at children's television times (I'm guessing bewteen 4 an 6 on a week day and possibly Saturday and Sunday morning). We have a real obesity issue in this country, this is an attempt to reduce it. Problem? Yeah, I sorta understood, that. If you read what I wrote in regards to information restriction it would be evident. The Intro to my post was tongue in cheek. HRMMM, thought that was obvious as well. Anyway, Thanks.

seeksfemslave -> RE: Question for the Brits, and those that wish they were. (1/7/2007 3:49:21 AM)
quote: You know in India people shit on the sidewalks in front of anyone and everyone, they kneel down and shit on the street, do you think that is appropriate in your neighborhood? I thought they only did it in the main railway stations, not clear why tho'. If the attitude expressed in the quote its based only on rejection of minority behaviour patterns then it sounds like discrimination to me. I am definately against that, discrimination I mean. A few cows on the motorways would help prevent accidents and reduce carbon emissions.

NorthernGent -> RE: Question for the Brits, and those that wish they were. (1/7/2007 4:09:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: akbarbarian quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent In my opinion, an 8 year old kid is not at the stage of development to process and form opinions from watching graphic sex acts. I suspect what scares people more is being afraid they are capable of processing and forming opinions. I know I did on some things, and on others I simply went "what the???" and shrugged it off like I might have anything else I didn't relate to. I wasn't just pervy as an adult you know... I'm just thinking back to when I was pre 13 years old and thinking did I need to see a big hairy bloke going at his woman like a train? The answer is, no. When I was 8, I needed basic education and learning social skills. Are there really 8 years old kids out there who will benefit from watching porn?

meatcleaver -> RE: Question for the Brits, and those that wish they were. (1/7/2007 4:26:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent I'm just thinking back to when I was pre 13 years old and thinking did I need to see a big hairy bloke going at his woman like a train? The answer is, no. When I was 8, I needed basic education and learning social skills. Are there really 8 years old kids out there who will benefit from watching porn? I doubt watching porn as an unmentionable would be beneficial but hiding sex from them is more about adult embarrassment than protecting unmentionables. If sex or porn for that matter is there in the general background noise, unmentionables would be pretty blaise about it. Umentionable is being used in hope this thread isn't pulled.

seeksfemslave -> RE: Question for the Brits, and those that wish they were. (1/7/2007 4:45:46 AM)
If you watch some of the sex education programmes broadcast for schools the content is very close to porn. All about odd sexual practices and same sex requirements etc. Not sure if it is necessary to take a practical, but if not no doubt it soon will be. As Albert Steptoe said: it wont be long before homosexuality is compulsary.

NorthernGent -> RE: Question for the Brits, and those that wish they were. (1/7/2007 5:08:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent I'm just thinking back to when I was pre 13 years old and thinking did I need to see a big hairy bloke going at his woman like a train? The answer is, no. When I was 8, I needed basic education and learning social skills. Are there really 8 years old kids out there who will benefit from watching porn? I doubt watching porn as an unmentionable would be beneficial but hiding sex from them is more about adult embarrassment than protecting unmentionables. If sex or porn for that matter is there in the general background noise, unmentionables would be pretty blaise about it. Umentionable is being used in hope this thread isn't pulled. I think we're talking different age groups here. To be specific, I'm in full agreement with controlled sex education (i.e. from teachers and parents) from 13 years old onwards as I believe it will help reduce teenage pregnancy.

seeksfemslave -> RE: Question for the Brits, and those that wish they were. (1/7/2007 7:04:23 AM)
You mean NG 25 different uses for a dildo or why do some men spend so much time in public toilets, or they did when there were any toilets to spend time in. No sorry my mistake, that dilemma will probably crop up in a social science class. Or how to claim housing benefit when you get yourself pregnant. and have no means of support. Chlamydia is NOT a posh girls name you know.

missturbation -> RE: Question for the Brits, and those that wish they were. (1/7/2007 7:21:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave If you watch some of the sex education programmes broadcast for schools the content is very close to porn. All about odd sexual practices and same sex requirements etc. I'm actually quite surprised to find you are from the U.k. I worked in schools for quite a while and sat through several sex education lessons which are now taught at age 11. In general the topic is covered in a science lesson and is very scientifically orientated. I cannot see how you can link a school sex education lesson to anywhere near resembling porn. Homosexuality is skimmed over as though it is some dirty word and odd sexual practices are not mentioned. The lessons are still taught as more of a 'how humans reproduce' kind of thing and dont really go into that much the emotions and pleasures of sex. Of course every teacher teaches differently and some concentrate on the emotional side of sex more than others. Not sure if it is necessary to take a practical, but if not no doubt it soon will be. Yeah right in Britian - i think not. We are so conservative in our sexual views still. The general feeling is its still wrong to talk about sex, its a taboo subject. They still write letters home when sex education is about to come up in the curriculum and you can still remove your child from those lessons. Why? Is this not something that is an important part of our childrens education? Many parents struggle to teach their children these things here and the amount of people who still use 'the birds and the bees' to discuss sex. Britian needs to lighten up in general about these things, the more information out there the more informed our childrens choices can be when it comes to sex. As Albert Steptoe said: it wont be long before homosexuality is compulsary. Not sure how this was meant but i think homosexuality, bisexuality should be included in sex education.

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