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Are we gaining? - 1/7/2007 7:15:42 AM   
WyrdRich


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        We made it down the hill yesterday for a lecture and rope bondage demo, and arrived early enough to sit in on the SM 101 class.  We went around the room, first name, orientation, doing this for how long, and better than half those present ID'd as Switches!


     It's far from scientific.  Most are new to this and might be unsure of where they fit.  But more than half?

       Are we eroding the negative attitudes?
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RE: Are we gaining? - 1/7/2007 7:52:09 AM   
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I hope so! I truly truly do. I have noticed in the personals section that when I look under "switches" a lot more profiles seem to be popping up.

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RE: Are we gaining? - 1/7/2007 10:25:42 AM   
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10 years ago at APEX, they did a show of hands one night and 80% were estimated to have raised their hands.

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RE: Are we gaining? - 1/7/2007 10:42:06 AM   
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that would be nice

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RE: Are we gaining? - 1/7/2007 3:23:05 PM   
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Of course, that still doesnt explain why this board is so darn dead all the time....

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RE: Are we gaining? - 1/7/2007 3:31:29 PM   
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Because switches are a phenomenally boring crowd that is best left to sleep off their exertions of clicking on the link to this board?

Just throwing it out there.....

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RE: Are we gaining? - 1/7/2007 4:59:49 PM   
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now how is that being a good dog benji?.....

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RE: Are we gaining? - 1/7/2007 5:01:05 PM   
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Because it's in my name.....?

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PS:  Names never lie, just like TVs and the National Enquirer.

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RE: Are we gaining? - 1/7/2007 5:59:35 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lorelei115

Of course, that still doesnt explain why this board is so darn dead all the time....



     Simple.  Switches aren't hung up on what others may think of them.  We don't get into flame-wars with each other over who is more 'twue.'

     Also, a lot of things we want to know are better covered in other forums.

      

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RE: Are we gaining? - 1/8/2007 4:00:51 AM   
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this one could not help but too smile at the post  but although i am new to the lifestyle and notice *labels* switch**top*bottom*sideways even ? (smiles again ) do we have a popular poll ? and one wonders if Tony Blair is a *switch * humm now there is a tought

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RE: Are we gaining? - 1/8/2007 6:12:25 AM   
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what are peoples definition of switch?
is it the same the same? 

do the new cummers to play just want it all?
laughs to self here.........ill do you if you do me  sorry my sense of humour.......giggles

do they mean they do bottom and top?
or do they mean they will sub for thier sub?
makes me wonder what switch truely means.........

*ponders on that one*

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RE: Are we gaining? - 1/9/2007 1:42:39 PM   
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The definition of 'switch' differs with each individual and how it applies in their life.

If the 'you do me, and I'll do you' works for some, then great!
If you have a problem with topping your Top, but have no problem topping someone else, then kudos to you!

Everyone interprets things differently and then apply it accordingly.

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RE: Are we gaining? - 2/21/2007 2:06:44 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: mshamble

what are peoples definition of switch?
is it the same the same? 

do the new cummers to play just want it all?
laughs to self here.........ill do you if you do me  sorry my sense of humour.......giggles

do they mean they do bottom and top?
or do they mean they will sub for thier sub?
makes me wonder what switch truely means.........

*ponders on that one*


I agree with MsPoetress on the differing definitions of switching, and how everyone has their own interpretation.  Since you asked so nicely, for me it's about finding a girl who I can treat as an equal, who wants to explore the lifestyle from both sides with me and see where we fit. 

I'm personally looking for a monogamous relationship (no problem with those who are  poly; I just can't do that, myself), and to be complete, I want to be able to express both my Dom and subbie fantasies.  So, I suppose I am a newcomer who just wants it all :)


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RE: Are we gaining? - 2/21/2007 8:22:27 PM   
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I think the reason we're seeing more switches is that people are finally realizing and accepting that they don't have to be one or the other.  I had always had a dominant personality, but because I felt the need to be controlled, I thought it meant I MUST be submissive.  OMG, what relief I felt when, after years of making myself miserable trying to be submissive, I finally accepted my nature and embraced my inner dominant.  I can't help but think there are a lot of switches out there who have done the same thing.

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RE: Are we gaining? - 2/22/2007 5:01:11 PM   
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I was a switch before I even had any contact with the "outside world" of D/S BDSM (and I'm going back to TES a year or two after it was formed).  But it wasn't until I began to associate with organized groups, in person or on the 'Net, that it dawned on me there was something people would regard as, "fake, unstable, undecided, fraudulent, or greedy" about expressing the two orientations and the unseen to them, but obvious to me, internal integration between them. 
 
To my thinking, it was another example of the small-mindedness which occurs when people get together in groups and exhibit the limitations their insecurities impose on them, a phenomenon that has always fascinated me, in all institutional settings.  Upon further reflection, I think that so many people are conflicted in their exploration of what's a generally unacceptable orientation (either dominant or submissive and many kinks in-between) that when they finally find a place they are accepted, they don't want to rock the boat and they do want to express that identity in a very "definite" way.
 
The irony inherent here is that while allowing for modes of personal expression outside the mainstream, many venues of that expression were just as constricting and prejudiced in their own way, aided by peer pressure, the chest thumping righteousness (in my mind, insecurity) of ubber dominants and submissives.  The reluctance of those who might otherwise have been far more capable of defending themselves and the switch orientation, resulted from fear of alienating the small number of potential partners they finally had found.
 
This situation changed gradually, and at different rates in dfferent areas.  I remember a switch who came to Seattle from the Phoenix area about 8 years ago telling me that she was amazed at the amount of predjudice she encountered here towards switches.  She said that in the 1200 member group she was a part of in AZ, switches were generally regarded as somewhat more enlightened (I'll go with possibly more empathetic, I don't know that constitutes enlightenment).
 
Today, switches like myself have decided that there's nothing to be gained by concealing our potential for either orientation and that's both a component of a widening public discussion and simply the desire to know that regardless of the predjudices we may still experience, those who do appreciate and relate to us do so because they really know who we are. 
 In doing so, I've found more and better relationships, along with a significant increase in potential partners who have told me that they not only appreciate my rather forthright thoughts but that they too, are actually switches.
 
I've also found a far better delination of my own orientation in the experiences and discurssions I've had.  I'm an alpha personality who thrives on service, reverts to a core preference of submission when I determine I'm dealing with a trustworthy partner who is worthy of it and can thoroughly enjoy dominance when a submissive triggers that desire in me (or a dominant wants to be topped). 
 I never look at a dominant who regards herself as always being that way as a submissive, but I can wonder if a submissive has the potential to be dominant.  I can see myself in a long term relationship with a dominant or switch, but not exclusively with a submissive.
 
By both the declaration and further exploration of my switchable nature, I've gained and so has any potential partner.


< Message edited by iFraudius -- 2/22/2007 5:18:41 PM >


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