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michaels4evr -> RE: Effects on being outed on your career (1/15/2007 10:43:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DominaSmartass

Anyone familiar with the case of Jack McGeorge? He is a bigtime guy in the bdsm and M/s scene (one of the founders of Black Rose, I believe) and also very big in the government. He was outed in the Washington Post as being into kinky stuff and everything turned out fine for him. And yes, this was during the Bush administration. Go figure...


yes, Jack told His story at LLC in New Orleans a couple years back...fascinating...




beticat -> RE: Effects on being outed on your career (1/15/2007 11:24:58 PM)

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If you signed a morality clause then was seen in a sleezy bar or doing bdsm, yeah I bet you could be.
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And you may not have actually signed a separate morality clause agreement.
My last employeer had a section in the employee handbook about 'behaving in a manner that reflected well on oneself and the company, on and off work'.
It is possible that the employer might attempt to invoke that clause ~even given the ambiguous language and the fact that I worked for a private company ~not public sector (fire, police, etc), not children (schools, daycare, etc) so presumably my time not representing the company in any fashion is my time.  It is more likely however that should the company take exception to my private activities, they will then build a case for other violations (tardy, attendance, performance, insubordination, etc) and terminate me based on that.
I am not interested in having my private time be subject to someone else's opinions on what is right and moral and so now I check the handbook and other documents before I accept the job.  This way, although I don't go out of my way to describe my personal time, if I happen to be 'outed', the repercussions will hopefully be less.
It's not right ~ it's not fair ~ it is reality for far too many people. And as has been mentioned, the ripple out factor can be much wider than suspected.





FelinePersuasion -> RE: Effects on being outed on your career (1/16/2007 12:22:37 AM)

Why do some companies insist on morality clauses anyway? what's so prim and proper about them that they feel a mc is needed. or ratherwhat purpose is it suppsoed to fufil.




SlaveSubtoserve -> RE: Effects on being outed on your career (1/16/2007 5:02:23 PM)

i think it also depends on where you live- having lived in San Francisco and NYC, and Europe = maybe not such a big outing deal there wheras some small town America- more problematic seemingly....




akisha -> RE: Effects on being outed on your career (1/16/2007 7:30:21 PM)

Being outted at work would just mean more teasing from the group of men i work with. Not really a big deal.

I'd be more worried about my little ones pre-school finding out and treating her differently, or something like that. But really, I am who I am and that's not going to change. I'm not someone that's out there in your face on anything so why would this be different. I'm honest about who I am but I rarely volunteer information.




mystryloca -> RE: Effects on being outed on your career (1/16/2007 8:51:45 PM)

The horror stories exist. 

Usually discovery of our lifestyle leads to a plethora of other allegations because of our "deviance". 

I was exposed in this way...although I wouldn't call it being "outed". If someone had asked me an honest question about my life, I would have given them an honest answer.  But the fact is that what did me in at my job was not my lifestyle (because our organization firmly believed that what I did on my own time was my own business) but the media calls at work to me, my boss and my board members.  It prevented me from doing my job, which was to advocate for a worthy cause, because with that one event and the thousands of rumors spreading around the community about me, it was impossible to actually be effective in my position any longer.

Since then, in interviews, I'm candid about what happened while still not revealing too much.  I say that "work got too personal" and that I was personally and professionally attacked by an organization with only a small bit of knowledge and a grudge against my political affiliation.  It gets a goo response....but I'm still out of a job. 





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