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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/19/2007 3:17:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think there must be two LadyEllens...one who who has sensibly posted on other subjects and the vicious anti white working class type who has posted here !!!

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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/19/2007 4:16:17 PM   
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Either I am highly intelligent as adjudged by all my other posts and threads on this site since June (2500+ posts), or totally stupid on the basis of this one.

Some might consider that given the intelligence shown in all other instances, assuming this batch to be evidence of stupidity, that perhaps they are missing the point being made.

But then, I am at a certain disadvantage in all this, in that I'm not entirely sure what charges are being laid against me, as someone who only asked a question?

And Seeks - I'm not anti white working class by any stretch. Despite the title, which is real btw, I come from a working class background, (I bought the title, for fun), and will ever be working class made good. However, there is no connection between working class and stupidity, the latter being what I detest, even though apparently I'm evidence of such a link.

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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/19/2007 4:18:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		No one answered my post about who these celebrities were in BB so I've been asking around and I was told that the main culprit of the racism is someone who is famous for no other reason than being stupid. Well that just about sums the programme up.

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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/19/2007 5:49:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		so, they all made up and the racism card is withdrawn.

but the ratings from it still went up.

as did revenue.

this was all about $ from ratings.  I'll bet sales of dvd's featuring Shilpa went up, up, up.

along with $ into the pockets of some of the other hasbeen/wannabes on the show.

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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/19/2007 8:17:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have not seen nor read much of the incident.

I do suspect that it is quite likely there was no racial intent behind anything that was said. I also suspect the person on the recieving end did not attach any racial undertones or meaning to what was said. Just a case of two people not liking each other and because they are of different ethnic origins outsiders pounce on it as being racist, probably even more so as the supposed antagonist was not from a minority group.

I also suspect that the vast majority of comlaints were not actually recieved from members of minority groups, but from the Islington Intelligentsia and their comrades across the country.

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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/20/2007 1:40:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL LadyEllen
Either I am highly intelligent as adjudged by all my other posts and threads on this site since June (2500+ posts), or totally stupid on the basis of this one.

I never mentioned stupidity, I said you have revealed a vicious discriminatory attitude.


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However, there is no connection between working class and stupidity, the latter being what I detest, even though apparently I'm evidence of such a link.

Why detest stupidity ? Being stupid is not a fashion choice.
Excluding the various levels of  mental deficiency then  stupidity is probably defined as being less intelligent, which means a comparison needs to be made.
It only depends on the control group against whom the comparison is made to result in many people being characterised as stupid, including large numbers who think of themselves as quite bright.

In fact in my experience many who consider themselves to be bright do so because they have never attempted anything difficult.
A good example here is administrative/managerial types failing in a totally unselfconscious way to do anything practical, like electrical or building work.
If a skilled builder wrote an ungrammatical letter the snots would be down on them like a turn of bricks and wouldn't stop smirking for a week.

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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/20/2007 2:03:48 AM   
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I think there must be two LadyEllens...one who who has sensibly posted on other subjects and the vicious anti white working class type who has posted here !!!
Even though I am an African (and so are you, or so anthropologists are saying), and possibly less intelligent than the chinese according to your IQ tests, if I were to compare you two british people on a higherarchical intellectual scale, I would have to say LadyEllen has continued even in this thread to demonstrate superiority over you seeksfem, if not all of us (I humbly admit), by showing a great deal of learning/understanding on something outside of her realm of experience.    M

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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/20/2007 2:22:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave
I never mentioned stupidity, I said you have revealed a vicious discriminatory attitude.


*mopping his keyboard and monitor*

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*prepares a nomination for the CM Pot n' Kettle Award.*

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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/20/2007 2:25:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig

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I think there must be two LadyEllens...one who who has sensibly posted on other subjects and the vicious anti white working class type who has posted here !!!
Even though I am an African (and so are you, or so anthropologists are saying), and possibly less intelligent than the chinese according to your IQ tests, if I were to compare you two british people on a higherarchical intellectual scale, I would have to say LadyEllen has continued even in this thread to demonstrate superiority over you seeksfem, if not all of us (I humbly admit), by showing a great deal of learning/understanding on something outside of her realm of experience.    M


One who uses IQ tests to measure intelligence could themselves be called stupid. IQ tests are culturally biased and towards those with a traditional middleclass style education. It has nothing to do with measuring intelligence or creativity.

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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/20/2007 2:28:27 AM   
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so, they all made up and the racism card is withdrawn.

but the ratings from it still went up.

as did revenue.

this was all about $ from ratings.  I'll bet sales of dvd's featuring Shilpa went up, up, up.

along with $ into the pockets of some of the other hasbeen/wannabes on the show.


Good post. The whole sorry episode is a farce. The producers of that programme and all those who watch it have come to my attention and will be enjoying an extended stay in my gulag.

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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/20/2007 2:48:30 AM   
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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/20/2007 5:09:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

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ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig
Even though I am an African (and so are you, or so anthropologists are saying), and possibly less intelligent than the chinese according to your IQ tests, if I were to compare you two british people on a higherarchical intellectual scale, I would have to say LadyEllen has continued even in this thread to demonstrate superiority over you seeksfem, if not all of us (I humbly admit), by showing a great deal of learning/understanding on something outside of her realm of experience.    M


One who uses IQ tests to measure intelligence could themselves be called stupid. IQ tests are culturally biased and towards those with a traditional middleclass style education. It has nothing to do with measuring intelligence or creativity.


MsBlk_TFFG: I have no doubt whatsover that you asses my failure in light of the fact that I am saying things you do not want to hear..

MC: People who set IQ tests claim that they can be made socially/culturally non specific and are able to measure reasoning potential, but let us judge on cultural and economic achievement only, my argument still stands. The real point tho' is it racist to address the question ?

Zensee: you will search in vain in any of the posts I have made for anything as intense as <ignorant scum>
If thats not vicious then I really am an African !

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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/20/2007 5:30:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

MC: People who set IQ tests claim that they can be made socially/culturally non specific and are able to measure reasoning potential, but lets us judge on cultural and economic achievement only, my point still stands. The real point tho' is it racist to address the question ?


IQ tests measure what the creators of IQ tests define as intelligence which is not necessarily what intelligence is. IQ tests do not measure a person's imagination or creative abilities. They may be a guide as to how someone might perform in academic activities as long as they have been trained to think in the way the makers of IQ tests expect people to think but not how capable someone is of functioning and contributing to the real world. For example, it has been claimed that many a great artist would merely be lost in the anonymous masses if IQ tests were used as a guide to someone's artistic ability.

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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/20/2007 7:22:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		With regard to Creativity/IQ correlation or lack of , you may well be right MC.
However IQ TESTS measure the same thing, however that thing is defined.

Thus tests will be applied across  a spectrum of society, scores calculated, the mid result DEFINED as 100 and the spread  plotted. When this is done, particularly when the problems of social/class bias have been eliminated, as claimed by the IQ fraternity, then the outcomes are quite consistant and spectacularly non PC.
I expect that is one reason why the tests are held in such low esteem !!!

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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/20/2007 9:24:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver
IQ tests measure what the creators of IQ tests define as intelligence which is not necessarily what intelligence is. IQ tests do not measure a person's imagination or creative abilities. They may be a guide as to how someone might perform in academic activities as long as they have been trained to think in the way the makers of IQ tests expect people to think but not how capable someone is of functioning and contributing to the real world. For example, it has been claimed that many a great artist would merely be lost in the anonymous masses if IQ tests were used as a guide to someone's artistic ability.

Quite.

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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave
With regard to Creativity/IQ correlation or lack of , you may well be right MC.

However IQ TESTS measure the same thing, however that thing is defined.

Thus tests will be applied across  a spectrum of society, scores calculated, the mid result DEFINED as 100 and the spread  plotted. When this is done, particularly when the problems of social/class bias have been eliminated, as claimed by the IQ fraternity, then the outcomes are quite consistant and spectacularly non PC.
I expect that is one reason why the tests are held in such low esteem !!!

IQ is much like a car or a horse. In principle a car with only one seat and one wheel, and one engine but nothing else (a light weight car), will go faster than a car with four seats and four wheels and headlights and a claxon and such (a heavy mass car). Is the car superior in the sense that it goes faster? Yes. In all other ways, though, it is a downsized car. Analogously a horse with only one eye, nostril, ear, kidney, lung, leg in principle will run faster than a horse that has the full complement. Is it superior? Yes, as it goes faster - but in all other ways it is severely handicapped (missing three legs and all that).

The theory of evolution by natural selection is adamant: any trait that is in the slightest way beneficial will be selected for. Indeed, when the benefit is a mere one per cent in evolutionary terms it will be selected for faster than lightning strikes. That such large discrepancies in IQ exist within populations and between populations, indicates that a high IQ does not bestow such benefits. Consequently high IQ ideas (conceived by scientists) like eugenical genocide (let's eradicade the low-IQs people) most definitely are both crazy and extremely stupid and most certainly counterproductive. (Who wants a herd of one-legged horses?)

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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/20/2007 10:22:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		Rule: the next time you wish to bet on a one legged horse will you please pass the money over to me. I am very friendly with a bookmaker who offers astronomical odds on such animals. We will both make a fortune. I certainly will 'cos I will keep your stake for myself.

Has Jade Goody been attacked or prosecuted yet ? If not why not.

Your post raises a point Rule...Why arent we all super intelligent since I assume that would confer advantage and become a normal trait, according to your belief system anyway. Why do only clever parents have dyslexic children, bit odd eh ? When stupid parents have children who cant read  surely they are just stupid children. NO ?

I should stick to metaphysics if I were you Rule, incomprehensability brings is own rewards. When you claim a one legged horse is faster than even a three legged one I think you have come down to Earth with a big bump.


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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/20/2007 12:15:43 PM   
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Why do only clever parents have dyslexic children, bit odd eh ? When stupid parents have children who cant read  surely they are just stupid children. NO ?



Thats quite funny, i've never heard that before. I would guess that clever parents generally have money which buys there stupid children the diagnosis of dyslexia...where it is found and accepted in the schools they go to. Where as stupid parents generally have no money (unless ofcourse they've been on reality tv shows) so there stupid children don't go to as good a school and continue to be seen as stupid. All of which brings us nicely back to the class system and the real reason behind the big brother "racism" thing as people generally dont like people who have had opportunities that they themselves have not had...but envy is far from racism.

Oh and i believe it was i, in my last post, that may of implied that ladyEllen was not too bright..by bringing it up twice.

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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/20/2007 12:51:47 PM   
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The theory of evolution by natural selection is adamant: any trait that is in the slightest way beneficial will be selected for. Indeed, when the benefit is a mere one per cent in evolutionary terms it will be selected for faster than lightning strikes. That such large discrepancies in IQ exist within populations and between populations, indicates that a high IQ does not bestow such benefits. Consequently high IQ ideas (conceived by scientists) like eugenical genocide (let's eradicade the low-IQs people) most definitely are both crazy and extremely stupid and most certainly counterproductive. (Who wants a herd of one-legged horses?)


Hmmm.

Though it seems I am bright enough to have understood this. Whilst the two responses following it indicated clearly that their contributors did not.

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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/20/2007 2:11:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hmmm to you.....so having a high IQ does NOT confer advantage then ?

Another point, the circular reasoning in the post is absolutely typical. I hope you are bright enough to grasp that LadyE.

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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/20/2007 2:20:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

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The theory of evolution by natural selection is adamant: any trait that is in the slightest way beneficial will be selected for. Indeed, when the benefit is a mere one per cent in evolutionary terms it will be selected for faster than lightning strikes. That such large discrepancies in IQ exist within populations and between populations, indicates that a high IQ does not bestow such benefits. Consequently high IQ ideas (conceived by scientists) like eugenical genocide (let's eradicade the low-IQs people) most definitely are both crazy and extremely stupid and most certainly counterproductive. (Who wants a herd of one-legged horses?)


Hmmm.

Though it seems I am bright enough to have understood this. Whilst the two responses following it indicated clearly that their contributors did not.

E


Well that is good that you understand of something that has no relation to the topic, as you show little understanding of the actual topic itself that you started. 
And being that you are so bright you would know that my comment above was actually responding to Seeks and not Rule..which makes your comment all the more mute.

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