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RE: Medication and the lifestyle - 1/25/2007 6:11:50 PM

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I am really high right now. Only way to describe it. I finally took this cruddy little virus to the Dr and he gave me a note for a few days off work and a bottle of cough syrup. Woo-Hoo! It's pretty damn good cough syrup.

It has me wondering a bit though. I know people who've been disabled and take stuff a lot stronger than this every day to manage their pain. Some of them actually function pretty well, but they are still high. Do people who are taking such meds have any business in the lifestyle? Can they be trusted?

I am one of those that take these kinds of meds on a daily basis...I can assure you that becasue i have these meds prescribed by a pain management specialists I am not high....if i have to take break through meds then i normally am in too much pain to play in any way. I am not high...I have had exactly ONE incidence of havign the meds affect me and that was when i was given a new med and i hadnt taken it before ..the first time i took it I was shlogged. those who know me rememebr that incidence. I am on a constant dose of meds i cannot take more becasue of the manner in which it is administered. I am on a prescribed medication regimine.....are there those that do abuse the drugs they are given...YES but it is difficult to be treated by a pain management professional and abuse your meds.....In actuality I am given less than a months supply should i actually take every pill as it is prescribed.

I would hope that before you make such a comment...that you would do a bit of research. I personally never took the break through meds when i was working......but i did with medical approval and the approval and knowledge of my employer work with the every day constant dose of meds...

and that is my personal as well as professional opinion

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RE: Medication and the lifestyle - 1/25/2007 6:21:37 PM

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I once played with a person who was on opiates for pain managment, but she didn't tell me, I found out after from somebody else. I was amazed at her tolerance level, until I found out. I could have done her damage without her being aware of it I think. I confronted her later, she said she had not told me because she was afraid that I would say no, and she really wanted to play.

She was right, I would have said no. Fortunately no harm was done. I would never do that again, with knowledge of it in advance. Certainly I will never play with her again; I do not feel that I can trust her.

I have a good friend who is a Top for many years, he now has severe osteoarthritis in a shoulder and is on opiates among other things. He won't play if he is not feeling well enough to skip his dose. He knows that his perception and coordination is not the same when he is medicated, even though he is quite acclimated to the drug.

Depends I guess on dosage, how you like to play, etc. Heavy pain scenes are not the same as lighter ones, or sex or sensation play.

Griz.....I agreet hat she should have told you that she was on meds.....just as anyone should tell anyone of antyhign that may affect things....but honestly her meds for her chronic pain have nothing to do with immediate pain....

I am a chronic pain lady I have been in treatment for years...and want to know what?? when i had a root canal...I needed more meds....the meds i am on are titrated for the constant pain i am in...not the pain that gets added on....1 pill for my chronic pain isnt goignt o control that pain and the paint hat happens when i fall and break my leg!

think about it as a pot of sauce...mom makes a pot of sauce every sunday for the family.....and you get 2 meals for 6 from it.....if she has company is that same pot of sauce goign to still last for 2 meals?? I think not!

In regard to your friend with his shoulder...odds are he isnt taking pains meds on a adaily basis..he is more than likely taking anti infmatories and when it acts up too much he pops a narcotic....and it is that type of meds that cause the ups and downs of sedation! a persont hat takes the narcotics on a a daily basis DO NOT HAVE the fluctuations.....they are not high...they are constant...

a person in pain and not taking the meds that are necessary to keep the pain in a tolerable level...are actually more likely to have an altered sense of alertness becasue they are in pain

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RE: Medication and the lifestyle - 1/25/2007 6:30:48 PM

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I once played with a person who was on opiates for pain managment, but she didn't tell me, I found out after from somebody else. I was amazed at her tolerance level, until I found out. I could have done her damage without her being aware of it I think. I confronted her later, she said she had not told me because she was afraid that I would say no, and she really wanted to play.

She was right, I would have said no. Fortunately no harm was done. I would never do that again, with knowledge of it in advance. Certainly I will never play with her again; I do not feel that I can trust her.

I have a good friend who is a Top for many years, he now has severe osteoarthritis in a shoulder and is on opiates among other things. He won't play if he is not feeling well enough to skip his dose. He knows that his perception and coordination is not the same when he is medicated, even though he is quite acclimated to the drug.

Depends I guess on dosage, how you like to play, etc. Heavy pain scenes are not the same as lighter ones, or sex or sensation play.

I am curious, for my own reasons. Would you still say no if she were upfront about it? Or would you say pull your punches a bit, modify things, testing as you would with any new sub?

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RE: Medication and the lifestyle - 1/25/2007 7:42:52 PM

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Promethazine/Codeine. Took the body aches right out of the picture.

Back to work tomorrow though, so it'll just be Nyquil tonight.

Yup, promethazine is generic phenergan. Good shit and it does indeed take the ache out and ease the cough. It also settles the stomach if you've a tendency to get nauseated with codeine.

Rest well and I hope you feel better, especially if you have to work.

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RE: Medication and the lifestyle - 1/25/2007 9:34:45 PM

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What does 'why' a person takes a drug have to do with the effects? The consciousness is altered, regardless of motivation.

That's one of those " yanno's".   The " high" you are currently feeling when you take your medicine will fade and diminish and cease if you continued taking the same dosage every day after about 5-7 days. Your body will build up " tolerance" to the medication and the " high" no longer happens.
In people with chronic pain who take opioids to control it this also occurs.  The beginning dosage may give you a buzz for a few days, then your body adjusts to the medication and you no longer have the buzz. Also, your body builds tolerance to the opiod to the point in which a dose you have been taking for months will need to be adjusted upward to acheive the same pain control. Generall speaking, this increase in dose no longer gets you high, because you have the opiod in your system already. As some one else posted they take pain meds on a schedule with extra pain medicine available for the " breakthrough pain". At some point, usually when a person is taking 4-5 doses of breakthrough pain medicine the scheduled medicine needs to be increased.

People who take pain medication or other narcotics, under the supervision of an MD or pain management specialist do not get " high" routinely from there medications. That is a common misconception.

http://www.tcc.state.tx.us/gftocp/opioid_tolerance.html

http://www.pain.com/sections/professional/expert_interviews/interview.cfm?id=13

http://www.painresearch.utah.edu/cancerpain/ch20.html

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RE: Medication and the lifestyle - 1/25/2007 9:46:02 PM

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I recommend evaluating each person's situation on an individual basis.
TammyJo has postsed good guidelines regarding medication
that causes blood thinning or drowsiness as two examples.

I take two types of hyper-tension medications daily due to
a genetic predisposition to the condition. One is a diurectic,
so I have to adjust my fluid intake by how far away the
bathroom is located.

And do continue to rest and drink plenty of fluids through
the weekend, Rich.

YMMV,

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It has me wondering a bit though. I know people who've been disabled and take stuff a lot stronger than this every day to manage their pain. Some of them actually function pretty well, but they are still high. Do people who are taking such meds have any business in the lifestyle? Can they be trusted?

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RE: Medication and the lifestyle - 1/26/2007 3:09:18 PM

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Master suffers chronic pain through arthritis and rotator cuff syndrome. He has painful neck, back and knees. He no longer takes oral pain meds because they upset His stomach and make Him feel ill.

He smokes pot for pain relief and appetite stimulation as well as helping Him sleep. But He never smokes it if we are going out, if we are going to play at all, or if He will be driving. We also use emu oil gel - massaged into His sore places it gives a measure of relief.

Before we got together He was on a cocktail of pain relief drugs. They ended up having little or no effect on His pain and just made Him ill. He took them constantly, to a routine, and He was able to function - just. Sometimes when He was in hospital He had to have morphine, the back pain was so bad.

Pot is illegal here even for medicinal purposes. I used to be anti drugs, now I can see a reason for having it available for chronically ill people for whom conventional pain meds either don't work or which make them sicker.

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RE: Medication and the lifestyle - 1/26/2007 4:09:23 PM

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So many excellent points! Before I'd experienced chronic, severe pain, I'd likely have been in the 'don't take meds and play' camp. However, now that I know how a regular, monitored dose over a long period of time affects me, I have a very different opinion.

If anything, I'm more aware than I was off the opiate because I KNOW it does have an effect on my brain, and have watched that closely. I'm very conscious of how I'm feeling and acting at any given time, and if there's any doubt I'm not safe, I just don't do the activity. When I'm in pain or have taken more meds for breakthrough pain, I know I'm not functioning well, and can't fathom doing anything like driving or playing. I also don't feel well enough during these times to do much anyway, and that alone takes the activities off of the table for me. I have a job with a flexible schedule, so when I'm not all there due to pain or the meds, I simply call my clients and reschedule; the same is true for playing.

My sub has seen how the meds affect me 24/7 for well over a year now, and he knows I won't play when I'm unwell. He also knows I'll have him run the errand or drive me if there's any question I'm impaired. So, we've long established that I know myself well and am very responsible about not doing things that could hurt myself, him or someone else.

I ask about medical conditions and all drugs before playing with someone else. I'd expect them to tell me if they were on painkillers and everything else. I wouldn't hesitate to top someone who was on opiods for chronic pain because I have a good idea of how they're affected. Similarly, I wouldn't have a problem with someone who didn't want to play with me because of my condition, but I would expect them to seek information and communicate about it, only making the decision after they had all of the facts because I believe that's the mature and responsible thing to do (and I don't want to play with those who are immature or irresponsible anyway).

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RE: Medication and the lifestyle - 1/26/2007 4:16:26 PM

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I never questioned for a second their 'right' to participate, I'm wondering if it is smart. The freedom to do stupid things is a given.

Quite true.

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I have a bit of experience with addicts and addiction, and these comments ring of denial, like a drunk insisting he knows when he shouldn't drive.

Addiction and chemical dependence are not the same thing. Addiction usually has a chemical dependence element, but the reverse is not necessarily true (although it can be).

Dependence happens when your body gets used to something and needs it to function - such as long term pain management medications.

Addiction is drug seeking behavior for the purpose of mood modification. They are not necessarily linked. A person who is dependent can be titrated off a medication with no ill effects or drug seeking behavior. Addiction is a horse of a different feather.

I agree with the posters who say that it's between the parties involved. Same as drinking and playing. It's between the parties involved.

I would also have to add that many people take medications that bring them health thus bring them to a place were they can function within the stated norm. On the other hand once a person crosses the line fron chemical abuse to dependence if feel it would be the wizer person who refrained from playing with such person until they cleaned up. Nobody has the right to say your high from taking cough meds or anything stronger until they see how it affects their actions, mood. emotions, etc.

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RE: Medication and the lifestyle - 1/27/2007 12:44:21 PM

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as per griffn:
I would also have to add that many people take medications that bring them health thus bring them to a place were they can function within the stated norm. On the other hand once a person crosses the line fron chemical abuse to dependence if feel it would be the wizer person who refrained from playing with such person until they cleaned up. Nobody has the right to say your high from taking cough meds or anything stronger until they see how it affects their actions, mood. emotions, etc.

Griffin there is a big difference between addiction and dependance......I AM DRUG DEPENDANT I am also very honest about it...I am however NOY a drug abuser...

dependanace is when someone uses meds to function from day to day...with the shape my back is in...without the pain meds i use i wouldnt be able to even get into a shower and brush my hair! I am stillunable to return to work at this time bcaus eI PERSONALLY AND PROFESSIONALLY feel that i have no business working with life and death matters..on any given day at any given time i will have a period of exacerbation and will NEED to take meds...i would not be able to get through an 8 hour shift with the unknown nature of my pain. I have at the last minute had to cancel dates and play dates...as well as disappointed friends who were counting on me....but it was my opinion that it was safer for us all if i stayed home and took care fo the pain ... but that is just my opinion.......

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RE: Medication and the lifestyle - 1/27/2007 4:53:26 PM

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W/we do not scene when He has been drinking...nor would i allow Him to play with me if he was high on anything...even if it was something He used daily....safe, sane and consensual, to me, means you trust your Dom...and if He is on something, i would question His ability to read me well....O/our dynamic is one that He reads me very well and stops just shy of my calling safe word (not that i use one usually :) ) but if he were not able to descern i was at that point and i did not know it i might become injured....i trust Him to know my limits by watching me and observing...which He does very well...i also do not play if i have been drinking as it will throw my reactions off and He may not be able to read me well...

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