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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/7/2007 6:58:23 PM   
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Ok, there are several options here, in no particular order
Not recorded
recorded but not published
recorded and published where you have not found it

To assume it is not recorded simply because nobody has presented it to you gift wrapped is, well beyond words frankly.

Usually I abhor gifts, but in this case I would appreciate such a gift. Another gift that I would like: evidence - such as records - that the four planes were victualled. Such records exist online, but I could make head nor tails from them.
 
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Rather than sending me off to research if a c130 landed at place x within y minutes of time z, do it yourself...

Perhaps.

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Now how is that corroborated?

ATC, C130 crew, how are all your eyewitnesses that you claim credible (for which should be read un-investigated) corroborated?

air traffic control (ATC). Perhaps.
C130 crew. Perhaps.
You however pointed at the Timmerman interview problem. As I am convinced that he was aboard that plane, though, according to you the plane cannot have been near #93, nor have landed at its destination or wherever en route. So that makes both the crew and ATC suspect. (That is a good thing, as it provides another lead to investigate.)

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imagine if it had be TIAL at the beginning and that meant This Is A Lie, you would have looked even more foolish.

I never encountered the TIAL-code either. I am learning!
No, I would not have looked more foolish. Ignorant, undoubtedly, but not foolish. It would have been foolish if I had edited out the IIRC-code without knowing what it stood for.

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As a quote in that context I would guess it came from a forum similar to this, an aviators forum where there would be more credibilty? a conspiracy forum? just the first hit for "c130 crew of four" on google?

I do not exactly remember, but it indeed was something like just the first hit for "c130 crew" and it was some kind of conspiracy forum. I noticed it because it was even less than the crew of five that you mentioned.

I do recall searching for the combination C130 and "his crew of eight", as I was trying to find the website and text again from which I had copied "Steve O'Brien and his crew of eight" - and finding that again was not easy.

 
Edited to add: Thank you, RO, for the link. I did not read all of it, but sufficient to accept that the "pod" indeed is not a pod, but a wing fairing.

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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/8/2007 4:37:08 PM   
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Ok, there are several options here, in no particular order
Not recorded
recorded but not published
recorded and published where you have not found it

To assume it is not recorded simply because nobody has presented it to you gift wrapped is, well beyond words frankly.

Usually I abhor gifts, but in this case I would appreciate such a gift. Another gift that I would like: evidence - such as records - that the four planes were victualled. Such records exist online, but I could make head nor tails from them.

So if the records exist, which you admit they do, why do you need evidence, by your own admission you already have it, but in a form that cannot be made to prove your argument? Surely what you need is the evidence you already have translated into a format that makes sense to you as someone outside the civil aviation industry.
 
If the records exist but are gibberish to you I would suggest approaching an expert or 6 (for verification purposes) for explanations. Such records are usually designed for those in the trade and as such make little sense to those that dont speak the "language" much as any document specific to a trade such as an electronic circuit diagram requires learning the language to make sense.
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Now how is that corroborated?

ATC, C130 crew, how are all your eyewitnesses that you claim credible (for which should be read un-investigated) corroborated?

air traffic control (ATC). Perhaps.
C130 crew. Perhaps.
You however pointed at the Timmerman interview problem. As I am convinced that he was aboard that plane, though, according to you the plane cannot have been near #93, nor have landed at its destination or wherever en route. So that makes both the crew and ATC suspect. (That is a good thing, as it provides another lead to investigate.)

Eh? Why can the herky bird have been nowhere near 93 according to me when I have been saying all along that a) it was and  b) the timing fits and c) It could have left dc at app 0930, passed by the 93 impact site and still landed in minnesota before the air stop was complete? Please clarify  "according to you the plane cannot have been near #93"
 
 
Even if you assume Timmerman was aboard......
Distance from DC - Pittsburgh (further away from dc than shanksville but the nearest obvious point on my map) app 180 miles
DC - Twin Cities via Pitts burgh app 930 miles
Max speed of C130H 366 mph
time dc-pitts at full throttle app30 mins  (time difference between impacts of 77 and 93 is also app 30mins)
time dc-twin cities via pits at full throttle app 2.5 hours
 
(distances are great circle, ie shortest possible) if you draw a great circle route from dc-twin cities look how close it falls to shanksville, of course the C130 would have been flying along airways on within military airspace so would not quite have flown the perfect great circle route
 
Therefore that one aricraft can leave DC at 0940est, pass by the 93 impact site app 30 mins later and land in Minneapolis before the only aircraft left in the air were fighters on CAP (1230est*). It does not however leave enough time for timmerman (if he was aboard, an unverified conclusion) to return from the C130s home to DC intime to appear on CNN (could be marginally possible if the C130 was maxed all the way and he then immediately jumped into a mach2 fighter that left a great big sonic footprint across a good chunk of the northeast in violation of the FAA stop.
 
However it also proves should anyone wish that golfer06 could have been in the vicinity of both crashes and landed almost anywhere within a couple of hundred miles+ of either site and left time for Timmerman to get back in time for his CNN spot.
 
*I do not have an actual time for last aircraft on ground, but it was certainly 12xxEST around 3 hours from the initial order broadcast according to my memory. Its a well published figure along with 0929EST for the order
 

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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/8/2007 4:40:53 PM   
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passed by the 93 impact site and still landed in minnesota before the air stop was complete?


Being from minnesota, I can assure you we woulda noticed that shit.....

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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/8/2007 5:24:17 PM   
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So if the records exist, which you admit they do, why do you need evidence, by your own admission you already have it, but in a form that cannot be made to prove your argument? Surely what you need is the evidence you already have translated into a format that makes sense to you as someone outside the civil aviation industry.

If the records exist but are gibberish to you I would suggest approaching an expert or 6 (for verification purposes) for explanations. Such records are usually designed for those in the trade and as such make little sense to those that dont speak the "language" much as any document specific to a trade such as an electronic circuit diagram requires learning the language to make sense.

Quite.

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Eh? Why can the herky bird have been nowhere near 93 according to me when I have been saying all along that a) it was and  b) the timing fits and c) It could have left dc at app 0930, passed by the 93 impact site and still landed in minnesota before the air stop was complete? Please clarify  "according to you the plane cannot have been near #93

Even if you assume Timmerman was aboard......
Distance from DC - Pittsburgh (further away from dc than shanksville but the nearest obvious point on my map) app 180 miles
DC - Twin Cities via Pitts burgh app 930 miles
Max speed of C130H 366 mph
time dc-pitts at full throttle app30 mins  (time difference between impacts of 77 and 93 is also app 30mins)
time dc-twin cities via pits at full throttle app 2.5 hours

(distances are great circle, ie shortest possible) if you draw a great circle route from dc-twin cities look how close it falls to shanksville, of course the C130 would have been flying along airways on within military airspace so would not quite have flown the perfect great circle route

Therefore that one aircraft can leave DC at 0940est, pass by the 93 impact site app 30 mins later and land in Minneapolis before the only aircraft left in the air were fighters on CAP (1230est*). It does not however leave enough time for timmerman (if he was aboard, an unverified conclusion) to return from the C130s home to DC intime to appear on CNN (could be marginally possible if the C130 was maxed all the way and he then immediately jumped into a mach2 fighter that left a great big sonic footprint across a good chunk of the northeast in violation of the FAA stop.

However it also proves should anyone wish that golfer06 could have been in the vicinity of both crashes and landed almost anywhere within a couple of hundred miles+ of either site and left time for Timmerman to get back in time for his CNN spot.

*I do not have an actual time for last aircraft on ground, but it was certainly 12xxEST around 3 hours from the initial order broadcast according to my memory. Its a well published figure along with 0929EST for the order

Terrific analysis, sleazy. I appreciate your effort.
 
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passed by the 93 impact site and still landed in minnesota before the air stop was complete?

Being from minnesota, I can assure you we woulda noticed that shit.....

I gather that you deny that any such plane landed thereabouts, Ron. So where and when did the C130 land? Where did Timmerman debark or deboard? (Is that English?)

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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/8/2007 5:28:25 PM   
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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/8/2007 5:40:25 PM   
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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/8/2007 6:25:00 PM   
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That says it all LMFAO!!!


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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/8/2007 7:49:36 PM   
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The smile was directed at Solinear for supplying the correct word.

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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/9/2007 12:19:40 PM   
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http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon.php

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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/9/2007 2:44:12 PM   
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The smile was directed at Solinear for supplying the correct word.


more witness's
http://www.911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/witnesses/bart.html#witnesses

more:

http://911review.org/Wiki/PentagonAttackWitnessesBlast.shtml


WASHINGTON, D.C. --- The airliner crashed between two and three hundred feet from my office in the Pentagon, just around a corner from where I [Don Perkal] work.
I'm the deputy General Counsel, Washington Headquarters Services, Office of the Secretary of Defense. A slightly different calibration and I have no doubt I wouldn't be sending this to you. My colleagues felt the impact, which reminded them of an earthquake. People shouted in the corridor outside that a bomb had gone off upstairs on the main concourse in the building. No alarms sounded. I walked to my office, shut down my computer, and headed out. Even before stepping outside I could smell the cordite. Then I knew explosives had been set off somewhere."
Timothy McSweeney's, September 19, 2001

A personnel attorney at the Pentagon, [Gilah] Goldsmith was riding a shuttle bus to work on Tuesday, Sept. 11, when she learned of the attack on the World Trade Center. [...] "We saw a huge black cloud of smoke," she said, saying it smelled like cordite or gun smoke.
Jewish Bulletin News, September 21, 2001

John Bowman, a retired Marine lieutenant colonel and a contractor, was in his office in Corridor Two near the main entrance to the south parking lot. "Everything was calm,' Bowman said. "Most people knew it was a bomb. Everyone evacuated smartly. We have a good sprinkling of military people who have been shot at."
dcmilitary.com, September 14, 2001
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"Most modern aircraft have some form of autopilot that
could be re-programmed to ignore commands from a hijacker and instead take direction from the ground,"
says Jeff Gosling of the Institute of Transportation
Studies at the University of California, Berkeley.

If a hijacking were detected in progress, being able to
control a plane from the ground would be crucial, says Gosling. "The only other thing you could do is shoot the target down."

Autopilot, the system that maintains altitude, speed,
and direction during flight, is fully capable of landing a plane without help from the pilot, says aviation engineering researcher Dale Oderman at Purdue University in Lafayette, Indiana. "We are already capable of flying unmanned military spy planes, so it is
not far off to think that a remote system could land a commercial passenger jet."


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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/9/2007 6:07:02 PM   
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I cant stand the argument and the ignorance of fact, just as the beams on the pictures you showed were indeed cut by a welding torch and there is irrefutable evidence this is so, and the picture of a formed ring that was choluginatated as a bent beam, all that on the wayside, and the actual interesting views that defy cogent explanation will also go by the wayside----

lincoln had a secretary named kennedy
kennedy had a secretary named lincoln
Fact or conspiracy?

These threads go on for time immemorial, but the point can never be reached as the discourse falls into pedantic display of what if and how is this so, and anything to the contrary is ignored...this will be met with equal resistance to all ideas on the other side.

Having said that, it isn't interesting when it devolves to that point.




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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/9/2007 9:42:09 PM   
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I cant stand the argument and the ignorance of fact, just as the beams on the pictures you showed were indeed cut by a welding torch and there is irrefutable evidence this is so, and the picture of a formed ring that was choluginatated as a bent beam, all that on the wayside, and the actual interesting views that defy cogent explanation will also go by the wayside----

lincoln had a secretary named kennedy
kennedy had a secretary named lincoln
Fact or conspiracy?

These threads go on for time immemorial, but the point can never be reached as the discourse falls into pedantic display of what if and how is this so, and anything to the contrary is ignored...this will be met with equal resistance to all ideas on the other side.

Having said that, it isn't interesting when it devolves to that point.


yah...   well he was looking for witnesses and i ran across a few so i thought i would pop them on here.

The welding thing was from yours and my debate on what dropped the building, and frankly you did a good job creating doubt, and i dont know how they were cut.  From my expereince either could be possible, where as before we debated the point i was sure that it was thermite.  So your efforts were not a waste of time.

i think the whole point we were driving at was to explore what caused the building to drop.  Then we stumbled across or did they just happen to finally release the tapes of the fire men talking about little to no fires and bombs.  Of course once the bombs were brought into the picture in my mine that pretty much superceded our other theories of fire and plane crashes etc being the cause.

Now there is even more coming out, tons of different videos showing explosions and lots of testimonies on it to.

The interesting thing about that however is there are a lot more explosives than meets the eye because it is impossible to turn poured concrete floors to poweder like that without imbedded explosives in the floors.

Anyway here are a slew of videos i gathered all showing various views of the wtc getting all blown to hell and testimonies and even sound tracks of the bombs going off in the buildings.

There is simply no possible way that box cutter terrorists could have wired that whole building with enough semtek to turn it to dust like it did leaving nothing larger than a telephone pad.  That of course means the whole freaking building had to be wired top to bottom.   

There are only a couple organizations that can bring a building down like that, and that is like 3 total demolition companies in the world and the military.  anyway here are thos vids with the explosions


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8931450018968737845&q=bombs%2Bwtc

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3470582211960171423&q=bombs%2Bwtc

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2270478835340619294&q=bombs%2Bwtc

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-428465826766296297&q=bombs%2Bwtc

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5876694542198786106&q=bombs%2Bwtc

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3470582211960171423&q=bombs%2Bwtc

this one is hilarious
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3401925678922201999&q=bombs%2Bwtc

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1358726890127819985&q=bombs%2Bwtc



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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/9/2007 10:44:57 PM   
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Minneapolis Star-Tribune September 11, 2002:
Excerpt:
He flew west, not exactly sure where he was supposed to land. Somewhere over western Pennsylvania, O'Brien looked down at a blackened, smoldering field. ...
He finally landed at the Youngstown, Ohio, airport.

 
This came with a dead link.
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/2002/minnea...
 
So when did they land. Can anyone corroborate their landing, specifically that it was this C130 and not any other?
 
Curiously, when trying to find Youngstown on that dead link page, the result is this:
When Flight 93 is over Youngstown, Ohio, Stacey Taylor and other Cleveland flight controllers see it rapidly climb 6,000 feet above its assigned altitude of 35,000 feet and then rapidly descend. The plane drops so quickly toward Cleveland that the flight controllers worry they might be the target. Other accounts say the climb occurs around 9:35 a.m. Controllers continue to try to contact the plane but still get no response. [Guardian, 10/17/2001; USA Today, 8/13/2002; 9/11 Commission, 6/17/2004]
 
I dislike and distrust such coincidences.

Then there is the coincidence that flight 93 makes its turn at Cleveland.


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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/10/2007 3:56:19 PM   
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Minneapolis Star-Tribune September 11, 2002:
Excerpt:
He flew west, not exactly sure where he was supposed to land. Somewhere over western Pennsylvania, O'Brien looked down at a blackened, smoldering field. ...
He finally landed at the Youngstown, Ohio, airport.

 
This came with a dead link.
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/2002/minnea...
 
So when did they land. Can anyone corroborate their landing, specifically that it was this C130 and not any other?
 
Curiously, when trying to find Youngstown on that dead link page, the result is this:
When Flight 93 is over Youngstown, Ohio, Stacey Taylor and other Cleveland flight controllers see it rapidly climb 6,000 feet above its assigned altitude of 35,000 feet and then rapidly descend. The plane drops so quickly toward Cleveland that the flight controllers worry they might be the target. Other accounts say the climb occurs around 9:35 a.m. Controllers continue to try to contact the plane but still get no response. [Guardian, 10/17/2001; USA Today, 8/13/2002; 9/11 Commission, 6/17/2004]
 
I dislike and distrust such coincidences.

Then there is the coincidence that flight 93 makes its turn at Cleveland.



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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/14/2007 6:05:50 AM   
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I checked out that CNN interview. It starts like this:
 
"Bob Franken: Mr. Timmerman, are you with us right now?
TIM TIMMERMAN, EYEWITNESS: I sure am."

 
From this I surmise that the both of them are not face to face, but that they are coversing by telephone or radio. Is that surmise correct? Was Timmerman possibly in Youngstown, Ohio, with that C130, at the time of the interview?



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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/27/2007 6:46:27 PM   
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rule i found one of the links i promised ya:

Planes of 911 Exceeded Their Software Limits

http://www.viewzone.com/FMCS.jpg

http://www.viewzone.com/911revisited.html

Two of the aircraft exceeded their software limits on 9/11. The Boeing 757 and 767 are equipped with fully autonomous flight capability, they are the only two Boeing commuter aircraft capable of fully autonomous flight. They can be programmed to take off, fly to a destination and land, completely without a pilot at the controls.


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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 2/28/2007 12:26:37 PM   
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We’ve all heard the “official conspiracy theory” of the Death Star attack. We all know about Luke Skywalker and his ragtag bunch of rebels, how they mounted a foolhardy attack on the most powerful, well-defended battle station ever built. And we’ve all seen the video over, and over, and over, of the one-in-a-million shot that resulted in a massive chain reaction that not just damaged, but completely obliterated that massive technological wonder.

Like many Americans, I was fed this story when I was growing up. But as I watched the video, I began to realize that all was not as it seemed. And the more I questioned the official story, the deeper into the rabbit hole I went.

Presented here are some of the results of my soul-searching regarding this painful event. Like many citizens, I have many questions that I would like answered: was the mighty Imperial government really too incompetent to prevent a handful of untrained nerf-herders from destroying one of their most prized assets? Or are they hiding something from us? Who was really behind the attack? Why did they want the Death Star destroyed? No matter what the answers, we have a problem.

Below is a summary of my book, Uncomfortable Questions: An Analysis of the Death Star Attack, which presents compelling evidence that we all may be the victims of a fraud of immense proportions.


Uncomfortable Questions about the Death Star Attack

The cover of Uncomfortable Questions: An Analysis of the Death Star Attack


1) Why were a handful of rebel fighters able to penetrate the defenses of a battle station that had the capability of destroying an entire planet and the defenses to ward off several fleets of battle ships?

2) Why did Grand Moff Tarkin refuse to deploy the station’s large fleet of TIE Fighters until it was too late? Was he acting on orders from somebody to not shoot down the rebel attack force? If so, who, and why?

3) Why was the rebel pilot who supposedly destroyed the Death Star reported to be on the Death Star days, maybe hours, prior to its destruction? Why was he allowed to escape, and why were several individuals dressed in Stormtrooper uniforms seen helping him?

4) Why has there not been an investigation into allegations that Darth Vader, the second-ranking member of the Imperial Government, is in fact the father of the pilot who allegedly destroyed the Death Star?

5) Why did Lord Vader decide to break all protocols and personally pilot a lightly armored TIE Fighter? Conveniently, this placed Lord Vader outside of the Death Star when it was destroyed, where he was also conveniently able to escape from a large-sized rebel fleet that had just routed the Imperial forces. Why would Lord Vader, one of the highest ranking members of the Imperial Government, suddenly decide to fly away from the Death Star in the middle of a battle? Did he know something that the rest of the Imperial Navy didn’t?

Emperor Palpatine fails to act after being informed of the attack


6) How could any pilot shoot a missile into a 2 meter-wide exhaust port, let alone a pilot with no formal training, whose only claim to fame was his ability to “bullseye womprats” on Tatooine? This shot, according to one pilot, would be “impossible, even for a computer.” Yet, according to additional evidence, the pilot who allegedly fired the missile turned off his targeting computer when he was supposedly firing the shot that destroyed the Death Star. Why have these discrepancies never been investigated, let alone explained?

7) Why has their been no investigation into evidence that the droids who provided the rebels with the Death Star plans were once owned by none other than Lord Vader himself, and were found, conveniently, by the pilot who destroyed the Death Star, and who is also believed to be Lord Vader’s son? Evidence also shows that the droids were brought to one Ben Kenobi, who, records indicate, was Darth Vader’s teacher many years earlier! Are all these personal connections between the conspirators and a key figure in the Imperial government supposed to be coincidences?

8) How could a single missile destroy a battle station the size of a moon? No records, anywhere, show that any battle station or capital ship has ever been destroyed by a single missile. Furthermore, analysis of the tape of the last moments of the Death Star show numerous small explosions along its surface, prior to it exploding completely! Why does all evidence indicate that strategically placed explosives, not a single missile, is what destroyed the Death Star?


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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 3/2/2007 1:45:32 PM   
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Of course merely coincidence!  Eyes just were not on the ball because they were to busy looking the other way.  Now if they had MO MONEY and 3 more organiztions to spy domestically on kenobi's maybe they would have enough time to wake up from their nap and look the other direction too!  Even MO MONEY yet and just maybe Emperor Palpatine would have read the mound of warnings he had and took action on them.  Come one you all, we have to give them all a big raise!  That will fix it!

i better get a gold star for this one!

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RE: Hold the true terrorists responsible - 3/2/2007 3:45:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

rule i found one of the links i promised ya:

Planes of 911 Exceeded Their Software Limits

http://www.viewzone.com/FMCS.jpg

http://www.viewzone.com/911revisited.html

Two of the aircraft exceeded their software limits on 9/11. The Boeing 757 and 767 are equipped with fully autonomous flight capability, they are the only two Boeing commuter aircraft capable of fully autonomous flight. They can be programmed to take off, fly to a destination and land, completely without a pilot at the controls.

Thank you, RO. I do not know what to do with this information, though. These past couple of weeks I have determined that there were none of the alleged commercial planes at P nor S. Thus only one plane appears to have in fact existed. I suspect that it flew at a directional homing beacon that had been planted in the South Tower.

I found and lost a rare text in which the crew of the c130 is said to have rested a couple of days at Andrews before taking of on 911. I hope that someone else will be able to retrieve it.

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