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RE: STDs in older people - 6/22/2004 4:01:28 PM   
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I will say hands down that infectious diseases (not necessarily HIV, but things like Heb B and C, and syphyllis) are HUGE among the 50+ crowd, much of it being undiagnosed. I am forever amazed at the 60, 70 and 80 year old referrals that come back positive for something that family was completely unaware of.


I think the fact that so many people think they are disease free when they're not really contributes to the spread of these diseases. In my opinion most people who know they carry an STD do everything they can to keep from passing it.

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RE: STDs in older people - 6/23/2004 1:45:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		As I said, I'm sorry I don't have specific numbers, and that's mainly because I'm dealing with a segemented part of the population (part of three different states -- 166 hospitals all total) and folks specifically on a ventilator. It's a very segemental number.

I'm sorry that you feel I've got nothing "credible" to contribute, however, it certainly opened my eyes to something I was completely unaware of. If my experience can help ONE person from coming down with illnesses in my mind that are far worse than HIV (the hepatitis strains), I thought it would be worth sharing....however, I'll save my energy next time, since it's apparent that you're the resident expert.

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RE: STDs in older people - 6/23/2004 1:46:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: proudsub

I think the fact that so many people think they are disease free when they're not really contributes to the spread of these diseases. In my opinion most people who know they carry an STD do everything they can to keep from passing it.


You're correct. Ignorance is bliss, yanno?

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RE: STDs in older people - 6/23/2004 1:52:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

From a personal view, I fill out (truthfully) the questionnaire each time I donate blood products, have none of the associated risk factors, and have regular medical check-ups to make sure I remain healthy.

But then I work a job that has considerable risk for me personally, and I want to make sure I dont have something happen which will make me have to retire either in person or be carried out of class in a body bag. So I like to cover all bases.



I'm missing something -- one statement that you're not at risk, and in the next paragraph, you are at risk.

If you're at risk for contracting a communicable disease at your workplace, they're *required* by law to not only educate you and provide you proper PPE for your required tasks, but they're also compelled to provide you routine testing to ensure they're not causing you to take something home with you. If you've experienced an on-the-job exposure, you report it, and your workers comp covers the testing (and that's ongoing, not just once.) If you personally feel that you need to be tested and you're employed with insurance, your healthcare provider will give you the requisite referrals and you can get tested. Or, you can go the cheap, anonymous route and go to a clinic (public health dept, aids clinic or Planned Parenthood) and get serologically tested.

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RE: STDs in older people - 6/23/2004 3:12:49 PM   
January


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I think Sinergy is a bank robber.

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RE: STDs in older people - 6/23/2004 4:18:04 PM   
Estring


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Status: offline 		Pandora lighten up. No one said you couldn't state your opinion. My whole point is that the numbers do not back up your assertions. You are entitled to your opinion and I'm sure you are doing good things for people, but don't take it personally if I don't agree with you. Especially when the facts are on my side.

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RE: STDs in older people - 6/23/2004 7:01:20 PM   
Sinergy


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I'm missing something -- one statement that you're not at risk, and in the next paragraph, you are at risk.


Two different risks. I am not at risk for communicating infectious diseases.

I put on a padded suit, make women angry, who then kick me as hard as they can in their adrenal psychotic anger frenzy. The risk I am referring to is an errant kick and a poorly positioned knee could mean I walk with a cane the rest of my life. Or repeated blows to the head cause me to drool like an embicil around the age of 43.

On the other hand, what comes to mind is the comedian who said "Whats up with people saying smoking takes 10 years off your life? Those years suck anyway."

Im not sure this is an opinion, so I suspect I cannot be wrong.

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RE: STDs in older people - 7/3/2004 9:55:28 AM   
MistressDREAD


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Status: offline 		hahahahah
I LOVE IT!!
Estrings gotta
new umm errrr
shnaggler giggles
Pandora dont worry
He will grow on Ya
~wink~
and
Sinergy
if You drink
public water
you are at risk
at anytime of
contracting
a infectious
desease...Much
less having
Your drool thrown
throughout the
air and into the
membrains of
others noses
if you did happen
to have sumthing
to pass on. Ya know
those lil buggies show
up at the most
worse times.
Wrong or Right
The fact of the
matter is that
One seventh
of the Worlds
population knows
they have sumthing
bad and We can
only hope that they
do not try to pass it
on and for each one
that knows they have
sumthing there are
three whom have
the same thing and
dont know it. Think
about those statistics
with out actual numbers
to confuse your brains.
Id say thats faily scarry
for anyone with half a
pea brain. ~smiles~

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RE: STDs in older people - 7/3/2004 11:58:28 AM   
Sinergy


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if You drink
public water
you are at risk
at anytime of
contracting
a infectious
desease...


I wrote "communicating an infectious disease" not "contracting an infectious disease."

Communicating is giving a disease to somebody else, contracting is getting it myself.

Mr. Tiny is forced to endure latex play, much to his chagrin. But I prefer everybody goes home safe.

Sinergy

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RE: STDs in older people - 7/4/2004 6:12:09 AM   
MistressDREAD


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Status: offline 		Yes Sinergy but I was using that as the
basis from where it started from and
then passed on as well. Get it?Contracting
then Communicating, and My point is
its not a age issue.

I was showing hypothetically drinking the
water and gaining a std then you throwing
it in your drool to a unsuspecting student.
oooooh I guess My words were just over
your head. sorry.

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RE: STDs in older people - 7/4/2004 12:31:39 PM   
Estring


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RE: STDs in older people - 9/4/2004 11:03:56 PM   
PranksterBitch


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Status: offline 		I read a report that the reason for the rise in HIV in those over 55 is due to Viagra. There are a lot of older folks in Assisted Living centers and retirement homes that are taking viagra and now getting their grooove on again. Unfortunately, they aren't worried about pregnancy any longer, so they aren't aware of the dangers. They've begun educating them now though. Over 55 and under 25 are the largest HIV newly diagnosed age groups right now.

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RE: STDs in older people - 9/5/2004 5:18:10 PM   
NoCalOwner


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My stepbrother, a hemophiliac, died slowly and horribly from AIDS. At least one of his girlfriends also died due to "mythical" heterosexual transmission, even though he knew that he always needed to use a condom. Condoms break sometimes... *shrug* I guess we'll never know for sure, since all parties concerned are deceased. I have no idea whether or not any of his girlfriends passed it on.

A woman I went to university with also died of mythical transmission because her boyfriend had previously had a fling with someone who, he later found out, was an ex-IV drug user.

When I was buying our current house, we got to know the former tenants. There was one very gay man who was debilitated by AIDS, and his formerly straight-identified, but now obviously bisexual boyfriend -- who, just coincidentally, was a leather Dom. They had seen each other for some time before openly getting together, if only because that meant the the (newly) bi guy would have to leave and divorce his wife, something that he was hesitant about. How would you feel if you were in the ex-wife's shoes? If heterosexual transmission is a myth, then I suppose she shouldn't bother to get tested, and that nobody should worry about having unprotected sex with her?

In Africa, the number of women with HIV is beginning to pass up the men, because most of the transmission is heterosexual, and it is much more easily passed to women than men in that way. There are currently over 13 million African women infected as a result. And guys, don't get overconfident, if you are uncircuncized, for example, you are about 6 times more likely to get HIV heterosexually than cut guys are.

In the US, 15% of HIV cases in men are now the result of heterosexual transmission. Among US women, 75% get it that way. Women now account for close to 1/3 of all new HIV diagnoses in the US. The infection rate has been quite steady lately, around 42,000 new cases a year. That means that 38 American women and 12 American men will get HIV from heterosexual sex today. Unless I am mistaken, today there will not be 50 Americans who win the lottery. See: http://www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/aidsstat.htm#1

Of course, this still means that only about 1/700 of the US population, overall, are HIV+. Where I live, it's closer to 2%, because there is a big GLBT community and a larger than average percentage of tweekers. But even if I lived in a low-risk area, I would not go around having unprotected sex. About 70% of adult Americans are HPV+, 18-25% are HSV+, and very few of those people have symptoms. Today, due to HPV, 35 American women were diagnosed with cervical cancer, and another 13 died of it. More will have their babies die due to congenital HSV, and HSV exposure to the eyes will cause blindness in others. I'm not enthusiastic about wearing condoms, but I don't want bad things to befall the women who have sex with me. I don't want them freaking out because their pap smear came back marked "abnormal" -- something which happens to many millions of American women, almost always as a result of HPV. I recently had a young friend panicking over her bad pap smear. She had had sex with 4 guys in her life, and 2 of those were one night stands. Neither she or her partner had ever had any synptoms of an STD. When I think of another friend, one who is part of this lifestyle, and her recent statement that she'd had over 100 partners, I have to believe that we are a high risk group. If she always used a condom with 80% of those partners, and only 20% of her partners had gotten around as much as her, that still means that having unprotected sex with her exposes one to the cooties of at least several thousand people. That makes the 1/700 HIV rate not seem so low at all. In my neighborhood, where she also lives, the 1/50ish HIV rate forces one to stop and think things over.

The differences in age groups I take as not reflecting anything more than how much people in that age group get around. If old people screwed around like people in their 20s, I'm sure they'd have the same infection rate. Me, I'm 47 and my slave's 27, so I'm at the same risk as a 27 year old. Or at the risk of a dirty old man, which is probably higher. I don't know what I'd do without those annoying latex doodads.

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RE: STDs in older people - 9/5/2004 6:36:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		I just want to point out that some folks might want totally anonymous testing and if they
live in a state like New York they can not get it. In New York if some one tests positive
they MUST BE REPORTED TO THE STATE.

I have been tested in connection with an insurance policy. I knew that I had very little
chance of being positive, but I still hated the idea that if a positive had come back that it would
be reported to the goverment.

So I really think we need true anon & discrete testing in all of the USA.

Unless the partner pool is strictly limited, like a Dom and the associated herd of subs,
who are not playing outside the herd then unfortunantly latex is a must.
I hate it, but prefer to live with it to the random chance of getting something that will
have a very negative impact on my life and that of members of any sub herd I am "tending".

I love the smells and tastes of sex, but I can LIVE without the tastes, and so can
any subs that I interact with.

CaptainBlack

Now for a totally off topic question.......Do subs come in herds, and where do I find
a good herd?

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RE: STDs in older people - 9/5/2004 6:46:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Estring

And watch out for those airplanes that might crash on your head. Or being struck by lightning.


As some one that watched people jump out of the burning twin towers in NYC, and some one
that lost a friend in the collapse, and some one that participated in the efforts in the ground zero area for several weeks of 18 hour a day unpaid shifts I find that comment rather offensive.

Maybe being 3500 miles away makes you forget that folks do die when planes fall on them.
I see the missing part of the NYC skyline everyday and am reminded everyday of all those folks who died that day, and who's ashes drifted all across the city.



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RE: STDs in older people - 9/5/2004 8:35:46 PM   
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Maybe being 3500 miles away makes you forget that folks do die when planes fall on them.

And maybe being in NYC makes you forget that the probablity of such events happening to any individual is virtually nil. How many billions of people are there on the planet, and how many get killed from airplanes falling on their heads?

By the way, a few months ago there was an earthquake in Iran that killed 20,000. I know, they're just a bunch of foreigners so it's easy to ignore their fates. But it just goes to show you that in terms of probability, Mother Nature is a far bigger threat to our safety than airplanes.

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RE: STDs in older people - 9/5/2004 11:31:40 PM   
Estring


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Status: offline 		How in the hell did you turn my statement into an insult to the 9/11 tragedy. How dare you. Did you even read the context of the statement? It had nothing to do with 9/11. There were two plane crashes in Russia last week. Is it an insult to 9/11 to mention that too? Give me a break!

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RE: STDs in older people - 9/6/2004 1:47:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have been noticing an increase in my area of older people engaging in unprotected sex, some saying they are allergic to the latex. But most of the males say that the "rubber" doesn't let them feel enough to keep hard. So I guess for those males they haven't joined the viagra crowd yet. Since it is not required to have an HIV test with routine physicals I wonder how many of these older people were infecting others in their late 30's and 40's, before they developed symptoms? Sundew

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RE: STDs in older people - 9/6/2004 11:48:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Sundew02

I have been noticing an increase in my area of older people engaging in unprotected sex, some saying they are allergic to the latex. But most of the males say that the "rubber" doesn't let them feel enough to keep hard.


Sheesh. Tell them to use polyurethane condoms (Sagami, Avanti, etc.) and wear a cock ring or something. Such lame excuses! It's a pity the way some people get to retirement age without having grown up.

Afterthought: it is possible that some may object to condoms because they're thinking of the one-size-fits-all, thick and overlubed Trojans of an earlier era. If so, let them know that there are WAY better ones available now, at www.goodvibes.com, or any of a number of places. If they try out several kinds, I KNOW that they will be very pleasantly surprised.

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RE: STDs in older people - 9/6/2004 12:57:19 PM   
Estring


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I have been noticing an increase in my area of older people engaging in unprotected sex, some saying they are allergic to the latex.


Sundew, are you peeking in peoples' windows or what?

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