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ISO Answers RE: Needle(s) Play - 2/4/2007 1:08:36 AM

xxxWENCHxxx

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Hello O/one and A/all,

i have an interest in needle play (particularly for my nipple and nipple area only; not sure about labial piercings yet but comment if Y/you wish, i will take
all suggestions/recommendations to heart thank Y/you).
i am not looking to turn this into "edge play" now or ever so please don't even bother going there thanx ... i am leaning towards just the erotic high from piercings if that makes any sense ??!!??!!

i do know the larger the number the smaller the needle ... logically this makes sense .... where are these purchased ??? Y/you can't just use regular sewing needles can Y/you ??? how deep should the needle actually go ??? is it wise to learn as Y/you go ??

i would like to hear from any O/one who has expericne doing this as well as experience being pierced please ...

respectfully and obediently,

wench

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RE: ISO Answers RE: Needle(s) Play - 2/4/2007 6:56:19 AM

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I very much enjoy needles in the white flesh around my nipples.
Be very careful to wipe your breast w/alcohol, to have him wash his hand and glove the hand he's using to insert the needles, and to wipe the area after the needles come out to keep everything sterile.
Other than that eat something about an hour before you start and have a glass of juice after you're done so you don't feel faint or pass out.
We put the used needles in a empty soda bottle. I take then to my GYN to throw away as it's illegal here in MD to put sharps containers in the trash.
Good luck to you,
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RE: ISO Answers RE: Needle(s) Play - 2/4/2007 10:23:23 PM

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Most people i know buy hypos from on-line vet supply companies. They tend to run 10-12 dollars plus shipping for a box of 100. There are a handful of BDSM-specific, and some piercing sites that will also sell them. For temporary/"play" piercing, 22ga-18 gauge needles are generally used. If you're experimenting for the first time, go with the numerically higher (thus, as you said, thinner) needles.

Sewing needles are duller (thus will hurt more and are more likely to scar), and do not come pre-sterilized like piercing or hypodermic needles, and are usually nickle/chrome plating over a cheap metal alloy, thus more likely to cause a reaction. For the money you save, they're not worth it.

Is it wise to learn by trial and error? Not especially. Can it be done without unnecessary medical bills? Yes, if you do your homework and use common sense.

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RE: ISO Answers RE: Needle(s) Play - 2/4/2007 10:42:26 PM

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Use new, sterile hypodermic needles, like are sold for insulin injection by diabetics.

Like these for instance. Not a plug for that supplier, I've never dealt with them, I just found them by searching right now. They should be obtainable locally in most places.

These are hollow needles that have a slanted, sharpened tip. They do not cut a round hole, but only a slit through which the round needle is pushed. They do not remove flesh. This is important - you want the wounds left to heal cleanly.

Cleanliness is very important. Use each needle once only, then dispose as biohazard waste. The needles should come with alcohol wipes for sterilizing the pierced areas. Use one on the surface immediately before piercing. Press another one to the entrance area and hold in place as the needle is withdrawn later. Grease each needle with antibiotic ointment before piercing, this acts both as a lubricant and an additional layer of protection against infection.

Be very careful where you pierce. Most areas where you can pinch off a bit of skin are safe, but if you aren't sure don't do it. You do NOT want to sever a blood vessel or a nerve doing this.

Another option is to use acupuncture needles. These are solid, not hollow, and do not have the slanted sharpened edge like the hypos. They actually *pierce* rather than slicing a narrow slit to push through. This would be a VERY bad thing BUT they are incredibly tiny - smaller around than one of your hairs. I wouldn't recommend putting one in your eye or anything silly like that of course, but they're probably safer than the other kind because the holes they poke are so very small. Like the others they come in sterile, sealed packages. They should be used ONE time and disposed of. Be very clean, in a clean area, use alcohol on the skin immediately prior to piercing.

This post is for purposes of sharing information only, I am NOT recommending anyone do this. I STRONGLY encourage you NOT to play with this without the help of someone already experienced in it. Done properly it's quite safe but SERIOUS, PERMANENT damage can result from a newbie mistake. In most local scenes there is someone who can teach you. Many piercing studios are good places to inquire, as well. Above all be cautious and don't do anything you aren't sure of.

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RE: ISO Answers RE: Needle(s) Play - 2/5/2007 12:53:21 AM

xxxWENCHxxx

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Thank Y/you A/all ....

i appreciate the time Y/you took to share on this ....

i hope this thread stays open so more people can read and share.... i havent posted much, i'm still fairly new to everything and love everything i've learned .......

again, my thanks

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RE: ISO Answers RE: Needle(s) Play - 2/5/2007 3:35:47 AM

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We get our needles from the pharmacy. I guess one thing I could add to this thread...nerves take a long time to heal. Don't let anyone pierce you who doesn't know what they are doing.

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RE: ISO Answers RE: Needle(s) Play - 2/5/2007 8:30:55 PM

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wench,

The greatest advice I can offer is to seek out a class or a very experienced player/professional who can give you (and your play partner, if you'll be doing this together) a private class. It helps to physically see someone piercing correctly, to have them correct your technique, show you how to make it hurt more or less. Please don't listen to someone just because they say they know how to do it or that they've done it before. As with any activity in which you risk your life (Needle sticks! Infection!), you will be so much better off with expert advice!

At the risk of seeming critical of the others who have generously offered their advice, I must say a few things. Alcohol is NOT sterile, and at best it simply "confuses" the pathogens. Most latex exam gloves are not sterile. There are many levels of safety which you can practice, but it is nearly impossible to practice with sterile technique outside of an operating room. As pointed out by suzanne, low blood sugar is the failure of many a hot piercing scene- don't fall victim to it! Eat! Be hydrated! Unlike Raphael, I never run my needles through antibiotic ointment. I understand the theory behind it, but don't know any professional who does this when they pierce. I also do not wipe with alcohol immediately before piercing unless I want the bottom to feel the added sting on freshly broken skin which had already been sterilized with something more effective. For most piercings, suturings, or other skin-breaking play I use Technicare, which is a professional grade antimicrobial surgical prep which is relatively hypoallergenic, fast-acting, and kills nearly everything. For pokey things, many people like KinkyMedical.net, or other BDSM-flavoured medical supply sites. I order all of my sharps from veterinary supply companies, like Revival Animal Health or Cal Vet Supply. Like Raphael, I do like accupuncture needles and non-hypo sharps for different kinds of play, but I would suggest you begin at the beginning with a few nice 25g or 27g needles and a fresh roll of paper towels. You can bring your sharps to most pharmacies or clinics, but the rules and regulations around acquisition and disposal of sharps will vary by state. Here in California I must order my needles by mail, but I can get a free sharps disposal container at any Walgreens and trade it in full for a fresh, empty one. They can generally be ordered online or bought at the drugstore in most states.

If anyone would like a private lesson, I travel quite a bit!

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RE: ISO Answers RE: Needle(s) Play - 2/5/2007 9:12:43 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MissViolette
The greatest advice I can offer is to seek out a class or a very experienced player/professional who can give you (and your play partner, if you'll be doing this together) a private class. It helps to physically see someone piercing correctly, to have them correct your technique, show you how to make it hurt more or less. Please don't listen to someone just because they say they know how to do it or that they've done it before. As with any activity in which you risk your life (Needle sticks! Infection!), you will be so much better off with expert advice!

YES, exactly!

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Unlike Raphael, I never run my needles through antibiotic ointment. I understand the theory behind it, but don't know any professional who does this when they pierce.

Well, the ones that I learned from did. ;)

It always seemed to work well that way. I've never gone without it using hypos, so I guess I can't compare with and without really, but I can't imagine how it could do anything but good.

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I also do not wipe with alcohol immediately before piercing unless I want the bottom to feel the added sting on freshly broken skin which had already been sterilized with something more effective. For most piercings, suturings, or other skin-breaking play I use Technicare, which is a professional grade antimicrobial surgical prep which is relatively hypoallergenic, fast-acting, and kills nearly everything.

Absolutely true that your surgical prep is going to be a lot more effective than an alcohol swab. I doubt it's *necessary*, assuming you're in a clean environment, using fresh needles and so forth... but it certainly can't hurt.

I really think if you're in a reasonably clean environment, observing protocol with the needles (sealed, sterile needles, used immediately after opening and never reused) infection isn't a huge worry. It's nasty if it happens, but I've only known of it happening when people were doing something obviously dumb, like re-using needles or not washing first.

But the very thought of slicing a nerve with one of those things... that scares me. And no, I've never known of it happening. But I know it would be very easy to do.

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RE: ISO Answers RE: Needle(s) Play - 2/11/2007 6:58:33 AM

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I would not do any needle play with anyone whom I was not fluid bonded with. The piercer can be stuck with the used needle when it is with drawn, or, worse yet, to my way of thinking, he can be stuck with it when he inserts it......the needle has to be pulled back through the skin, and even if an attempt is made to disinfect the point, it is still contaminated, making you "blood brothers", for better or worse, in terms of infection risk. People always think of HIV first when needle sticks are mentioned, but Hepatitis B and C are much more common, and can be transmitted with a much smaller blood exposure than HIV.

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RE: ISO Answers RE: Needle(s) Play - 2/11/2007 8:09:40 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: xxxWENCHxxx

Hello O/one and A/all,

i have an interest in needle play (particularly for my nipple and nipple area only; not sure about labial piercings yet but comment if Y/you wish, i will take
all suggestions/recommendations to heart thank Y/you).
i am not looking to turn this into "edge play" now or ever so please don't even bother going there thanx ... i am leaning towards just the erotic high from piercings if that makes any sense ??!!??!!

i do know the larger the number the smaller the needle ... logically this makes sense .... where are these purchased ??? Y/you can't just use regular sewing needles can Y/you ??? how deep should the needle actually go ??? is it wise to learn as Y/you go ??

i would like to hear from any O/one who has expericne doing this as well as experience being pierced please ...

respectfully and obediently,

wench

Sterilization is of utmost importance, which is why I wouldn't recommend using sewing needles. I have a physican friend who gets me disposable medical needles but I'm not sure whether you get them from a website on your own. (?)

I use the needles on the nipples and scrotum and do push it all the way through.

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RE: ISO Answers RE: Needle(s) Play - 2/11/2007 10:21:48 AM

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nyrisa,

A wise choice on your behalf! There are a lot of Professional Ladies I know who don't do piercing because it is too risky/intimate for their tastes. One thing though: if you DO stick yourself on the insertive pass (more common than sticking yourself with a needle just removed), you should never draw it back through the piercee. the needle should be sheared and drawn out in the opposite direction rather than back through the puncture. This way, while piercer has already been stuck and risked contamination, at least the piercee is not being further exposed.

In bed with a cold,
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RE: ISO Answers RE: Needle(s) Play - 2/12/2007 1:09:31 AM

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Y/you have all been great ... thank Y/you so much for all the info from all aspects of this ... i am now armed with enough that i feel confident to do battle with the why this will not be done to me ....

i had originally asked this question because i wondered if a nipple was tortured enough <bitten, pulled, twisted, etc.> to where it was hot to the touch and red < making it very tender and sensitive > then how " intense " could it possibly be to pierce the skin .... it is very erotic in looks from what pictures i have seen .... my Master wishes to do this to me but i have reservations and He is allowing me to consider this via the research .... so Y/you all have helped me tremendously ....

as i am a new slave, < have been learning all i can for the last three years and only recently started in r/t with my Master > and learning to push my limits as a painslut, i thought this was something i could do to please my Master .... it will stay on the back burner for a while yet .... when i am more confident i believe it could happen ...

so thank Y/you A/all once again .... i'll leave the thread open awhile longer as it seems to be a much needed topic for discussion ....

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