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RiotGirl -> Docs, meds, idiots (3/7/2005 6:50:48 PM)
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FelinePersuasion -> RE: Docs, meds, idiots (3/7/2005 9:42:25 PM)
LOL yeah just because they have a phd does not mean they know what they're doing, I was put on one med that had to take another med to control the side effects of first med.

Dev10usM1nd -> RE: Docs, meds, idiots (3/7/2005 10:30:23 PM)
One of the worst facts about the medical profession today is that many doctors tend to put too much faith in medication, believing that medicine can fix anything. The truth of the matter is that, although many medicines are highly effective in most people, there are no miracle cures and medicines sometimes just don't work the way they are designed for some people; that is the whole reason behind side effects and allergies. (I don't want to put blame on any organization in particular, but I believe that the pharmacutical industry has had many physicians eating out of their hands for years) Sometimes effective treatment for an illness can be as simple as drinking more water and taking a vitamin; eating more fruit and getting more exercise; etc. Unfortunately many doctors overlook the actual case details, caring less about the patient and more about moving on to the next cure of the day. Sometimes a cure just isn't as simple as prescribing a pill, cream, or spray; most times the whole picture needs to be taken into account, and always a patient should be treated as an individual case rather than a cut and dried prepackaged medical anomaly or situation. I apologize for my ramblings, but I just get so upset when I hear about a case in which a doctor for either reasons of overconfidence or just simply lack of attention to detail fails to properly prescribe treatment. It degrades the trust that we have for the medical system by needlessly risking the well-being of patients. There is no excuse for a doctor overlooking something in a case, let alone twice; there are no perfect people in this world, but in the medical field there is no room for mistakes, and doctors must be perfect, or someone invariably gets hurt. -Ray-

ShiftedJewel -> RE: Docs, meds, idiots (3/8/2005 3:54:06 AM)
quote: LOL yeah just because they have a phd does not mean they know what they're doing, I was put on one med that had to take another med to control the side effects of first med. I know a guy that happened to FP, only now he is on about 26 different meds a DAY!! I quit relying on doctors years ago. I was diagnosed with bleeding ulsers so he put me on one pill for the stomach cramps, a few weeks later another pill to stop the diarhea that the first one could, but at that time hadn't, cause. Then a few weeks later still another med, this on was to keep the meds I was taking from messing up my stomach!!! How much of that made any sense???? So they all went into the trash and I'm just fine today! Jewel

velvetvixen -> RE: Docs, meds, idiots (3/8/2005 4:53:05 AM)
Someone graduated at the top of the class in medical school and someone graduated at the bottom. Unfortunately once they pass the exams, both are given the same rights and responsibilities that come with the license. It is more unfortunate that you were the unwitting recipient of the latter's less than stellar medical care. I hope you beginning to feel more like you should and wish you much luck in finding a better fit for your physician.

perverseangelic -> RE: Docs, meds, idiots (3/8/2005 9:30:17 AM)
God I hate doctors sometimes. I had to change my doctor three times before I found one who would treat me like a human and disucss medication decitions with me. I got tired of being perscribed medicine and being told "it's good for you. Just take it" When I asked what it did, what it was for and what side effects could be. I feel for you, over here, and hope you work this out. I -do- believe in medication for some conditions (read: mine) but I've gone through the agony of dose adjustment. It sucks.

RiotGirl -> RE: Docs, meds, idiots (3/8/2005 10:44:53 AM)
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MizSuz -> RE: Docs, meds, idiots (3/8/2005 2:34:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: perverseangelic but I've gone through the agony of dose adjustment. It sucks. Hear here! I too hope the OP gets what she needs. Trileptal has worked quite well for me and I've had significantly less side effects with it than with the others (and it's no where near as hard on the liver as many of the others are). I won't take it during the day unless I don't need to be active so my doctor works with me to get my doses as nighttime only (and it helps me get that so very critical sleep). In December I had some significant difficulties in my life and my doses were dramatically increased to compensate. It was hard, but not as hard as being kicked into a cycle would have been. Since then I've modified and settled the things in my life that were so stressful and am now adjusting my doses back down to where they were pre-crisis (under my doc's supervision). But then, my doc listens to me and values my input. He trusts me to be an active participant in my health care and knows that a 'because I said so' answer to my questions will have me looking for another doctor. I trust him to listen to my concerns and take them into account in his choices. I take Trileptal as a mood stabilizer, but if I took it without also taking an antidepressant then I would be WAY DOWN into depression in short order. That's what it sounds like happened to the OP and it makes sense if she is indeed bipolar. I wonder if she was also taking an antidepressant or only the trileptal? For me, since beginning trileptal I have been able to get rid of a significant number of other meds I was taking. It's worked quite well for me (and also for another family member). Perhaps the medication just isn't right for her. <shrug> It happens (sometimes frequently). For those of us that meds work for it can often be a trial finding the right medications and dosages and perseverence pays, but it can be an extremely difficult road to find.

RiotGirl -> RE: Docs, meds, idiots (3/8/2005 5:26:56 PM)
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RiotGirl -> RE: Docs, meds, idiots (3/8/2005 5:29:18 PM)
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MizSuz -> RE: Docs, meds, idiots (3/9/2005 12:48:56 PM)
CAVEAT I'm not a doctor, I'm a person who manages her own mental health quite closely. quote: ORIGINAL: RiotGirl Hi Mz Suz Yes, it was only the trileptal he gave me for the first month. It had my life into a major uproar. When he upped the dosage to 600 at night and in the morning he also added serquiol.. starting at 50 one night, 100 the next.. i only made it too the hundred as i had that really weird experience. i am indeed looking for another doc. Ya know, I know a couple of people who had great success with seroquel. I, and someone else I know, did NOT do well on seroquel (I had a few 'weird' moments on seroquel, too); and it was a cummulative degradation as I increased the dose kinda-thing, apparently like you. It's like anything else, I suppose. You have to find what works for you. Trileptal and seroquel are different kinds of medications and given (generally) for different kinds of things. One's an anti-seizure medication (being prescribed in an 'off-label' kind of way) and the other is an anti-psychotic (possibly also being prescribed in an 'off-label' kind of way). Is the doctor who put you on these medications a general practitioner or a psychiatrist? I tend to think that if I'm going to take meds that are being prescribed in an 'off-label' way (like trileptal and depakote for mood stabilization) I'd prefer to be advised by someone who is most likely to be up-to-date on the studies and literature, i.e. a specialist. I try to avoid using phychiatrists that do their primary practice in public service simply because I wonder if they are too busy to 'read the lastest paper' or too under-funded to 'attend the most recent symposium.' That could be a total stereotype, but it's mine and I own it. quote: ORIGINAL: RiotGirl Ohh.. the last time i saw him i managed to get an anxiety med (buspirone) from him as well.. and depakote. When i was 17, depekote and celexia (i think its spelled) seemed to work.... but he wouldnt give me the anti depressant Interesting choice for anti-anxiety. I don't have personal experience with it. For me, use of benzodiazepines bridge the gaps. I don't use anti-anxieties regularly and find that if I need them often then I probably need a dosage adjustment with my other meds, a lifestyle change, or some combination of the two. Depakote is also an anti-seizure medication (I think - been a while so I'd need to look it up) rx'd in an 'off-label' way for mood stabilization. Depakote wasn't a good choice for me but it sounds like it worked for you. I do believe celexa is an anti-depressant; taking an anti-depressant in conjunction with a mood stabilizer is a pretty common (and fairly successful) approach for bi-polar treatment. If you're going to take depakote you should be getting your blood levels drawn and liver function checked regularly. Do you? It's also a good idea to stay away from grapefruit when taking Depakote. If this is a new doctor (who wouldn't give you the anti-depressant) he may have wanted to try to 'stabilize' you before adding other medications. Or maybe he was afraid to because celexa is getting bad press (especially if rx'd to young people) these days. Or perhaps you were bouncing all over his office when he saw you so he didn't think something akin to a mood elevator was in order. The only way to know why he made the choices he did is to ask him. If you're looking for another doc then it's moot. I'd encourage you to enter into new doctor/patient relationships as if you are interviewing the doctor as much as he is assessing you. I'd also encourage you to insist that the doctor explain what he is giving you and why he is giving it to you, insist that he help you understand the potential side effects and what risks you may be taking in taking that medication. In short, what is his PLAN for you and what should you expect to experience by following his plan? Then make sure he cares about what your plan for yourself is. As I said before, I do not care to take medications during the day and my doctor is sensitive to my concern for that. I am NOT ok with hand-tremors and I'd rather take something that is less potentially harmful to my soft organs (liver especially). What is important to you may be different. There's other ways you can help yourself be well. Get to know what sets you off and set up plans to not let yourself go there. I find that I can gauge when I am at risk of having trouble by observing a number of things in my life. 1. My sleep patterns. If I don't get regular sleep for any length of time I get more than 'a little bitchy.' Other people get a little bitchy, I get sick. It's ok to not sleep well occasionally. It's not ok for me to not sleep well usually. 2. Some times in life we get depressed. It happens and it's natural, especially in response to difficult things. Being stuck in depression, having recurring suicidal or homicidal thoughts (even if there is no plan to do them), sleeping or being tired too often for more than a few days is worthy of closer examination. 3. Being the life of the party happens and going through unusually productive times is normal. It's normal to have times when we are inordinately horny or when we may want to splurge on things. Experiencing all of these things (or urges to these things) at the same time for more than a few days, especially if punctuated by a short-fused quick temper, is a sign. I look closer. 4. If I find myself in a cycle I get committed to working with my doctor to getting stabilized and I reduce my stress (which requires recognizing where the stress is coming from). My stability is the first priorty in my life, before all others. 5. Being otherwise ill can often set off a cycle. Diarrhea, the flu, etc., are all ways that our bodies gets stressed. They can have an effect and it's worthwhile to pay attention to dramatic mood swings if we become otherwise ill. It's always important to stay well hydrated. 6. I always feel better in general when I get a regular diet and exercise regimen going and stick to it. I can go for years with no or little problems; and as I've gotten better at knowing myself I find that I head the bad stuff off long before it's bad enough to turn my life upside down. Things are usually pretty damn good, actually. Now, that's how it works for me. You have to find what works for you. I wish you the best of luck in finding what works for you quickly, with little required adjustments or trials.

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