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RE: CALL OUT TO THE OLD GUARD - 2/5/2007 10:00:52 PM   
SimplyMichael


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Status: offline 		I Bet these two do a LOT of mentoring and people wonder why I despise people who go about striving to be mentors.

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RE: CALL OUT TO THE OLD GUARD - 2/5/2007 10:12:34 PM   
Superslave29


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Um no we are not trying to straighten you out as we have been in the life style for over 14 years but have you seen the girls that are only going on 18 who met a so called master on this sight and he treated her like gold until he had her and then beat the living crap out of her and made her go to the hospital more then a dozen times in 2 years and she is still recovering? We have seen more abuse since Christmas then in the prior 14 years that we have been together as we are very active in the community. (If this fire storm helps some of the very inexperienced new comers to be more cautious then it serves its purpose).

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RE: CALL OUT TO THE OLD GUARD - 2/5/2007 10:14:46 PM   
whisperedsighs


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Status: offline 		IN general,....Here is a lady with a more responsible way of addressing the issue...

http://www.collarchat.com/m_149477/tm.htm

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RE: CALL OUT TO THE OLD GUARD - 2/5/2007 10:16:36 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Superslave29

MstrssScarlet,

Um no we are not trying to straighten you out as we have been in the life style for over 14 years but have you seen the girls that are only going on 18 who met a so called master on this sight and he treated her like gold until he had her and then beat the living crap out of her and made her go to the hospital more then a dozen times in 2 years and she is still recovering? We have seen more abuse since Christmas then in the prior 14 years that we have been together as we are very active in the community. (If this fire storm helps some of the very inexperienced new comers to be more cautious then it serves its purpose).


Like I said: You think this only happens here?

Your OP didn't even address that issue. If you want to make a difference leave your keyboard and go volunteer in a woman's shelter. Then take a more understanding tone of voice. Remember that part of abuse is a frame of mind and you won't get anywhere insulting the abused person's partner. You will just make them clutch harder.

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RE: CALL OUT TO THE OLD GUARD - 2/5/2007 10:29:11 PM   
SimplyMichael


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Status: offline 		In my experience in running BDSM groups and playspaces, the ones who do as the poster does and triy to frighten everyone are the ones who almost always turn out to be the predators, the VERY worst ones.  They run around scaring people hoping some sucker will contact them and then they lure them in with how "safe" they are and once they got them they fuck em over bigtime.

Drama Drama Drama

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RE: CALL OUT TO THE OLD GUARD - 2/5/2007 10:37:26 PM   
BrutalDemon


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Lemme get this straight... if you've had 20 or more years real life (check) experience and are not one of these johnny-cum-lately cyber-doms or HNGs (check) that's, allegedly, ruining the otherwise rich pickings for us "Genuine" types... we are supposed to band together to rid cyberspace of the intolerant, one dimensional, asshats that are giving BDSM in general and Online BDSM in particular, a bad name. Because if we don't act collectively now, it's all going to go to hell in a hurry.

Is that just about the gist of the OP?

Wellllll... speaking as an Old Fart (note: NOT Old Guard, hate the misuse of the term)... I find the assumption that I fit into any pidgeonhole and will blindly follow someone based on the spurious idea that I obviously share their ideals (wether I do or not is besides the point) to be bordering on Dogma.

If you trully belong to the generation that is so often erroneously refered to as 'Old Guard', one of the first things you should have learned, is that you do not try to interfer with another Dominant uninvited. Secondly, you do not presume to speak for any other Dominant without their explicit say so. And, most importantly of all, there is NO 'right way' to do things.

Yes, the kids do it differently to the way we have done it in the past... just as we did it differently to the way our predecessors did it before us. No two relationships are the same... and if you're not involved in that relationship, you can kindly butt out!

Honestly... these days, you can lead a collared sub down the street in most metropolitan areas without that much of a fuss. So long as you're careful about the local decency ordinances, you should be okay. A BDSM club is now no more likely to be raided than any other club or bar, and then only by the local equivalent of the Narcotics Division... no more "Let's go crack open the heads of a bunch of queers and freaks"

All these years we've been persecuted by various "moral" groups and law enforcement agencies, when all we've ever wanted is tollerance and acceptance. Now that we're finally getting some of that tollerance, we're displaying exactly the same kinds of prejudices and intollerance to each other!

I get my jollies by (essentially, your kink may vary) chaining women up and whacking them on the ass with ping-pong bat... but to do that, I have to build trust. How can I do that when elements of, for want of a better discription, "our own community" are fostering mistrust and factionalist dogma?

SSC vs RACK... Compuserve Generation (MUCH better description than Old Guard) denigrating the Children of Yahoo... if BDSM was a religeon, historians could describe what's going on now as The Great Schism... it's turning into a Holy War... people are failing to adhere to YOUR One True Faith... Crucify the blasphemers... BURN THE HERETICS!!!!!!

Me?
I'm going to go back to being a sad, lonely individual, with all these urges and nobody to try them out on and too scared to even discuss it with other people in case they react badly to my particular deviancy... thanks a BUNCH guys.

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RE: CALL OUT TO THE OLD GUARD - 2/5/2007 10:37:26 PM   
Noah


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Superslave29
... we posted this it was to try and get idea's of how we can provent people from using this sight as a way to pick up young ladies and abuse them. Nothing more, so please if you have any sudjestions please feel free to contact Ethicaldom or DarkThunder.



Ethicaldom or darkthunder or superslave or whoever you are posting under whichever ID, the next time you want your original post to say:

"we posted this to try and get idea's of how we can provent people from using this sight as a way to pick up young ladies and abuse them. Nothing more, so please if you have any sudjestions please feel free to contact Ethicaldom or DarkThunder."

... I recommend you leave aside all the sanctimonious bullshit, apply those engineering skills to learning how to use a spell-checker, and post something along these lines:

quote:

We posted this to try and get ideas as to how we can all help prevent people from using this site as a way to pick up young ladies and abuse them, nothing more. If you have any suggestions please feel free to contact Ethicaldom or DarkThunder.


If your mission is to help prevent abuse and your strategy is to explicitly leave out and likely alienate everyone who doesn't identify as Old Guard, well I think this campaign is likely to be about as productive as that South East Asian adventure of yours.

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RE: CALL OUT TO THE OLD GUARD - 2/5/2007 11:25:42 PM   
maidheather


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quote:

ORIGINAL: BrutalDemon
SSC vs RACK


Wow ... now there's a phrase I haven't heard in conversation for awhile (Meaning RACK, not SSC)

A really scary phrase where I come from

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RE: CALL OUT TO THE OLD GUARD - 2/6/2007 12:22:25 AM   
Wulfchyld


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Ethicaldom

CALL OUT TO THE OLD GUARD



Wait!!!! I am sensing a... past life moment... Wait.... nope I was a lesbian then too.

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RE: CALL OUT TO THE OLD GUARD - 2/6/2007 12:28:08 AM   
Wulfchyld


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quote:

ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

I Bet these two do a LOT of mentoring and people wonder why I despise people who go about striving to be mentors.


I am here for Dementoring. Basically I will use, abuse, and confuse. Yep, thats about it.

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RE: CALL OUT TO THE OLD GUARD - 2/6/2007 12:30:43 AM   
BitaTruble


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Superslave29

I have been his collared Sub/Slave for 14 years and have been married for just over 10 years now


OK,  you were 19 and your Master was 45 when you first got together. What did you do to keep yourself safe and make sure that he wasn't going abuse you? Perhaps took some personal responsibility for your own safety or did you just get lucky? Any reason you can't advocate personal responsibility to the young ladies rather than try to tilt at windmills and police the site?

Share your story, share how it worked for you, what you did to make sure things were right for you and don't get your hopes up that there is a damn thing you can do to prevent any abuse to anyone.


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RE: CALL OUT TO THE OLD GUARD - 2/6/2007 12:47:57 AM   
NorthernGent


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Ethicaldom

          Clarification time, 'old guard' is NOT about age, it is about experience and beliefs.It is about having respect for others in this life, both Doms and Subs. We are not judging others lifestyle, that is between the two (or more) people involved.
         What  we are referring to are the Doms and Masters on here that feel that Subs and Slaves are nothing more than receptacles for there urges or a warm body to be abused. Certainly there are Subs that crave that type of relationship and that is their right. But I keep hearing over and over again from Subs how instead of finding a Dom that they can build a relationship with they find fakes or self serving liars. Many leaving the site  in disgust.
         A D/S relationship has to be based on trust and respect, if a Dom is dishonest from the start he isn't serious but just trying to 'play' someone who deserves better.
         As for fireproof clothing, I don't need any, I survived Viet Nam, I can survive this!
                                                         Ethicaldom


Fine. I agree. Having said this, I've read loads of posts with a similar theme so you're not exactly enlightening the masses (which appears to be the intention of your original post).

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RE: CALL OUT TO THE OLD GUARD - 2/6/2007 2:03:28 AM   
MsSonnetMarwood


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Ethicaldom

          Clarification time, 'old guard' is NOT about age, it is about experience and beliefs.It is about having respect for others in this life, both Doms and Subs. We are not judging others lifestyle, that is between the two (or more) people involved.
 

Actually, that's how you've decided to define the term, regardless of the origin and meaning of it.  It's commonly completely misused by folks who are trying basically say "Nyeah Nyeah we're better than you are" with mythical "Old Guard" connotations because hey, it sounds impressive to the newbies, even if the old hats think it's BS for the most part.

If the lifestyle truly is between the two folks who are involved in it - then it's between the two folks involved and you have no reason to worry, be concerned, or otherwise butt in to what they're doing.

Respect is an individual thing that is earned.  I don't know you, so I don't respect you.   I can however extend you common courtesy, and that's a human thing, with absolutely nothing to do with BDSM, vanilla, misused terms, or anything else.  

quote:

 
         What  we are referring to are the Doms and Masters on here that feel that Subs and Slaves are nothing more than receptacles for there urges or a warm body to be abused. Certainly there are Subs that crave that type of relationship and that is their right. But I keep hearing over and over again from Subs how instead of finding a Dom that they can build a relationship with they find fakes or self serving liars. Many leaving the site  in disgust.
         A D/S relationship has to be based on trust and respect, if a Dom is dishonest from the start he isn't serious but just trying to 'play' someone who deserves better.
        As for fireproof clothing, I don't need any, I survived Viet Nam, I can survive this!
                                                         Ethicaldom


So subs on here aren't finding the relationships they're looking for.  Oh well.   This isn't anything new under the sun, and there's plenty of "subs" who fall into the self serving liars and fakes category.   Honestly has absolutely zilch to do with whether one identifies as a dominant or a submissive or a couch potato or a Democrat or whatever.

Why do subs deserve the right to not have to deal with what every other person vanilla or otherwise who uses the internet as a means of meeting others has to deal with?  Are they somehow exempt from personal responsibility and have to be protected from the big bad internet?   Frankly I think there's a lot of subs out there that will get downright offended by the suggestion that some complete stranger knows what's best for them and will protect them.

Bottom line - I am an adult, and therefor I am responsible for 1. chosing to use an internet personals site; 2.  filtering through the crap by myself;  3.  making sure that I am taken care of.   That's a responsibility that's only mine, and it's no different for any other person who is an adult.



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RE: CALL OUT TO THE OLD GUARD - 2/6/2007 2:17:02 AM   
MsSonnetMarwood


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quote:

We have seen more abuse since Christmas then in the prior 14 years that we have been together as we are very active in the community.


When you say "seen"....are these people you've met or just subs you've spoken to online?

I ask because if I had to go by what I've seen online, I'd have some really really whacked perspectives of wide groups of people.  I'd have to assume that all married men cheat, that all males have penises that are either under 4 inches or over 9 inches, that no female sub has ever had a job having been raised since before the age of consent as a slave, and that Dommes are constantly relocating around the country never to be heard from again by their former subs.    However, as a reasonably rational adult who spends a lot of time interacting with other people, I also see the difference between "boys/girls behaving badly" online and how people are in the real world.  

If however you've seen a rash of domestic violence in your local scene on a sharp rise, then that's something you need to address at a community level - locally and face to face. 

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RE: CALL OUT TO THE OLD GUARD - 2/6/2007 4:20:06 AM   
KnightofMists


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How very appropriate!

As the OP is demonstrating... self-proclaimed years of experience is not an indication of tact, chrismastic skills or even thoughtful expression of the written word.  Thou  .. I respect the self-proclaimed intent of the thread (which raises questions of the hidden intent)..... the manner is third grade.

Editted to add:

Do you live in an apartment by chance?  Just trying to prove or disprove another booming theory

< Message edited by KnightofMists -- 2/6/2007 4:22:30 AM >

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RE: CALL OUT TO THE OLD GUARD - 2/6/2007 4:22:27 AM   
twicehappy


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Ethicaldom

CALL OUT TO THE OLD GUARD



You know i did know a few of the old guard back in the late '70's and i do not think they are going to help you.
 
You have already and apparently continue to violate one of their primary precepts; You are straight, at least your profile states you are straight.

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RE: CALL OUT TO THE OLD GUARD - 2/6/2007 4:27:52 AM   
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RE: CALL OUT TO THE OLD GUARD - 2/6/2007 4:39:58 AM   
twicehappy


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Wulfchyld


I am here for Dementoring. Basically I will use, abuse, and confuse. Yep, thats about it.


Caps, you forgot the domly caps!

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RE: CALL OUT TO THE OLD GUARD - 2/6/2007 4:49:39 AM   
dawntreader


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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

I see this thread as been moved to "Polls and Other Random Stupidity"
How very appropriate!

Editted to add:

Do you live in an apartment by chance?  Just trying to prove or disprove another booming theory


LMAO!!!!!!!!!! Very Good!!

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RE: CALL OUT TO THE OLD GUARD - 2/6/2007 4:56:47 AM   
gandalf0297


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Status: offline 		Well ethic ole boy I have good news and bad news. The bad news. Most of the old gaurd as you so put it are dead.
The good news:your still standing. Guess you won.  

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