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RE: bipolar? hmmm i didnt think so? - 2/9/2007 9:28:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		They also have another bi polar that is characterized mainly by the depression.  I forget what its called, but i was diagnosed with it when i was 17.  ::smiles:: i've been diagnosed with several of the different bi polar’s.  Ha!  i take it all with a grain of salt.  i find getting proper amounts of sleep and eating properly does wonders.  As does exercise and spending time out in the sun.  Dead serious on the sleep.  If i get good sleep - i'm generally A ok.  If i shirk on my sleep - god help all.  Lack of sleep seems to be an open window for my moods to swing out of control.

I've no clue what i am, other then the name i call myself - but i have found that there are just normal things one can do, to help them cope with life better.  Sleep, nutrition, exercise, and staying away from overloading your body with crap.  Caffeine and all the sick and disgusting crap they put in most of the foods these  days. 


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RE: bipolar? hmmm i didnt think so? - 2/9/2007 9:41:42 AM   
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Id never touch meds again.


yeah i feel you on the meds. 





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RE: bipolar? hmmm i didnt think so? - 2/9/2007 10:43:09 AM   
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Dead serious on the sleep. If i get good sleep - i'm generally A ok. If i shirk on my sleep - god help all. Lack of sleep seems to be an open window for my moods to swing out of control.




same with the sleep here. also skipping breakfast lol but its nice to see not everyone here depends on meds i got kinda sad a second lol .. its hard for me coz i was raised homeopathic and therefor just hate anything OTC in general - besides ricola or airborne. hehe


now that i see how mania can vary so much [by changing so little] it seems more like a possibility but i agree that exercise and nutrition is usually half the battle.

edit to add - oh my first paddle!

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RE: bipolar? hmmm i didnt think so? - 2/9/2007 3:50:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was disgnosed years ago as Bi-Polar - Depressive Type. From what i was told, it is more of a cycle from Depression to "normal" and back. The difference between that and Depression is the cycles.

Just remember there is no one else exactly like you and as my psych told me once, everyone else will know you need your meds changed WELL before you do. I find that is oh so true. I usually don't realize how bad I am until I can't do simple math anymore. It's like my brain slowly loses abilities. I've had to change meds every 3-4 years to maintain stability. The scarier part for me is once i get stable on new meds and i reexamine the last 6 mos to year before that and see how messed up i was.

My sister doesn't like the way meds make her feel and I can totally understand that, but she won't keep trying until she finds the right one, she just goes back to being miserable and self destructive. Watching her is what keeps me going in trying to keep myself on level. Well that and my teenager asking "Have you taken your crazy pills Mom?" whenever she doesn't like something i say.......

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RE: bipolar? hmmm i didnt think so? - 2/10/2007 5:06:59 AM   
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i find getting proper amounts of sleep and eating properly does wonders.  As does exercise and spending time out in the sun.  Dead serious on the sleep.  If i get good sleep - i'm generally A ok.  If i shirk on my sleep - god help all.  Lack of sleep seems to be an open window for my moods to swing out of control.

I've no clue what i am, other then the name i call myself - but i have found that there are just normal things one can do, to help them cope with life better.  Sleep, nutrition, exercise, and staying away from overloading your body with crap.  Caffeine and all the sick and disgusting crap they put in most of the foods these  days. 



I love it.

I'm pretty suspicious of mainstream psychiatry/psychology and think there's a lot more people can be doing to take responsibility for their own mental health without relying on medication. 

Regular habits go a long way toward modifying irregular moods.  And, being self aware.  I have a manic/depressive type cycle, but its so predictable and so closely alligned with my menstrual cycle, I've come to rely on it to organize myself.  The high energy days don't bother me (I love pms), because I get tons done.  Its the low energy days that get to me and I have to remind myself that its ok to rest, and when its time, I'll get busy again.

To the op, have you tried logging your activity/moods?  Maybe if you do that for a couple months you'll be able better assess if there's an issue you need to deal with (ie: reckless behavior) or take advantage of your own engergy cycle.

And, who ever said we must be even keel all the time?  Whats wrong with ups and downs?  Is there anything in nature that's constant?  The weather can change...why can't us humans?

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RE: bipolar? hmmm i didnt think so? - 2/12/2007 8:13:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Only Bipolar I has classic alternating mania and depressive states. Bipolar II does not. My eldest has II, mixed states alternating anger and depression every five minutes. Most don't cycle anywhere near that fast, she's in a very small minority. Lithium and depacote don't work very well on II's, instead the newer antipsychotics and anticonvulsants are used. She takes both and it controls her cycling and also her severe anxiety.

Unfortunately, the only workable alternative to the prescription meds are 17 fish oil capsules, 3 times daily. The omega 3's will work but in impossibly high dosages.

So yes, you can be bipolar without classic mania or hypomania. Go see a psychiatrist with experience in this disorder. Be wary of using any SSRI's as they can bring on episodes of mania in bipolars.

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RE: bipolar? hmmm i didnt think so? - 2/13/2007 6:09:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		i have been thinking alot about all you have all said, and the cloud is dark.

so a week or two ago, yes i had about with trouble sleeping, but it wasnt really bothering me. and while its not common sometimes [once or twice a year] i get crazy hyper/giggly but it only lasts minutes.. i gotta say the clincher was when i tried going back on anti depressants maybe one or two years ago, i was up for days straight. its all lining up and i appreciate the insight i may never have been able to ID mania for me, if i had never posted this. i will check with a Dr, but meds are unlikely for me

edit to add it sounds like it may be more of BPII since its more of a depressed/normal cycle, and i do have bad anxiety. hmm. strange the Dr's couldn't put this together themselves

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RE: bipolar? hmmm i didnt think so? - 2/13/2007 8:23:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		The reason they couldn't diagnose it was because of your age. Bipolar manifests differently when it occurs during adolescence as opposed to an adult manifesting it. Symptoms are different. Quite honestly, the only people who can see it right off the bat in an adolescent is an adolescent psychiatrist and there are less than 3,000 of them in the country, all of them with a full patient load.

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RE: bipolar? hmmm i didnt think so? - 2/15/2007 12:09:21 PM   
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Unfortunately, the only workable alternative to the prescription meds are 17 fish oil capsules, 3 times daily. The omega 3's will work but in impossibly high dosages.



what is the mg intake?

http://www.globaldnasolutions.com/order.htm

"Global DNA Solutions has specially manufactured their Omega 3 for the highest EPA content and selected an unsurpassed fish oil mixture to consistently deliver the desired results.

120 softgels per bottle; 4 softgels per serving;
1,440 EPA & 960 DHA per serving

Ultimate Omega 3 is free of Silver, Arsenic,
Bismuth, Cadmium, Lead and Mercury. "

found the link through The Road Back
http://www.theroadback.org/bipolar.htm

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RE: bipolar? hmmm i didnt think so? - 2/15/2007 12:30:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		ok I'm totally  not bipolar.  ssris make me sleepy.  nor/dop-ris make me alert.  the combination makes me resilient.  major dep. over here.  my girl is bipolar, and it drives me up the fisking wall.

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RE: bipolar? hmmm i didnt think so? - 2/15/2007 12:41:51 PM   
mixielicous


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i found THE MOST AMAZING WEBSITE

http://www.psycheducation.org/

for BP and a huge focus on BP2

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RE: bipolar? hmmm i didnt think so? - 2/15/2007 1:49:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		My sisterslave is bipolar.  It took awhile to diagnose, though.  She had been rather ineffectively treated for depression before, with a number of different drugs.  She still has mood swings while on her meds now, but they are far, far more mild.

However, when I was treated for depression I thought I might be bipolar and so the doctor put me on paxil first thing.  Apparently if you are bipolar, this will cause a manic episode and then you can treat the bipolar disorder accordingly and not have to run through many medication that don't treat what is actually wrong.  I didn't have a manic episode and the paxil helped the depression.  In any event, if that is one of the drugs you have tried and you didn't have an identifiable manic episode, then it is likely you are not manic.  Of course I am not a doctor, this is just what my doctor told me.

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RE: bipolar? hmmm i didnt think so? - 2/16/2007 8:16:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		yea i have been doing a lot of reading, its called hypo mania, the response to the anti depressant. i actually did experience it with zoloft a few years ago, unable to sleep for 4 days straight. i started to hear things, it was snazzy i also experienced another "sign" of what the call prozac poop out [but mine was on wellbutrin] when it works well for a few weeks then depression symptoms return

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RE: bipolar? hmmm i didnt think so? - 2/17/2007 6:40:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		Starting 6 years ago I started seeing a psychiatrist because, well, I was not a happy camper.  The first diagnosis was ADHD.  So, got some great adderall and bounced off the walls for about 6 months.  Afterwards the doc said I was suffering depression.  I tried about every drug known at the time.  The problem was that sometimes they increased symptoms or, even worse, gave me systemic body itching (which totally sucks, by the way).  Another doctor said I had 'dysthymia', or chronic, low-grade depression.  So, more pills.  Finally, I gave up on the meds because they made me numb or worse (and never, EVER go cold turkey on effexor) and considered myself a lost cause.  Last year I started working out, eating right, lost weight, getting good sleep and I have noticed a marked improvement in my overall well-being (well, duh).  Also, I have recently been doing a lot of research on bipolar disorder.  Apparently it is very common to misdiagnose it as depression (and ADHD if manic apparently).  And, anti-depressants can sometimes make the depressive state even worse for bipolar folks.  So, for right now I'm 'on the lookout' for any triggers that can swing my moods, still trying to live a healthy lifestyle, and if things get worse I'll have some new knowledge to go to the doctor with.  Oh, btw - my manic episodes I typically thought were depressive because I would become furious and irate and those feelings would just feed on each other.

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RE: bipolar? hmmm i didnt think so? - 2/17/2007 11:35:04 AM   
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well i wont deny it i have been diagnosed a lot in my life - a few times with depression [plus PTSD and generalized anxiety] anywho my depression has been pretty well on the mend for coming up on two years now - in comparison - to the past.. but i still slip in for a day here and a day there and it has led my Master to many times ask if i am bipolar but i do not have any manic periods..

what could be an alternative explanation? and no i cant ask a Dr i am on a *no therapy* binge ATM


Self diagnosis or diagnosis from a non professional seems to be a rave.  BiPolar is SO misunderstood by people who havent a clue and or more dangerously, by someone who thinks they know.

There are types (or degrees) of BiPolar... Type I to IV.  There are also various types and degrees of depression and mania.
From my OWN experience, PTSD has a degree of anxiety and depression associated with it as well as other chronic mild and more "dangerous"  type of behaviour. 

Be happy you are on the mend and yes there will be days depression will be mild to rather debilitating, depending on the antogonizer.  But that is no way means you are BiPolar.

Seasonal reactive depression is one example.  In the deep of Dec-Feb depression can be debilitating, while in late fall early spring just a nusance and finally when the sun shines and the birds sing...one asks, what the hell was wrong with me.   Chemical receptors !   

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RE: bipolar? hmmm i didnt think so? - 2/17/2007 11:37:35 AM   
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yea i have been doing a lot of reading, its called hypo mania, the response to the anti depressant. i actually did experience it with zoloft a few years ago, unable to sleep for 4 days straight. i started to hear things, it was snazzy i also experienced another "sign" of what the call prozac poop out [but mine was on wellbutrin] when it works well for a few weeks then depression symptoms return


 Its amazing what a good MD Psychiatrist can do with the correct medication !!

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