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RE: A Good Dom... - 2/10/2007 5:52:02 AM   
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losttreasure, here is one Master who thought your OP was a hoot! As you say, a perfect tongue in cheek response to the Good Wife thread. Both concepts are silly beyond words. Don't Dom's these days have a sense of humor anymore?

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RE: A Good Dom... - 2/10/2007 6:05:27 AM   
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One can spot sarcasm and humor when people don't get defensive when it is dissected.   


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RE: A Good Dom... - 2/10/2007 6:18:02 AM   
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quote:

you can't have fractional people


I dispute this.
If you spend any amount of time on the forums, you'll quickly understand that there are people with half a brain or less, from now on I will consider them fractional people.....because it makes me giggle.




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RE: A Good Dom... - 2/10/2007 6:20:31 AM   
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Fractions? Aw I am terrible at math.
But I loved the Good Dom list, it was clever & amusing.

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RE: A Good Dom... - 2/10/2007 6:20:33 AM   
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Raven,

I read your reply with interest because there are many times well, let's say we don't agree.  But I must say, this one hit the mark.  Without commenting on the piece itself, your comment of "she dosn't get a free ride, she can't 'coast' neither can' you, not if you expect this to work long term." seemed to make the most sense.  Whether or not someone subscribes to what treasure has written (and she says that it was simply a companion piece to the good wife thread), anyone with an ounce of sense HAS to realize that for something to work long term, there has to be give and take on both sides. 

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RE: A Good Dom... - 2/10/2007 6:27:17 AM   
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The OP wasn't about "give and take" which is why I objected to it.

It was "do it my way and I will submit" but all couched in touchy-feely BS.  This is a more sophisticated version of "I need 3 days of aftercare because you spanked me" crap. 

To borrow a phrase common with female dominants when dealing with overly whiny and demanding male submissives "I am NOT a fetish delivery device". 

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RE: A Good Dom... - 2/10/2007 7:24:21 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SirDominic

losttreasure, here is one Master who thought your OP was a hoot! As you say, a perfect tongue in cheek response to the Good Wife thread. Both concepts are silly beyond words. Don't Dom's these days have a sense of humor anymore?

Namaste, Sir Dominic


THANK YOU Sir Dominic!  I went to bed thinking this would turn into a humorous thread and wake to find out some doms have had their sense of humor surgically removed, or maybe they never had one to begin with....   Sheesh.....



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RE: A Good Dom... - 2/10/2007 7:32:37 AM   
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 I can't possibly imagine coming to my owner with some sort of list of my standards of what makes a good master,  

If my master expects the title and respect that goes with it, then I, for one, do hold him to a level of conduct which engenders my deference to him.  I have a high opinion of him because he keeps his word, his rules are clear, he is willing to listen and give weight to my opinions and thoughts.  I can admire him because he cares about our relationship and wants both of us to be fulfilled by our chosen side of the D/s coin.  I could not submit to him otherwise. 
No standards would seem to me to be a recipe for disaster.


See to me once someone has become my owner I've already taken the time to get to know them quite well and already know how they fit into my life and personality over time.  Once they are my owner I think if I still have to watch over him and continue to hold him to my standards then I just didn't spend enough time getting to know him beforehand.  From my perspective I'm not the one steering the boat... err relationship so I'm not the one who's standards should be guiding things.

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RE: A Good Dom... - 2/10/2007 7:36:32 AM   
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I guess I just see the OP as a humorous tongue in cheek thingie. I do not see it as something to bring to ones Dom or Master as a basis for the relationship (tho there are some very valid points in it lol). If it sounds exaggerated maybe it is because the opposing version (fifties wife) sounds exaggerated as well?

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RE: A Good Dom... - 2/10/2007 7:49:37 AM   
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quote:

"I am NOT a fetish delivery device".


Spoilsport!




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RE: A Good Dom... - 2/10/2007 8:01:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SirDominic

losttreasure, here is one Master who thought your OP was a hoot! As you say, a perfect tongue in cheek response to the Good Wife thread. Both concepts are silly beyond words. Don't Dom's these days have a sense of humor anymore?

Namaste, Sir Dominic


and this post from Raven....

Well looks like its the Brits that are breaking the Domly ranks here. If the OP is looked at as 'rules' then yes I can see where there could be some complaint, but for general tone and some of the tools Doms use to keep things running smoothly... no problems with it AT ALL.

If I say I am going to be home at a set time.... she should be able to EXPECT Me at that set time (Within lattitude for travel delays..) You want your girl to trust in what you say... then when you say 'X'... MEAN 'X' and she WILL come to trust in your words.

When it comes to service... do you want a mindless drone, or an enthusiastic girl who is eager to please? I prefer the latter and expect the right attitude... how to get that, how to help her maintain the right attitude? Don't take her for granted. Sure she has no 'right' to thanks, sh has submitted and is just doing as she should... regardless of 'extra effort'... she should be making extra effort anyhow, I expect her best.... bu I little nod and a smile can just make that diffrence, the words 'good girl' WHEN MENT, carry a lot of weight.

As for taking that deep breath before stepping in.... why wouldn't you, OK maybe not for the reason outlined in the OP, but you have a damn job to do, responcibilitys to uphold... she dosn't get a free ride, she can't 'coast' neither can' you, not if you expect this to work long term. Being in control 'of yourself' is where it starts, composing yourself, getting out of 'office' mindset before walking back in doesn't take much mental discipline.... and it helps that you can have her take those shoes off and come give you a gentle shoulder rub whilst you drink that first coffee and chat about the day and if there is anything she needs to bring to your attention that has happened whilst you here abscent from your 'domain'

Now, MY Take.............

Like these two, this dominant also took this as a "tongue-in-cheek" mirror piece to "The Good Wife"...a humorous, satirical piece. As with most satire, there are grains of truth in it, as aptly noted by Raven.

For myself, in any dynamic I would choose to be in, trying to follow the piece line by line, as if it were a "true" instruction manual wouldn't work. Then it would become, as SM noted, too much like the submissive running the show...but again, that's if I was to take the piece seriously line by line. However, the idea of cultivating respect and courtesy in my submissive by showing her courtesy and consideration makes perfect sense to me in MY world. Am I always courteous? No, sometimes a measure of terseness is called for. But given that I don't want to be terse all the time, then that leaves me with being courteous while still being dominant or just out and out domineering. I choose the former.

****NOTE: The above paragraph(s) by me are an expression of MY views only and not meant to reflect some universal measure of how all dominants feel. Those that take my words out of context or interpret them to be an expression of how all dominants feel or should feel is...to put it simply...WRONG and should be dismissed from serious consideration for today's Grand Prize.
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RE: A Good Dom... - 2/10/2007 8:59:04 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: losttreasure

A good dom always knows his place.



mmmmmmmmmm  all a person needs to do is read this...

and know to continue reading this thread would be a waste of time.






OOOOOOOOOOOOOhhhhhhhhh way didn't I listen to my instincts!!!

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RE: A Good Dom... - 2/10/2007 9:05:44 AM   
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I don't understand why so many are upset over a piece of satirical writing  . To me it was just an amusing counterpoint to the 50s Good Wife, and like that one this one also contains some practical advice. *that sentence looks weird*
It seemed pretty clear to me as I read it, that the piece was not meant to be taken to heart line by line. Now I am left wondering at the cry of outrage by so many Doms.



*back to saying its just IMO. IMO people.

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RE: A Good Dom... - 2/10/2007 9:08:24 AM   
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I don't think anyone is upset, I think some people are discussing what was initially posted.  If it was supposed to be humour that we were supposed to laugh at, why isn't it in the humour section?  Putting it in the General BDSM Discussion section usually means its going to be....discussed.

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RE: A Good Dom... - 2/10/2007 9:09:57 AM   
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I am upset.. because the only thing interesting was the satrical writing... after that.. it went down hill...

and silly me... I kept reading.

of course.. interesting doesn't equate to being of any value.... but it was interesting.


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RE: A Good Dom... - 2/10/2007 9:12:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Wildfleurs

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I don't think anyone is upset, I think some people are discussing what was initially posted.  If it was supposed to be humour that we were supposed to laugh at, why isn't it in the humour section?  Putting it in the General BDSM Discussion section usually means its going to be....discussed.

C~



I am upset "Damnit"   mmmmmmmmm didn't convince you uh?

ok... well anyways.. you make a good point..   so maybe this thread wasn't a waste of time........ or was it

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RE: A Good Dom... - 2/10/2007 9:14:42 AM   
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Ahh okay, see I read your post above me as if you were saying:
mmmmmmmmmm  all a person needs to do is read this...

and know to continue reading this thread would be a waste of time.

Meaning that the OP was a waste of time. That in turn (added to the many others who indicated degrees of anger/irritation/umbrage etc) lead me to the conclusion that yet another was upset! LOL and now you say you are upset, but it is clarified & differieniated which I appreciate.


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RE: A Good Dom... - 2/10/2007 9:20:33 AM   
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I don't understand why so many are upset over a piece of satirical writing

Some folks have a way of saying so much silly stuff that it is impossible to separate one piece of satire from a body of work that could also be satire but is serious.


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RE: A Good Dom... - 2/10/2007 9:24:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: cjenny

Ahh okay, see I read your post above me as if you were saying:
mmmmmmmmmm  all a person needs to do is read this...

and know to continue reading this thread would be a waste of time.

Meaning that the OP was a waste of time. That in turn (added to the many others who indicated degrees of anger/irritation/umbrage etc) lead me to the conclusion that yet another was upset! LOL and now you say you are upset, but it is clarified & differieniated which I appreciate.



mmmmmmmm now I am getting more upset... because you miss interperted my intent... gosh it was clear enough wasn't it?

just like the OP's post wouldn't you say.... can't understand why it would be misunderstood... hell it was clear to me...

I didn't infer anything like the OP was a waste of time... but you sure took it that way.....

mmmmmmmmm come to think of it... seems alot of people infered things of the OP... mmmmmmmmmm gosh... can't every just stop inferring things that are not there.





mmmmmmmmmmmmmm well of course...

there is the possibility that what I wrote.. like that of the OP was not that clear.... that the emotions and thoughts we had was not communicate in a manner that was effective and allowed for different understandings of what we actually intended.

so.. just maybe we shouldn't be upset that what we stated is not clearly understood.. maybe that is what discussion is for... to learn what is the thought expressed.   Sometimes it might take an exchange or two

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RE: A Good Dom... - 2/10/2007 9:33:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

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ORIGINAL: cjenny

Ahh okay, see I read your post above me as if you were saying:
mmmmmmmmmm  all a person needs to do is read this...

and know to continue reading this thread would be a waste of time.

Meaning that the OP was a waste of time. That in turn (added to the many others who indicated degrees of anger/irritation/umbrage etc) lead me to the conclusion that yet another was upset! LOL and now you say you are upset, but it is clarified & differieniated which I appreciate.



mmmmmmmm now I am getting more upset... because you miss interperted my intent... gosh it was clear enough wasn't it?

just like the OP's post wouldn't you say.... can't understand why it would be misunderstood... hell it was clear to me...

I didn't infer anything like the OP was a waste of time... but you sure took it that way.....

mmmmmmmmm come to think of it... seems alot of people infered things of the OP... mmmmmmmmmm gosh... can't every just stop inferring things that are not there.





mmmmmmmmmmmmmm well of course...

there is the possibility that what I wrote.. like that of the OP was not that clear.... that the emotions and thoughts we had was not communicate in a manner that was effective and allowed for different understandings of what we actually intended.

so.. just maybe we shouldn't be upset that what we stated is not clearly understood.. maybe that is what discussion is for... to learn what is the thought expressed.   Sometimes it might take an exchange or two


It can be difficult for me to read sarcasm in a forum. That is why I asked why there was a feeling of umbrage.
I apologise for whatever I said that upset you more, such was NOT my intent. You state that it may take discussion to clarify things, which I tried. I also posted that I did understand what you typed/said yet... you state you are more angry.
So again, I do apologise.
My post was meant to tell you that I understood, seems a bit of a turn back because you did not seem to grasp that.


IMO etc.

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