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RE: Masturbating & Public Play - 2/12/2007 3:20:06 PM   
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He's stroking skin, fairly sanitary in my view. however in order for a female to masturbate, chances are she will have to have some manual contact with her genitals, which for the most part are interior. she's not simply stroking skin, she's dipping her fingers in orifices.


Guess what?  men have contact with their genitals too.  Guess what again? most women dont go dipping into anything when they masturbate.  Most, not all, play with the external button, ie the clit. 

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RE: Masturbating & Public Play - 2/12/2007 3:21:57 PM   
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He's stroking skin, fairly sanitary in my view. however in order for a female to masturbate, chances are she will have to have some manual contact with her genitals, which for the most part are interior. she's not simply stroking skin, she's dipping her fingers in orifices.


Guess what?  men have contact with their genitals too.  Guess what again? most women dont go dipping into anything when they masturbate.  Most, not all, play with the external button, ie the clit. 



lol, i guess you didn't read my last post, or even the one you're quoting completely. also, i don't understand why you seem to have taken offense at my comments?

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RE: Masturbating & Public Play - 2/12/2007 3:26:41 PM   
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just because watching men in the throws (I SO cannot be sure I am spelling that correctly) of sexual passion, the look on their faces and so forth.........I find very humorous actually.


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Thank you so much!!! You have no idea how badly that was bugging me. I knew it was not right but for the life of me couldn't see how.

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RE: Masturbating & Public Play - 2/12/2007 3:27:11 PM   
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 guess what?  your assumption was wrong.  dont jump to conclusions.  lol.  I took no offense.  you can think what ya wanna think, i dont really care.  it's no skin off me back.

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RE: Masturbating & Public Play - 2/12/2007 3:36:40 PM   
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daddysprop you always bring out a point I can't or just don't see. I'm glad of that.
GuidingLite you and a few others managed to place what bothered me about it, the male female dynamic is not always balanced. I've been frightened by a man more than once and I  am pretty sure that colors the way I reacted to the OP.
Jeez I love all the diff views unless they get hostile *s*.

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RE: Masturbating & Public Play - 2/12/2007 4:57:47 PM   
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Interesting.  I hadn't quite thought of it as a fear thing, and it's true I've been frightened by men, but its also true that I've been frightened by women.  So, its hard for me to type cast with any degree of consistency. 

I also can't say that I would go by myself to a club or event where I knew open male masturbation was accepted.  But, I don't go into bars by myself either, or any kind of entertaiment kind of place.  In fact, the only social event I've attended by myself (outside of mother's groups) have been bd/sm events and I was only comfortable doing that because I got to know people, including the event organizers, at a couple of munches first.  But, that's not really the issue.

Its really hard for me to accept the latent assumption that all men who might want to masturbate at a bdsm event are potentially violent and using their penis as a weapon.  I understand that something like that might make someone uncomfortable, especially if one has experienced sexual violence, but to fail to distinguish between open masturbation in a controlled situation and violent crime seems kind of like assuming that all sadists are criminals or psychologically unsound or all heterosexual sex is rape.

At the events I attended, when somone was going to do an edgy scene (needle play, fire, breath play or something like that) the dungeon master would go around and tell everyone what was about to happen so folks who might be uncomfortable absent themselves.  This seemed a fair way to allow for  people's different tolerances while letting others  pursue their own version of happiness.  At the first play party I attended there was a scene that involved a plastic bag over the bottom's head, and it triggered something from my childhood and I started to freak out.  So, I left the dungeon area.  I really don't see a difference between that and someone being uncomfortable with a guy jacking off.

If the resistance does have to do with fear, I guess I'm wondering if it makes sense to let our own fears based on our own biographies control determine what happens at a bd/sm event.  I don't like being controlled by my fear and try to not let that happen, and I can't see any justification for using  my fear to control someone else.

I'm also struck by the assumption that if  male masturbation is tolerated it will lead to a slippery slope of ending with crowds of men standing in circles, dick in hand, pumping away and recklesly spewing their spunk.   Boxes of tissues placed around the play space would probably be enough to stop any spermy downpour.  The assumption doesn't say much for general opinions about men.

I dunno.  There seems to be a double standard where male sexuality is treated as a dangerous  force thus subjected to greater social controls, and women's sexuality is considered to be innocuous and thus less subject to restraint.  Of course, this carries with it the age old assumption of female passivity and weakness.  Of course we can beat our meat in (semi-) public because it doesn't threaten anyone.  Maybe it should.

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RE: Masturbating & Public Play - 2/12/2007 5:17:05 PM   
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You ladies do realize that many women ejaculate?  Not just get wet but GUSH.  It often requires stimulation of the "g" spot and or a period of tease and denial but they can make every bit as much of a mess as a man.

What is odd is that I don't think many here would change their mind even if a man was wearing a condom.

I fight for this issue because when I throw an event or party, I want gays, lesbians, dykes, drag queens, TVs, bisexuals, bois and god knows what else to be comfortable and have a seriously hot time.  I have no interest in some narrow view of what is "okay" cramping anyone's style.  While the issues with bodily fluids are real, with suitable boundaries, they are effortlessly dealt with. 

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RE: Masturbating & Public Play - 2/12/2007 6:31:10 PM   
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Okay, I actually started imagining what I would feel if I did have that experience and I have come to the conclusion that knowing myself as I do, I would end up laughing, just because watching men in the throws (I SO cannot be sure I am spelling that correctly) of sexual passion, the look on their faces and so forth.........I find very humorous actually.


i did the same thing on a more extreme end.  What if a man got carried away and spewed his junk in my direction? Like it landed it on me.  i think i would see blood red.  i'd be out of whatever contraption before some one could say "houdini" and losing my cool.  Logically thinking though, Master would end up handling the situation before i could.  Leaving the man out cold, me defused and most likely crying.  (aye i'm a dweeb)

I quoted you LaT because i think your perspective is a good one.  One i'll keep in mind if anything ever occurs.  heh.

As for cramping styles.  Let ppl do as they please.. just notify others what to expect before they come.  i'd hate to walk in some where and be automatically used for a cum dump.  Everyone should know the score.  PLUS if you threw a party/event - i'd seriously doubt there would be random jersk wandering in off the street masterbating to all that is going on.  I would hope to safely assume that you would create a safe atmosphere.......  which of course is not what a club is. 



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RE: Masturbating & Public Play - 2/12/2007 7:48:19 PM   
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LA,

Thanks for starting this thread. I had been away from the forums for a while. From what I can see most clubs really don't have a rule as such, although I know Paddles did have no masterbating signs up (just text, it does scream for one of those international sign graphics though).  It almost just seems to be understood ettiquette that men don't masturbate in a public scene space, and you would be violating some mores of the venue. There does seem to be a disconnect between BDSM and sex. I know for play groups when we wrote rules we banned penatration and generally had something against something sexual. For this there were two reasons: 1. Legal, the impression is that a group could fall foul of some prostitution laws if it is not careful (or be accused of such by overzealous or prudish law enforcement) 2. Comfort, some people may be into BDSM and their significan other isn't. Their SO may be OK with them going to a play party w/o sex but have major problems with a party with sex. I realize we are not talking about sex but I think at this point you are moving into that gray area.

I am suprised to see some of what I would just deem intolerance, on just how offended people would be if they saw someone masturbating. There are people who are always going to be squicked by something,  do we ban everything but the most slightly not vanilla activity. Isn't this what the Christian Reich (not a misprint) wants to do with censoring almost everything because someone might accidently see something inapropriate. I think there are a few people in this thread that need to mellow out.

I like the basic rules Leather Retreat has (these are both the rules and ethos):

1. All activity needs to be consentual.
2. If you see something that bothers you that is consentual and not dangerous just keep walking.
3. You genitals must be covered in the dining hall. (In my defense the first year no where did they state opaque)

And added this past year:
4. No sex in the pool. You can have sex on top the pool, but no rinsing off in the pool when you are done. In other words  swallow.

I thinks these rules work well if you can abide by them.

On other thoughts, I actually have an exhibitionism fetish. I very much do enjoy women watching me get off. That being said it seems to me that is really the scene for me and it does seem like an invasion of someones scene to be using it as cheap porn to get off. Masturbation in that sense maybe should be a consentual part of the scene. Who know I suspect there might be a few women who might get off on have a circle of men jerking off for her, but for the men who want to do that it should be negociated. I guess we just we just need some more communication and civility.

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RE: Masturbating & Public Play - 2/12/2007 7:53:30 PM   
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I don't know what people's problems is.  Nobody is advocating allowing men to shoot cum on someone who they are not scening with.

I don't think anyone here would react in anything short of throwing such an ass out of a party and probably running them out of town.

Sheesh!

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RE: Masturbating & Public Play - 2/12/2007 7:55:29 PM   
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This thread seems to be like one where we try and talk about BDSM (0n a vanilla thread) and all they can talk about is rape.

Two sides just not getting what the hell the other is talking about.

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RE: Masturbating & Public Play - 2/12/2007 8:05:39 PM   
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Oh man, Shadow and Michael posting on my thread together, I AM a lucky chick today!

*gets swept away in her daydreams regarding the three of us at LR*

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RE: Masturbating & Public Play - 2/12/2007 8:07:06 PM   
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I wouldn't mind, but I'm pretty sure it would make me laugh hysterically.

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RE: Masturbating & Public Play - 2/12/2007 8:09:47 PM   
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I think it really depends on the venue and the group around ... I don't know if I'd be comfortable whipping it out among a group of people... it just seems rude or something.


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RE: Masturbating & Public Play - 2/12/2007 8:32:35 PM   
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for me...assuming just some random guy wacking off as he watches a scene, keeping the typical respectful audience distance, perhaps using a condom, or at least clearly not being unsanitary with any fluids, or breakign the rules of the play area....

i'm going to say that i personally would feel a little uncomfortable just because i am fairly inexperienced and found myself somewhat uncomfortable watching a woman be shaved with a straight razor last week at a party...

believe me, the last thing on my mind was complaining to a DM!! i mean, hello, it was part of the scene, and "my" domme reminded me that if i see anything that makes me uncomfortable i'm not only "allowed" but basically expected to look away--it's supposed to be FUN.

okay, kind of rambling, but the point is, yes, i think i might be slightly uncomfortable (b/c of social norms that have been ingrained in me or whatever) but i would definitely consider that my own issue, and simply look/move away.

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RE: Masturbating & Public Play - 2/16/2007 4:22:47 PM   
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I do not leak either, infact even in arousal most instances I am usualy extreamly dry and require lubricant from sex toy lube.
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Also, not all women make puddles, I do not leak everywhere all the time., but I do not gush like a geyser when I orgasm, and I doubt highly that I am unusual in this.


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RE: Masturbating & Public Play - 2/16/2007 6:36:56 PM   
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I just read this thread, and Michael really brought it around.  The issue about masturbation in public seems to be far more grounded in the sexual preferences between men, women, and their respective sexualities.  It's no secret many women involved in the lifestyle are either bisexual, or at least female friendly.  The same bias men have against seeing other men seems to run true in other women; it'd be alright if 'their' lover was masturbating but the thought of a stranger is (usually) squicky.  Yet if it was four or five beautiful women masturbating while watching the scene, I doubt they'd have many taps on the shoulder, asking them to stop or leave (regardless of any posted policy in the club.)  This theme runs in the swingers area as well; the expectation for two women in a casual environment seems to be based less on emotional attachment than on sexual appeal (again, generalizing, but I think valid.)

Men routinely objectify women.  They are typically forbidden from open masturbation under any circumstances (and subsequently made to feel ashamed for it to boot.)  Thus, the one place where our taboos are not only liberated, but encouraged, it doesn't seem odd that some men would feel inclined to enjoy what is just another taboo activity.  Their breaking of the taboo, on the other hand, doesn't make the object of their lust any less objectified; yet consent doesn't seem to be the issue for me, simply because when we are in public, we give consent to be looked at (even if the way we are being looked at it unpleasant.)  The solution, really, is to speak to the management about changing the rule, addressing the pervert directly, or leaving.  Since most will resort to the last object, it's just good business sense to restrict said perverts from indulging their fetish in a public place, and stick to private (or pre-arranged) situations.

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RE: Masturbating & Public Play - 2/17/2007 1:13:02 AM   
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greetings

i think anyone kink is ok no blood or little ones or animals but there is the subject of going to jail this is what can happen with public play they take it very seroiusly. when i see someone who is doing this and childern are around this is no in anyway ok and some people do this so no pn public play jail time is not worth it

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RE: Masturbating & Public Play - 2/17/2007 1:34:54 AM   
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I'm kinda different, being a bi male slave wiht a male Master, I really like the thought of someone openly masturbating while I am "busy." I can totally see the issues females would ahve wiht it though

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RE: Masturbating & Public Play - 2/17/2007 3:55:29 AM   
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Personally, i dont mind if its a woman or a man masturbating......actually i would enjoy watching  When i watch a scene, i will often see men getting a hardon, but i never interrupt, i just see it as a natural reaction.

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