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RE: HPV - 2/19/2008 12:22:07 AM   
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I was just informed today that a dom that I was just with has a slave with hvp gential warts. He didn't tell she had a disease or that he had unprotected sex with her.Now I have to be tested because he was being careless as well as I was being careless with my trust. I want him to pay for any treatment that I need if I come up positive since he knew before we started that it is contagious disease. Yes he's on collar me and so is she.


Condoms don't prevent HPV and I don't know of a single brand that claims to. Why didn't you get him tested before having sex as there is no reasonable expectation of protecting yourself from it? Just as he as a responsibility to be honest you have a responsibility to engage in sex wisely, or accept whatever card you happen to pull from the grab bag.

I agree with Julia - he may have been completely unaware he could spread the disease to you. Many people are woefully, surprisingly and quite depressingly ignorant of STIs and how they are spread. Talk to him, get tested, get on medication but unless you can prove he did it deliberately, I doubt you will have any case for getting him to pay for the medication. Frankly, unless you got him tested, I'm not sure you should be able to get it.

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RE: HPV - 2/19/2008 6:04:30 PM   
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Seems like (as with all health information) there is some misinformation out there. 

"Approximately 20 million people are currently infected with HPV. At least 50 percent of sexually active men and women acquire genital HPV infection at some point in their lives. By age 50, at least 80 percent of women will have acquired genital HPV infection. About 6.2 million Americans get a new genital HPV infection each year." - Centers for Disease Control

The following link is from the CDC, and is a well prepared fact sheet. I hope this information helps.

http://www.cdc.gov/std/HPV/STDFact-HPV.htm#common

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RE: HPV - 2/19/2008 7:53:14 PM   
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The strains of HPV that cause genital warts are not the strains that can lead to cervical cancer.   The strain that causes genital warts can possibly be cleared over time.  i had it 20 yrs ago and cleared it.

There is no test for men because it is difficult to scape cells off a man's penis --which is why it is not a required test for porn actors.

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RE: HPV - 2/19/2008 8:06:38 PM   
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Gardasil treats, if i am remembering correctly,  only 6 strains of HPV.  I believe there are a total of over 100.  Insurance will not cover it for anyone over age 26, because the FDA did not test it for anyone older and older is considered beyond "the conventional age of marriage."  NO joke, this is what Blue Cross and Blue Shield told me when denying my request for coverage exception as I am still single and sexually active at age 41 and had an abnormal pap.  A single shot bought directly from my doctor costs $500.00.

i got lucky, the abormal pap was from a bacterial infection which occurs about 1% of the time.

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RE: HPV - 2/19/2008 8:22:51 PM   
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Gardasil only aids in 6 out of 300+ HPV strains of the virus. Scare tactics from the govt wouldn't make me give such poison to my daughters.



For Shame. 
It's a preventable cancer.  Who wouldn't want to help their daughters not get cancer?  

Gardasil is a vaccine against strains that cause cancer, and unfortunately it doesn't work for guys even though they're the ones carrying the virus and thus causing the cervical cancer, so girls are the ones who have to get the shots to protect themselves.

1/3rd of Grade 10 girls are sexually active, and condoms don't prevent venereal warts if they're above where the condom reaches, or if it breaks. 
No one had a serious reaction from the vaccine.  1/3rd of women with cervical cancer DIE.  Get educated, and don't listen to your own and unfounded conspiracy theory:  talk to a gynaecologist about the TRUTH before you throw away a chance to SAVE YOUR KIDS FROM CANCER>

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RE: HPV - 2/21/2008 11:47:49 AM   
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I don't think anyone would not want to prevent this nor treat kids for cancer prevention.

The serious question is: CAN WE TRUST MERCK?

What assurance do we have that, 10 or so years from now, AFTER many of our cherished young women take this treatment, that we won't see some bizarre after-effect - birth defects, sterility etc.? We have none. And frankly, after the VIOXX debacle, I am not prepared to trust MERCK or any of the rest of them at all. Will they offer a trust fund of assurance? I think not. Will they do anything they can to protect themselves and their shareholders? I think so.

I think that passing out a shaming effect is a bit misleading (unless of course you work for a big Pharmaceutical company) without also including a history of past practices.

I have a daughter I cherish, now past middle school age. I would not ever dissuade her from making her choice, but I'd want to first be sure she understood ALL the ramifications.

10 to 14 years olds do not, in my view, understand those ramifications. I would not support mandatory inoculations in middle school (Merck gains *billions*) unless and until Merck ponies up a protective measure of some sort. Accountability and responsibility to the recipients of the Pharmaceutical industry is NOT high on their list of priorities.

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RE: HPV - 2/21/2008 12:53:10 PM   
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This is why there should be no profit motive in pharmaceuticals.

Public health issues cannot be handled on the basis of who stands to profit from them. The decisions need to be predicated on evidence of efficacy of certain treatments weighed against their potential to do harm and also whether or not it serves a public good overall.

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RE: HPV - 2/21/2008 12:59:14 PM   
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I've learned to always use protection.


Condoms don't protect against HPV. It's transmitted by skin contact. I contracted a non wart variety of HPV from my first dom, but he had no idea he had it because there are no symptoms in men. Mine showed up as an abnormal pap, called cervical dysplasia. I had to have what's called a "LEEP" procedure. My next pap was normal, although i will always carry the virus. My HMO covered most of the expenses. Good luck with it terah.


i just wanted to point out that cervical dysplasia does not automatically indicate someone has HPV.  i had severe cervical dysplasia which morphed into cancer cells on 1/3 of my cervix...this also required a Leep procedure and i tested negative for HPV.

i want to wish you luck as well terah, it truly sucks that someone would KNOW they were exposed to an std and not inform a potential partner.


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RE: HPV - 2/24/2008 8:33:02 AM   
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1/3rd of Grade 10 girls are sexually active, and condoms don't prevent venereal warts if they're above where the condom reaches, or if it breaks. 


me? get educated? uhh for one, my girls are finished university and are not sexually active so there is no way in hell they would be stupid enough to comply with any manditory vaccine because you 'know' of some random slutty grade 10-ers.  Don't worry about my education, I don't put myself in risky situations either and I know who and what I am doing.


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RE: HPV - 2/25/2008 10:27:21 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: came4U

Gardasil only aids in 6 out of 300+ HPV strains of the virus. Scare tactics from the govt wouldn't make me give such poison to my daughters.



For Shame. 
It's a preventable cancer.  Who wouldn't want to help their daughters not get cancer?  

Gardasil is a vaccine against strains that cause cancer, and unfortunately it doesn't work for guys even though they're the ones carrying the virus and thus causing the cervical cancer, so girls are the ones who have to get the shots to protect themselves.

1/3rd of Grade 10 girls are sexually active, and condoms don't prevent venereal warts if they're above where the condom reaches, or if it breaks. 
No one had a serious reaction from the vaccine.  1/3rd of women with cervical cancer DIE.  Get educated, and don't listen to your own and unfounded conspiracy theory:  talk to a gynaecologist about the TRUTH before you throw away a chance to SAVE YOUR KIDS FROM CANCER>



The HPV
"Cervical Cancer" Vaccine
What is HPV?
Human Papilloma Virus (HPV) is a relatively common sexually transmitted disease passed on through genital contact, usually by sexual intercourse. There are more than 100 subtypes of HPV. Some forms of the virus can cause warts (papillomas), which may appear on a woman's cervix, vagina or vulva. Other forms of the virus can cause abnormal cell growth on the lining of the cervix -- cervical dysplasia -- that years later can turn into cancer. However, in more than 90 percent of cases the infections are harmless and go away without treatment. The body's own defense system expels the virus. Often, women experience no signs, symptoms or health problems.
On June 8, 2006, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved a new HPV vaccine -- Gardasil -- for 9- to 26-year-old girls and women. A few weeks later, the CDC's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) voted to recommend that all girls ages 11 and 12 receive Merck's new vaccine. Gardasil is designed to protect against four of the more than 100 different HPV strains. It is given as a three dose series costing $120 per dose, or $360 for the complete set of shots. How common is cervical cancer? Cervical cancer is not as common as other types of cancer. For example, in 2003 there were 14.4 cases of skin cancer per 100,000 population, nearly twice the rate of cervical cancer. Rates for colon cancer, lung cancer and breast cancer were even higher. In fact, women are nearly 15 times more likely to be stricken with breast cancer than with cervical cancer. How safe is the HPV vaccine? By July 25, 2007, just 13 months after the HPV vaccine was licensed in the United States, 2,207 adverse reaction reports pertaining to Gardasil were filed with the federal government -- an average of more than five reports per day. Through the Freedom of Information Act, the content of these reports was made available. According to Tom Fitton of Judicial Watch, a government watchdog organization, they "read like a catalog of horrors." In the case reports submitted to the FDA, five deaths were described due to blood clots and heart disease. In addition, many of the vaccine recipients were stricken with serious and life-threatening disabilities, including Guillain-Barre syndrome, myalgia, paresthesia, loss of consciousness, seizures, convulsions, swollen body parts, chest pain, heart irregularities, kidney failure, visual disturbances, arthritis, joint pain, difficulty breathing, severe rashes, persistent vomiting, miscarriages, menstrual irregularities, reproductive system complications, genital warts, vaginal lesions and HPV infection -- the main reason to vaccinate. Hundreds of teenage girls and young women were rushed to the hospital for debilitating ailments following their Gardasil shots. (It should be noted that although the reports appear to implicate the HPV vaccine in a variety of adverse reactions, definitive causation has not been established. Conversely, it should also be noted that a confidential study conducted by a major vaccine manufacturer indicated that "a fifty-fold under-reporting of adverse events" is likely. In other words, perhaps only 2 percent of all adverse reactions are revealed. Thus, more than 110,000 teenage girls and young women could have been hurt by Gardasil during the 13-month period between June 8, 2006 and July 25, 2007.) How effective is the HPV vaccine? The Gardasil vaccine is being promoted as "100 percent effective." However, this is a deceptive assessment of its true ability to protect against cervical cancer. Early studies merely showed that Gardasil is effective against just two strains of cancer-causing HPV (the ones included in the vaccine). Researchers have identified at least 15 cancer-causing HPV strains. In addition, the vaccine is only effective against these two strains in women with no evidence of prior exposure to these two strains. The vaccine does not prevent infection against non-vaccine types of cancer-causing HPV. It also has no efficacy in women who have already been exposed to the two cancer-causing strains included in the vaccine. In fact, these women may have a greater risk of developing cervical cancer.
(This webpage only provides a summary of HPV and the HPV vaccine.)
The Vaccine Safety Manual
contains the most comprehensive information available
on the new HPV "cervical cancer" vaccine.

(This extraordinary book includes an entire chapter
-- 36 pages of crucial data plus 9 graphs --
on HPV and the HPV vaccine.)


Two Women Die After Receiving Cervical Cancer Vaccine Friday , January 25, 2008 The death of two young women who received the cervical cancer vaccination is causing some in the U.K. to question a strategy that calls for hundreds of thousands of schoolgirls to receive the shot next fall, the Daily Mail reports. The young women who died received the vaccination, marketed under the name Gardasil, in Germany and Austria, respectively. The European Medicines Agency has not released their ages. The two deaths follow the deaths of three U.S. females, ages 12, 19 and 22, who were reported to have died days after receiving Gardasil, which protects against the human papillomavirus — believed to be the leading cause of cervical cancer — was administered. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration recently reported that 28 women miscarried after receiving the vaccine.

***************There...i've educated myself.  Even though the "for shame" (shame on YOU) post wasn't directed at me, having survived severe displaysia (which does NOT always generate due to HPV), i feel that if i don't want my daughter to have that crap shot into her system, i've earned that right. 

my daughter will go for regular checkups with a gynecologist and will be taught the importance of those checkups by ME. 

There is no way in heaven or hell i would even consider letting them stick this substance into her, no way, no how. 



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RE: HPV - 2/25/2008 4:02:38 PM   
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Gardisil doesn't treat HPV it prevents the most common forms that cause cervical cancer. There is only a few options to remove the warts if you have that form of HPV. Also Doctors don't always understand STDs even if they work in a OBGYN field or planned parenthood. I went to doctors and had plenty of paps before I finally found a doctor that said I had HPV, and they said that because they seen the warts. They took some vinagar or something and put them on there and they turned white and they said I had warts. The only treatment was either coming in every so often and getting acid put on them directly or using a prescription cream to get rid of them over a long period of time. I opted for the acid and they told me they were all gone and that I could not transmit them as long as I didn't have any warts, they were wrong my husband now has them they have told me that our bodies will get used to each others warts and we won't keep getting more and more. So far that is true. I have gone to my family doctor and they flat out told me I didn't have gential warts but I know I do because I can feel them. Doctors don't always know what they are talking about, you should read up as much as you can on HPV then go to a doctor that deals with STDs you might not find one that knows what they are talking about but you have a better chance that way that a regualar OBGYN or family doctor. I have heard so many different things about HPV from Doctors that I just do the research myself I find it more informative that way and I can trust the reports from the CDC more so than any doctor. But it is true that most women will come in contact with HPV sometime in there life. I have heard that possibly all women could have a strain of it in a few years in that it is spreading fast because of sexual and casual contact. Its a sad fact that you can get this when the guy has no signs of it, the guy that gave it to me said he was tested all the time and I didn't know then that HPV is not easy to detect in men. Inform yourself then see your doc.

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RE: HPV - 2/25/2008 4:27:31 PM   
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Sorry to hear about your situation! I know you do not want to hear this but there is not anything you can do to him but out them as irresponsible and hope they do not infect anyone else in this small circle. Really the blame is yours. This world is cruel and when we are in need we tend to ignore the truths. I would forget about how you got it and start planing on how to live with it, if positive. Be able to talk to new partners with the truth since you have experienced the not so forth right approach. A lot of people are dealing with the same thing and are dating with those dealing with this issue. I always felt Honesty and Truth should lead a relationship rounded off with respect. I told my now grown off spring that Condoms are to CON `da DUMB. Sex means bumps,bruises, sweat, loss of skin and hair scratches and spit. Con`da Dumbs do not work! Ladies trust them while horny guys bust them. The only way to be sure is to test first than play, though it may mean you have to wait and that means no one night stands. AT ALL! EVER! 

Again sorry to hear, I hope this note helps you stand. Please protect those you love.

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RE: HPV - 3/4/2008 6:12:12 PM   
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***************There...i've educated myself.  Even though the "for shame" (shame on YOU) post wasn't directed at me, having survived severe displaysia (which does NOT always generate due to HPV), i feel that if i don't want my daughter to have that crap shot into her system, i've earned that right. 

my daughter will go for regular checkups with a gynecologist and will be taught the importance of those checkups by ME. 

There is no way in heaven or hell i would even consider letting them stick this substance into her, no way, no how. 




it's probably a good idea to be more involved in your daughter's life and education than the government or a corporation, if only more people thought this way.


and jesus, these threads convince me I have every disease known to man. like bond: http://snltranscripts.jt.org/99/99ebond.phtml

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RE: HPV - 3/4/2008 7:17:35 PM   
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LOL @ the person who believes her daughters are not having sex. Most children will not admit to having sex and even if they don't now, one day, they will. And they are at risk of dying and if they don't get the vaccine before age 26 they can't get it and it will be too late to protect them.

I have gotten the first two in the series of the vaccine. I get the last one in May.

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RE: HPV - 5/15/2008 6:03:51 PM   
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Very interesting post's on this subject, needs to be brought up now and then as do all STD's. I have been chatting with a sub who has it, she is not in my area, all cyber, however we have been discussing, since she has it, now question how does one go about protecting ones pardner during sex when female has it, but no visible skin activity right now so other doesn't get it? Plastic wrap, rubbers??

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RE: HPV - 5/15/2008 7:37:40 PM   
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Very interesting post's on this subject, needs to be brought up now and then as do all STD's. I have been chatting with a sub who has it, she is not in my area, all cyber, however we have been discussing, since she has it, now question how does one go about protecting ones pardner during sex when female has it, but no visible skin activity right now so other doesn't get it? Plastic wrap, rubbers??



Having tested positive for several strains HPV for which I have had several procedures and my tests have been clear for 2 years now thankfully - the best advice I can give is to be educated and decide based on the type of relationship you want to have with her.  For all you know, you may already have HPV of some sort and don't know it. 

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RE: HPV - 5/15/2008 7:42:43 PM   
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Just a sidenote to this thread, they had a big story on the news tonight regarding the Gardasil vaccine. Apparently they are having a lot of problems with it, although the manufacturer won't admit to it. Healthy little girls experiencing seizures, paralysis and even death within hours to weeks of receiving it.

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RE: HPV - 5/15/2008 7:47:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SeaDogret

Very interesting post's on this subject, needs to be brought up now and then as do all STD's. I have been chatting with a sub who has it, she is not in my area, all cyber, however we have been discussing, since she has it, now question how does one go about protecting ones pardner during sex when female has it, but no visible skin activity right now so other doesn't get it? Plastic wrap, rubbers??



Having tested positive for several strains HPV for which I have had several procedures and my tests have been clear for 2 years now thankfully - the best advice I can give is to be educated and decide based on the type of relationship you want to have with her.  For all you know, you may already have HPV of some sort and don't know it. 

Good Luck
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I dont think its really fair for a man to judge a woman on having HPV. they say 80% of all women have it by the age of 50.Its pretty benign most of the time ecept the strains that turn into cervicle dysplasia. Even then only 1/3rd of those turn into actual cancer and even then it is very slow growing and treatable and appears to be untransmitable once its cleared up. There is no way to know if a man has HPV unless he has the strain that shows visible warts. The women arent getting it by themselves. So if its 80% for women, what do yyou think it would be for men?

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RE: HPV - 5/15/2008 8:58:19 PM   
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This is why there should be no profit motive in pharmaceuticals.

Public health issues cannot be handled on the basis of who stands to profit from them. The decisions need to be predicated on evidence of efficacy of certain treatments weighed against their potential to do harm and also whether or not it serves a public good overall.


How can there be any Efficacy of treatment when pharmaceutical companies create mass hysteria about viruses that have been around through the centuries that large segments of the population have always caught and lived with quite well? Its a good thing they dont call the Herpes virus called chicken pox a transmittable STD. Eveyone over 30 has had it.

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RE: HPV - 5/15/2008 9:05:52 PM   
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Just a sidenote to this thread, they had a big story on the news tonight regarding the Gardasil vaccine. Apparently they are having a lot of problems with it, although the manufacturer won't admit to it. Healthy little girls experiencing seizures, paralysis and even death within hours to weeks of receiving it.


That is why i started the other thread about Gardisal:

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