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What think you of this New York "S&M Svengali"? - 2/16/2007 8:50:55 PM

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This article was sent to me on a vanilla mail list. I tried to quote just a few salient things, but the whole article is rather striking, from my viewpoint.

New York Daily News - http://www.nydailynews.com
No escape from S&M Svengali, she says
BY JOHN MARZULLI
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Wednesday, February 14th, 2007

A woman who says she was forced into sexual slavery took jurors on a
stomach-turning journey through her S&M hell yesterday, testifying
against the captor who called himself "God."

Jodi, a petite, 39-year-old from Wisconsin, testified that she was
powerless to escape the twisted control of defendant Glenn Marcus, a
sadomasochistic Svengali she met in 1998 on the Internet.

<Snip>

Speaking in a husky monotone, Jodi described the whippings,
mutilations and torture she said she received at the hands of Marcus,
who sold comic books and lived with his parents on Long Island.

Marcus also lorded over three other female slaves he
dubbed "Doggie," "Nameless" and "Robot, " Jodi said. But after Jodi
agreed to submit to Marcus' fantasies, she became his "ultimate
slave," the one he called "It," she said. He initiated Jodi by
shaving her head and branding the letter "G" on her buttocks, she
said.

He later carved "Slave" on her stomach, Jodi said.

<snippage for brevity>

In one attack, he burned Jodi with a cigarette all over her body,
including her genitals, she said. "I felt like I was literally in
hell. I felt like I was on fire and couldn't put it out," she said.

Jodi was afraid to complain to the other female "slaves" out of fear
they would tell Marcus and she would be punished further, she said.

Prosecutor Pamela Chen played a rambling 2005 phone conversation
recorded by Jodi in which Marcus conceded, "I don't know, maybe
there's something dreadfully wrong with me."

The defense is arguing that Marcus' relationships were consensual.

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RE: What think you of this New York "S&M Svengali&... - 2/19/2007 8:15:49 AM

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He lived with his parents AND kept four slaves? A bit suspicious.

For starters, I am gathering that this is civil suit, not a criminal trial. The link doesn't lead to an article.

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RE: What think you of this New York "S&M Svengali&... - 2/19/2007 8:57:41 AM

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A woman who says she was forced into sexual slavery took..

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime_file/story/497308p-419209c.html

And:
A woman who charges she was tortured by a Long Island pervert on trial for sex trafficking ...

http://www.nydailynews.com/02-15-2007/news/crime_file/story/497631p-419482c.html

And
A Long Island pervert who called himself God inflicted unspeakable acts of degradation ...

http://www.nydailynews.com/02-13-2007/news/story/496990p-418907c.html

I used to watch these people in aol chat rooms for years. I have to say though I found GM to be too extreme for my taste, the women who became his did nothing but praise him.
In the end when the issue became money for the website.

He is under investigation for a criminal charge, and civil litigation.
I think its been ongoing for 2 yrs now.
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RE: What think you of this New York "S&M Svengali&... - 2/19/2007 9:01:21 AM

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Dude. At first I thought it was a hurt sub striking out at her Dom, but this is mind boggling.

Hope it works out well for those involved that are the wronged parties.

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RE: What think you of this New York "S&M Svengali&... - 2/19/2007 1:15:20 PM

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quote:

The defense is arguing that Marcus' relationships were consensual.

They sure sounded consensual to me, when I was on AOL back then, and talked with GM and the girls (I liked them better) on a pretty regular basis. His humor was a little bit too wry for my taste, but I never had any problems with him. Wonder if near decade old chat logs would help his case.....

My bet is he walks.

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RE: What think you of this New York "S&M Svengali&... - 2/19/2007 3:04:19 PM

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I would bet he would love to see old chat logs. Though if he were smart he would have kept those for himself, just in case. It certainly did seem consenstual, in view of the way the three of them would jump to his defense when people accused him of living this only in his head. Or when they sat smugly smirking once people saw the site and saw the visual effects of playing with him.
I think what it will come down to is the fact that they did unpaid labor on his website (which was a pay site). That is probably some labor law violation.
Kyst

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quote:

The defense is arguing that Marcus' relationships were consensual.

Wonder if near decade old chat logs would help his case.....

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RE: What think you of this New York "S&M Svengali&... - 2/19/2007 3:22:05 PM

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That John Marzulli is a hoot...ie... "speaking in a husky monotone" and "a sadomasochistic svengali" and again, "who sold comic books and lived with his parents on Long Island". Classic..lol.

What concerns me is how was it forced if it was consensual. I mean I wouldn't agree to permanent markings and things, just not my thing. But...she gave consent to stay with him. It's not like she was in a locked cage 24/7. Apparently she was working on his website?

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RE: What think you of this New York "S&M Svengali&... - 2/19/2007 6:04:36 PM

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http://www.nypost.com/seven/02162007/news/regionalnews/hurt_so_good_regionalnews_stefanie_cohen.htm

From the testomony of the other women involved, its looking like this is another Oliver Jovanic situation

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RE: What think you of this New York "S&M Svengali&... - 3/11/2007 7:53:46 PM

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Ok, here is the follow up on that story.
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Mar05/0,4670,SampMonTrial,00.html
Convicted.
Kyst

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RE: What think you of this New York "S&M Svengali&... - 3/16/2007 8:37:58 PM

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Being a New Yorker I followed some of the articles. Can't resist a good train wreck!

She withdrew consent when she told him to remove photos of her from the net as she was applying to the NY school system for a teaching position. His response was to blackmail her, telling her not only that he was keeping the pics up but he would send the pics to the school board unless she talked her younger sister into joining as his next sub and having threeways.

At that point she saw a lawyer and rightfully.

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RE: What think you of this New York "S&M Svengali&... - 3/17/2007 5:03:21 AM

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Blackmail is breaking the law. The rest of what he did sounds like up to that point she went along with it.

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RE: What think you of this New York "S&M Svengali&... - 3/17/2007 7:55:01 AM

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Regardless of the truthfulness of the claims this should be a lesson to all of us that we are all just one word away from having cops show up on are door steps.

Dominants who claim to have total control over their submissives need to keep in mind that you do not -- should that slave decide to turn on you, this society will not support and at the very least you will have a long trial ahead of you.

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RE: What think you of this New York "S&M Svengali&... - 3/18/2007 10:04:32 PM

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ROFL I truly need to pay more attention to these things.

I always knew this guy as GMYourGod on AOL and always just called him GM. I didn't connect it to being "the Glenn Marcus" until just tonight.

We talked often on AOL back in 1998, as well as some phone conversations, and picked up some correspondence again in 2004. I also avidly followed the websites he had his slaves put up here and there.

But, what he wanted (and he made absolutely plain what he wanted) was not what I was going for and nothing happened beyond some good discussion.

My impression of him was always that he was an absolute genius as well as a sadistic bastard. While I could believe he manipulated a heck of a lot of people, I'm not sure I'd say he ever manipulated anyone who didn't want to be.

But these are only my own personal reflections. I have no evidence of anything, good or bad.

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RE: What think you of this New York "S&M Svengali&... - 3/20/2007 2:49:46 PM

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ORIGINAL: Missokyst

Ok, here is the follow up on that story.
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Mar05/0,4670,SampMonTrial,00.html
Convicted.
Kyst

Marcus was convicted on two counts, but acquitted on the third charge of obscenity. Here is Tristan Taormino's take on the conviction.

http://www.villagevoice.com/people/0712,taormino,76097,24.html

Basically, the girl named Jodi went to the Feds when Marcus refused, repeatedly refused to remove her pictures from his web site.

Dan

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RE: What think you of this New York "S&M Svengali&... - 3/20/2007 3:06:43 PM

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Well, well, another story which the public will see as representing "us". A "genius" living in his parent's basement...

Pity any pick up of this story in the rest of the country won't reflect what is in the Village Voice article. Instead it will be another basement dwelling abusing "loser" who will be associated with the lifestyle I choose to live. Yet reading the self loathing response to even the simplest of displays of dress it's no wonder our reputation is best associated with Jerry Springer during "sweeps week".

What can be done?

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RE: What think you of this New York "S&M Svengali&... - 3/20/2007 4:54:24 PM

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i think i once shoped in his comic book store 20 years ago in hewlett he had a goeogerous girlfriend brenda

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RE: What think you of this New York "S&M Svengali&... - 3/20/2007 10:04:27 PM

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Hello all...
I have been reading with some interest your posts
regarding Glenn Marcus. I DO know him, personally. I have met him in person, and was involved in a fully consensual submissive BDSM relationship with him since 2003. Of course, since recent events, contact has been somewhat altered. I know full well that he did not do anything against anyones will. However, I will address the issues of the photographs. I was on the site, so I know he had model release forms we signed. He had every legal right to use those images, and he was not legally required to take them down. Thats like a Playboy model regretting her posing years later, and then insisting all copies of the magazine be destroyed. But I'm not discussing the case further, as I really shouldnt.

Im discussing the conviction, what it means for the BDSM community, and why I feel Glenn Marcus needs our
support.

The statutes he was convicted under, forced labor and sex trafficking, seem to have been originally intended to apply to women and men (usually immigrants) who were smuggled into the nation and forced to labor in a variety of ways.
The women and men often are told they will be deported if they complain, and are often beaten, blackmailed, and threatened to get them to remain. The statute
was never meant to cover a BDSM relationship.

As for the allegations of abuse, I feel if the govt was REALLY after an abusive man (which Glenn is not), Glenn would have been charged with assault, aggravated assault, domestic violence, battery, and rape. But he was not. And the reason for that (at least my view of it) is explained below.

This is, as far as I know, the first time these statutes have been used in this way. As a result of this conviction, now almost anything can be "forced labor". I believe thats what the Government wants, an expansion of their powers.
The prosecutor stated in response to a jury question that if someone forced someone to play tiddlywinks, that could be forced labor. That certainly paves the way for the Government to prosecute ANY BDSM relationship, or any divorce where a woman (or a man) claims the other made them cook, wash dishes, do housework, etc. Certainly where someone is called a slave, the government will be more eager to say "see, it IS slave labor". The government will conviently ignore the fact its not actual slavery, but an aggreed upon structure by both parties.

This prosecution is a threat to BDSM. And whether you loathe Mr. Marcus or love him, he needs support or else we shall all suffer the effects of this horrid precedence setting case.
Sincerely,
meesekite

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RE: What think you of this New York "S&M Svengali&... - 3/22/2007 10:21:18 PM

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My only question is, is the NCSF getting involved?

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RE: What think you of this New York "S&M Svengali&... - 3/25/2007 11:26:48 AM

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Egads, I remember visiting doggies site and the whole GM thing. I remember her accounts of how he would not allow her to eat because he considered her too fat.

Then I look at the pic of him in the van and think that maybe he needed to look in the mirror if he considered her too fat and consider joining her in the diet.

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RE: What think you of this New York "S&M Svengali&... - 4/7/2007 2:42:32 PM

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I know that the women who were with him went through alot of ups and downs with him.
Their relationships tended to be mostly consensual but definately abusive!
Without disclosing things that have been shared with me by his former slaves, I can tell you for a fact that he did some things that I felt he should be punished for, but weren't necessarily illegal. For example, he had a caged slave who he starved for many days then weighed her, fed her a hamburger and told her that if it made he go up an ounce she wasn't eating again for a week. That kind of mental torture is horrid! I don't think there is a law against it, but perhaps there should be. The reality is that some people are interested in D/s because they crave power & get off on destroying others. Luckily, this is not always the case.

I remember him courting me back on AOL and thinking he was an asshole, but to others, they were attracted to his cockiness.
He had that cult leader persona down perfectly!

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