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MsTonizSlave -> Sedation (3/14/2005 9:15:22 PM)



Hello , i have been directed by Mistress to place this post looking for a way or place to purchase the supplies to sedate a local area on this slaves body or sedate the whole slave while Mistress brands me. She wants this done as to keep me from moving while she is doing the branding and messing it up. Mistress is looking for someone in the Phoenix area or a way to get it online. Please let her know if you have any links or sources for these items.


respectfully , MsTonizslave




enslavemeplease -> RE: Sedation (3/15/2005 6:20:55 PM)

what you seek is called lidocaine injectable. using a TB syringe, you would inject 0.5cc every 1/8th to 1/4th inch around the site She has chosen for you to be branded. when you can pinch the tissues with a hemostat and not feel pain, you are ready for Her. you will prob need to reinject every 20 to 30 minutes, if she does a slow brand.

your lucky. my Master chose the strike. i was tied down and the limb to be branded was held in place with a large wooden vice.He seemed to really enjoy putting the white hot iron to my flesh..i have a sweet brand so no complaints from me...... then again, He does have a very sadistic side to Him.lol




MsTonizSlave -> RE: Sedation (3/15/2005 9:36:00 PM)

Is this available with out a dr getting for me ? can i get it myself at a drug store or supply house?




enslavemeplease -> RE: Sedation (3/16/2005 1:24:42 AM)

sorry to say, you will need an Rx for it or find an e-net site you could buy it from.
good luck. be glad..be verry glad Your Mistress is letting you kill the pain of your brand.




BeachMystress -> RE: Sedation (3/19/2005 11:02:57 AM)


Lidocane injectable is a "REAL" medication. This is what they use for local anesthetic. Even if you could get it somewhere, I'd not use it without medical training. Perhaps you could get a KAP doctor to monitor for you (which will cost) or find a vet or ER nurse willing to help out. http://www.thedoctorslounge.net/pharmalounge/drugs/antiarrhythmic/class_i/lidocaine.htm




BeachMystress -> RE: Sedation (3/19/2005 11:05:52 AM)


*smiles* My sub, reading over my shoulder, just asked what a KAP doctor is.. KAP = Kink Aware Professionals. http://www.bannon.com/kap/ These are medical and legal professionals who understand the needs of the Kink community, usually because they are a part of it.




FangsNfeet -> RE: Sedation (3/19/2005 7:51:23 PM)

Lidocane for sedations? That's pretty risky considering it's either used for causing numbness in injected body parts or given as an IV medication for the heart to help it relax and stop Heart Attack Rythems.

I always go with Jose Quiervo Tequila Rose. It hasn't falied me yet.
But neither has Sweet Chocolte Flavored Red Wine.




MsTonizSlave -> RE: Sedation (3/19/2005 10:49:23 PM)

Well Mistress only wants to put me out to brand me , or at the least numb the area that she is going to brand. That way i do not move and screw it up .




MsSilvie -> RE: Sedation (3/20/2005 8:15:24 AM)

Ok, the very fact that you and your mistress don't seem to grasp the difference between "sedation" "general anesthesia" and "local anesthesia" really indicates to me that neither of you knows much about what you are doing. Sedation, the medical definition, isn't going to do much for pain. By the time someone has enough drugs in their body to count as general anesthesia, you need medical support. Does mistress have a lot of experience in keeping an airway open, and does she know how to run a ventilator? The drugs used for sedation, general and local anesthesia are not the same. Lidocaine, a common topical or local anesthesia is used as an injection in a vein to treat tachycardia. So it slows your heart down. Again, how experienced is your mistress in dealing with heart irregularities?

Considering you are asking for advice on an internet bdsm board, I'll assume further that your mistress has never done this before. Is she planning on strike branding? Cauterizing pen? Freeze branding? All of those are different, technique wise. And all of them have plenty that can go wrong.

Go find a body mod studio that has experience in branding. Shop around, look at the amount of experience and the portfolio of the artist. The least of my concerns would be that you "move and mess things up". Inexperience on the part of the brander is a recipe for messed up on it's own.




MsTonizSlave -> RE: Sedation (3/20/2005 9:03:30 PM)

MsSilvie,
Mistress is in the gathering information stage to see if she wants to do it her self or have it done. Mistress is concidering cold(freeze) branding or the use of a cauterizing pen. Mistress has my saftey and my health at heart and the top of her list, she does not want to damage me only perminatly mark me as her property that is why she wants to find out about everything she can before she puts her mark upon me left ass . We/She would be very thankfull of any help in this matter as she is doing a lot of research as well her self to make sure she is makeing a safe decision. Do you have any persons that Mistress could contact on this matter for learning or who have done this ?

Respectfully ,
Mistress Toni's slave




onceburned -> RE: Sedation (3/20/2005 10:03:40 PM)

MsTonizSlave,

I have zero experience with this, but have you read The Branding of kyphi?

Its a an account of one slave's branding and aftercare. It might give you something of an idea what lies ahead of you. Unfortunately, the faq that she mentions is no longer available online.




MsSilvie -> RE: Sedation (3/21/2005 12:32:46 AM)

I wouldn't have a branding done at home any more than I would grab a tattoo needle and do a tattoo at home. Mistakes I make would be carried around for life by someone else. More so in a branding. With ink, you have a chance to get a cover-up done. And the idea of someone deciding to sedate another person with out knowing what is involved give me the major heebie-jeebies. I'm not trying to be lippy, but it's not something you want to do at home.

Where have you and she seen brands that you like the looks of? Ask those folksies where they got them. Check around at tattoo studios in your area. Even if they don't perform branding there, many times, they can refer you to someone who does. If there are any lifestyle events, or body mod events in the area, plan to go. GET REFERENCES and ask to see a portfolio before you decide on someone. You might get some insight from BME. The site is not all free, but definately worth a look if you are considering any mods.




Craftsman -> RE: Sedation (6/15/2005 5:33:58 PM)

I did not realize this is an old thread, dead by most definitions --- won't erase my post, though, since it might, on an off chance, be informative to at least someone, somewhere.

Hello, A/all.

I am an ER trained nurse and a search and rescue EMT, and I can tell you without any reservation that using anything injectable is going to do some nasty stuff when exposed to branding heat.

You know what happens when liquid is heated, right? Anyone who does not needs a good look at the steam engine. Any additional liquid in the interstitial spaces will expand rapidly. Artificial edema such as is caused by injected lidocaine hydrochloride or similar local anesthetics could pose this kind of problem.

On the subject of edema, natural or otherwise. this condition distorts the branding field. This means that the branded area will change shape and contour as the lidocaine is absorbed. Another reason to not use it.

Lidocaine, if you hit a vein or artery, can cause some severe cardiovascular problems. We use it in cases of myocardial infarction, (heart attack due to lack of blood to the heart muscle) to help relax and get the heart back to a normal state. Also we use it prior to suturing wounds. It does puff the area a lot. Viscous lidocaine, such as is used for mouth pain, might have less of this kind of effect, but it is not well absorbed through the skin. (it is best on mucous membranes like inside the mouth for which it was designed.)

As to general sedation, or 'getting put out' for the procedure --- this kind of sedation is used inside a hospital where there are the proper facilities and teams to take care of any eventualities. Not even the best surgeon will put someone under without it being with a good anesthesiologist or anesthetist, under controlled conditions. On general sedation, 'being put under', ask your Dominant who would suggests this a simple question. "What defense will you use against the murder charge you are risking?" That question comes after, of course, the one the submissive must ask of self:"Just how tired of living am I these days?"

You can do what you want, for the most part. I can neither help nor hinder your explorations. I would advise against using pain killing most things, because it is all risky. Then again, parts of our liftestyle are risky. That's sometimes what makes it fun. Better to have the real risks small though--- I believe in being around in all ways considered to enjoy again the interactions tomorrow may bring.

Just my two pennies worth.

C/




boynicholas -> RE: Sedation (6/23/2005 7:09:47 PM)

Just a little more advice in addition to the above.

Lidocaine can indeed be potent when given intravenous, but depending on where you are injecting it, it is unlikely. That said, you'd probably be best off getting a little kinky professional help.

Another alternative is EMLA cream. Its a topical anesthetic that when applied for about 60 minutes gives near total local anesthesia. Like plain lidocaine, its not OTC. However, you couple probably get some form a doctor if you fessed up what you wanted it for (and he or she was kink friendly.) I've given people rx's for brands and for piercing, but I do make a point of snickering in a self-superior manner and mumbling something about being a wuss. ;)

The other issue though, is when that shit wears off, that is gonna HURT like an MF. If you go to a doc to get that (especially if he calls you a wuss,) you could play the wuss card and grovel for a couple of days of vicodin or percocet. Combining those with motrin or another oral non-steroidal (if you don't have problems taking those medicines) will increase the effect significantly (burns are by definition an inflammatory injury.)

If you can get, I would suggest taking one right after the brand rather than waiting for the EMLA to wear off.

Best,
Nick




MsTonizSlave -> RE: Sedation (6/26/2005 1:06:34 PM)

Just for all of your information!! I have found an experienced Brander
locally and he is going to be doing the branding. We were just
gathering information and seeing if anyone had any information that would be
of help. Thanks for all the input! No need to respond any further
about this issue if it is in regard to My slave and MYSELF!

Mistress Toni

__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Just a little more advice in addition to the above.

Lidocaine can indeed be potent when given intravenous, but depending on
where you are injecting it, it is unlikely. That said, you'd probably
be best off getting a little kinky professional help.

Another alternative is EMLA cream. Its a topical anesthetic that when
applied for about 60 minutes gives near total local anesthesia. Like
plain lidocaine, its not OTC. However, you couple probably get some form a
doctor if you fessed up what you wanted it for (and he or she was kink
friendly.) I've given people rx's for brands and for piercing, but I do
make a point of snickering in a self-superior manner and mumbling
something about being a wuss. ;)

The other issue though, is when that shit wears off, that is gonna HURT
like an MF. If you go to a doc to get that (especially if he calls you
a wuss,) you could play the wuss card and grovel for a couple of days
of vicodin or percocet. Combining those with motrin or another oral
non-steroidal (if you don't have problems taking those medicines) will
increase the effect significantly (burns are by definition an inflammatory
injury.)

If you can get, I would suggest taking one right after the brand rather
than waiting for the EMLA to wear off.

Best,
Nick




MsTonizSlave -> RE: Sedation (6/26/2005 1:07:39 PM)

To The Group:

That is a very old post. I have found someone who actually does brandings and body modifications locally. My slave and I were just seeing what our options were and finding out information before even considering doing any of them. Please disregard that post that was posted months ago.

Thank you,

Mistress Toni





BeachMystress -> RE: Sedation (6/27/2005 1:17:16 PM)


Even old msgs have merit when someone adds something of informational value to them. I read Craftsman's post twice. While the posts may no longer have value in the case of the OP, we often refer people to older threads when new questions arise. Plus, I appreciated the information personally.




MisPandora -> RE: Sedation (7/25/2005 3:10:41 AM)

Sorry, if the mistress had your interest in mind, she'd be gathering the information first hand, rather than having a slave who doesn't know either doing the leg work.

Consensual BDSM is all about being INFORMED and understanding the risks involved, not doing things blindly because someone else tells you to.

Speak with a body modification artist/piercist who specializes in branding. Megg Mass, co-owner of Infinite Body Piercing in Philadelphia is on the board of Professional Piercers and Body Mod Artists. She learned branding from Fakir in California. There are plenty of professional resources out there -- not just polling folks on an internet board to see what their theories are.




tinkJH -> RE: Sedation (7/29/2005 9:51:09 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MisPandora

Sorry, if the mistress had your interest in mind, she'd be gathering the information first hand, rather than having a slave who doesn't know either doing the leg work.





I realize this is an old thread - but, I wouldnt say that just because the slave did the search for into that the Mistress/Master doesn't have best interest in mind. I think that is an unfair statement.

There are many things I have gone and looked up and printed out for Master. One reason is I am pretty good at finding information and things on the web in half the time he doesn, that and if he knows it is something I am iffy on, or nervous about - he will have me do the research on it. This way I can know, exactly what it is I will be facing, dealing with and ect. A type of self reassurance outside of him. Then, I take the info I find to him - and he will discuss it with me, ask me what I learned and my feelings, ect.




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