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depression become a disability? - 2/17/2007 11:24:54 AM

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velvetears asked in another forum: When did depression become a disability? i would be curious to know why he takes on that label and if it disabled him why he would stop taking his meds?
There are many here who have genuine medical and or psycholigcal disabilities.
Depression CAN become a disability IMHO when you cease to be able to function in activities of daily living.
A persons OWN responsiblity to their disability would be questioned if a relationship evolves/developes around that person, IMHO.

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RE: depression become a disability? - 2/17/2007 11:45:17 AM

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I have seen people that, even with medication, couldn't maintain a FT job. In my state, that qualifies someone as being disabled.

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RE: depression become a disability? - 2/17/2007 12:03:08 PM

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That would be me, however I don't qualify which totally sucks (sorry to be crude but it SUCKS). It is information I do not hold back either, I don't feel it would be fair to 'spring' that on someone.

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RE: depression become a disability? - 2/17/2007 12:33:21 PM

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Dont beat me up but i personally dont even believe in 'depression' especially as a disability, yes true anything will qualify as a disability if you cannot maintain a job but who is to say you cant work because of your state of mind? Everyone alive has a different mindset, everyone has issues but in my mind lets not start making disabilities a HUGE grey area that everyone jumps on. Some physically disabled people hold down full time jobs and even criminals are made to work and you can argue you have to suffer from some form of mental disorder to commit a crime in this day and age! If you are that bad you are on suicide watch or you just cease to function (severe and if i believed in depression thats what i'd class it as) then fair enough you wont work cos you cant work but its hilarious over here in UK how people are so 'depressed' they can still collect their dole (welfare) money or disability beneft and buy cigarettes, alcohol, choose when to take meds or not, go outseide, eat, watch T.V. yet still cant work!? sorry...rant over...just my opinion.

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RE: depression become a disability? - 2/17/2007 12:54:40 PM

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It becomes a disability when you cease to be able to function normally even on medications and doing everything you can try to be functioning.

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RE: depression become a disability? - 2/18/2007 9:13:33 AM

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I won't beat you up lol, I just wholeheartedly disagree with you

. Honestly unless you've worked with, been one, or been around severely depressed people most of what you say is simply a laymans view. Depression isn't about being 'down' about stuff, it is about isolating yourself from everyone. It's about not eating because it simply doesn't matter if you feed or not, or bathing because it just doesn't matter because you go nowhere and see no one.
It is month after month & sometimes year after year of dealing with it.
Mine is intensified by the medication I need, yes I do know your views on that lol but I need them to have a functioning body. (read my profile so I needn't detail it all again pls pls).
I lost 100 pounds in one year. Food held no interest in me, nor did nutrition on even its most basic level.

Most of all I have to say that Depression is not something a person just 'gets over', especially when it is caused by a chemical imbalance. That is not a choice a person makes, it is the way their body is.
Someone said depression is either situational or chemical & I could not have said it better.

(in fact I'm stealing that line, yup.)

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RE: depression become a disability? - 2/18/2007 9:20:44 AM

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I dont have to read anymore than the last entry to say"yes" it is a disability. It hurts, or can ,hurt those around them. It is also very loney and painful for those around them.The person who once enjoyed your company is now distant.The person pulls physically andemotionally away from you and there is little you can do. And medications,,,from my experience, makes things sometimes more managable , but does not cure you. Your friends will start to pull away. Family will not involve you sometimes as much.Work can be affected and your chances for advancement . yeah I may be talking extremes here.And trust me, I have not spoken of taking their lives. But until you really experience it or are around someone who is trully disabled, you can't understand how it really is...

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RE: depression become a disability? - 2/18/2007 9:30:17 AM

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oh the pain/pressure that is felt, the distrotions that are felt around the eyes ears, the worthlessnness felt

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RE: depression become a disability? - 2/18/2007 9:31:09 AM

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Yup I forgot to add that part, that people do pull away. If depression lasts for a long time, one loses an awful lot of people just when they need them most.

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RE: depression become a disability? - 2/18/2007 10:32:27 AM

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I honestly feel that people who do not believe in depression/bi-polar/other mental diseases just have not been unfortunate enough to have either suffered them or have someone very close to them suffer them.

I also know people who work who suffer from depression etc who have no life other than that. They go to work, do what they must and then lead a totally empty existance outside of work. And you know what? they don't even enjoy the work either. Severe depression leads to a lack of enjoyment for anything. I know people who have tried everything from multiple medications, therapy to electro-shock therapy and still feel awful all the time. Actually it just makes me thankful that my problem does respond (mostly) to medication

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RE: depression become a disability? - 2/18/2007 10:34:40 AM

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http://www.latimes.com/features/health/la-he-evpsych12feb12,0,1620329,full.story?coll=la-home-health

I found this recently as it was just printed in the LA Times a few days ago, it wasn't hard to re-locate. As the topic is also currently active here I thought some of you might be interested in reading the article which looks at depression and the past believed reasons and causes for it, the current mind sets and what this area of mind exploration is showing people.
Depression doesn't "just happen" - It has causes, there are reasons and things behind it, and there are motivators driving that feeling of angst. Sometimes they are known and speaking of them seems assinine or would not be well recieved, sometimes the person suffering doesn't have the strength or will to speak on the matter, but there is always a reason for it - Depression isn't a "disease" it IS a state of DIS-EASE and it is fully 100% treatable, and preventable ... It is also - a survival mechanism rooted in dominance ... and submission ... and your place in social heirarchy; and comfort level in that place ... Please do read the article and do what YOU need to do for your own happiness. Don't worry about keeping others happy, becuase they will smile when YOU smile - Worry about your own happiness, your own position and lot in life, and your own tomorrow - and if you don't LIKE what you see - get out there and make some changes!!
Pain is only a part of life - not the whole of it, please allow yourself to find your smile - Of all the people out there who DO understand this ... I can honestly say it is NOT a "disease" it does NOT need to be "medicated" - and people DO need to start being far more honest with each other, with themselves and with their emotions. Don't protect them - and sacrifice yourself ... for one they won't appreciate the sacrifice, for two there is no honour in this and for three - you deserve better. So demand better, demand it of yourself first, and remember the road is never smooth, and even if it is paved it has potholes.

Signed; A lifelong friend and intimate bedmate of depression.
Suicide attempts: 14
Institutionalized for depression: over 6 mos
I know - I understand and ... it can be helped and stopped ;maybe not 100%, but hell 98% is quite liveable, and even normal!! Don't take their drugs - MAKE YOUR CHANGES!
And ... your friend, who is always here to listen, talk, and be of support - feel free to drop a line as required and desired.
XxoxX

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RE: depression become a disability? - 2/18/2007 11:22:09 AM

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I'm not going to 'quote' then add simply because it would be too long lol. This is a snippet from the article about ten paragraphs from the bottom.

"Rank theory," proposed by psychiatrist John Price, sees depression as an adaptation that originally caused losers to withdraw from conflict, avoid further aggression and accept their subordinate status.

It's a bit hard to take that article seriously. Nowhere was chemical imbalance brought up as cause, nor did it mention that depression is frequent among those that suffer from lifelong or serious medical issues.

There is more I would like to say concerning the article but I am curious to see other responses before I do.

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RE: depression become a disability? - 2/18/2007 11:28:44 AM

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I know all about depression as a disability, since my ex husband quit his job and filed for disability due to depression as soon as I filed for divorce.

Now I get to pay him spousal support.

No, I'm not bitter, lol. I'm not, really...I'm not. (cough)

Adding to clarify: I have suffered from severe depression in the past, resulting in suicide attempt, so I do not mean to make light of depression. I know what it is first hand. In my case I was able (no choice, actually) to maintain my job, although I did completely isolate myself from friends and family (partially at my husband's "encouragement" as he liked me that way). So, no offense to depression sufferers, as I have been there myself.

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RE: depression become a disability? - 2/18/2007 11:31:24 AM

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Did you read the article? I'm wondering what other people think about it.

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RE: depression become a disability? - 2/18/2007 11:32:29 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: cjenny

Did you read the article? I'm wondering what other people think about it.

Not yet, I was too busy overreacting to this thread, LOL.

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*thumps ownedgirlie on the back* Need heimliched?

Thanks! That helped!! I'll go read now....

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RE: depression become a disability? - 2/18/2007 11:47:35 AM

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I have a friend who collects disbility because of her depression.

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RE: depression become a disability? - 2/18/2007 2:13:18 PM

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Gee it was printed in a newspaper, therefore it must be true, right?

This article to me seemed a mishmash of lots of little snippet quotes woven together to support the premise of the article, which is that "depression is all in your head".

I don't think any of us would argue that some people suffer from situational depression or depression caused by incidents or events in their life that have not been dealt with, BUT that does not apply to all of us. For some people it is just a chemical thing. My depression when unchecked leads to my life being out of control, and me struggling with seemingly the simplest things. The thing is i can acknowledge it, see it, and still not be able to change it without medication that works for me.

Drugs are not for everyone, but they are appropriate for some and I don't think anyone should feel bad if they need them. Tell the diabetic they don't need their meds and they may feel better when they don't take them....but only until their body falls apart around them.

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RE: depression become a disability? - 2/19/2007 9:57:18 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: sexyone4you

I have seen people that, even with medication, couldn't maintain a FT job. In my state, that qualifies someone as being disabled.

In that case, i would think it has A LOT to do with how well one functions not just in that job but in life in general. Coping skills are definately diminished when one is depressed.

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RE: depression become a disability? - 2/19/2007 10:01:19 PM

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It is also - a survival mechanism rooted in dominance ... and submission ... and your place in social heirarchy; and comfort level in that place ...

mmmm .... have NEVER heard this.... will read the article and discuss this with my therapist.... i'd like to see if she agrees if there a connection between submission and depression

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RE: depression become a disability? - 2/22/2007 9:39:36 PM

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Everyone gets depressed at some point. Those that the depression lifts after a day or maybe several days cannot understand the depth of one who suffers from Chronic Major Depression. Depression can be a disability, it is often accompanied by anxiety disorder and that just adds to the whole mess.

You know... it is easy to prove a physical disability because it is tangible and fairly obvious, but begin to claim that you have a debilitating mental illness and people instantly think you are yanking someone's chain.

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